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Unreal Tournament 2003 @ GDC

by Steve Gibson, Mar 25, 2002 9:30am PST

Related Topics – Unreal Tournament 2003, CliffyB, GDC

So I got to check out the latest incarnation of Unreal Tournament while at GDC this past week. I promised Cliffy I'd put together a little compilation of impressions of what I saw. Keep in mind that I havent played Unreal Tournament in a real long time so I cant really use that as a base for comparison. Ok well, here you go:

Cool Stuff: - Physics is better than anything out there. watch guys tumble down stairs, knock things over and watch them interact with the environment. Neeto. - Player models are great. Seems like it's always the same standard space marine mecho-suit style for these games lately, but they had good ones! - World geometry actually more than 10 polys. UT kind of annoyed me in how low the poly counts appeared in the levels, looks good now. - Terrain was great stuff. About the same quality as Team Arena but with improved texturing. Not Cool Stuff: - I would whine about the weapons here I'm sure, but honestly that's something that takes hours to properly understand and judge. Dunno. - CliffyB's outfit was rather conservative and boring - Levels from what I saw seemed to focus a bit more on aim than positioning or strategy - Not enough visual feedback when I'm firing weapons or when I'm hitting enemies. Some had it great (Flack gun) but others... nothing I could see - I Didnt get to play the advanced bots, but the medium bots were morons Stuff I saw: - Cliffy wuss out of a Soul Calibur match with Robin Walker. What I thought: - Felt like a very solid follow-up to UT with an exceptional step forward in technology. For people who play games because they like to see purty stuff, this will be for you. For stuff like this I'm thinking wait for the demo to judge for yourself on if you actually like it. I can confirm that it looks great, and first impressions say it feels great.. which is more than can be said for a lot of games.

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I'm hoping that maybe they add a dodge button as an option for those who don't want to use double tapping...I'm not a big fan of the double tap method bacause I tend to tap on my movement keys to get precise movements or what have you, and a dodge button would be nice (basically you hold the button and double tap or whatever).

Mar 25, 2002 10:34pm PST

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Hey sTeve, how fast do you run around in the game...is it similar to the running speed in UT? I'm hoping they haven't slowed the game down. Also, someone told me that different characters have different running speeds and stuff, is this true? And if so is there a really fast character in there.

Mar 25, 2002 10:28pm PST

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Physics is better than anything out there. watch guys tumble down stairs, knock things over and watch them interact with the environment. Neeto

Was this just an engine demo though, or an actual demonstration of the Unreal Tournament 2003 ingame physics???

Huh?

Huh?

Mar 25, 2002 9:35am PST

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My problem with UT was the randomness. I mean a weapon that allows you to load up a bunch of grenades to be released at once is just begging for trouble. So is a weapon that'll kill anyone within a mile of its detonation (assuming you don't find cover, which you can't in some of the more open levels).

If I constantly play better than some other guy he shouldn't be able to kill me even once. If I however lose focus for a moment then it's ok. But the randomness of UT is just really frustrating for anyone but people who are used to being at the bottom of the pack with -1 frags.

Bottom line, a piss-poor player shouldn't be able to kill a good player because he's lucky.

Mar 25, 2002 11:26am PST

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physics as in seeing other people move maybe there when viewing it, im hoping the physics are better when you actually get hit, ie like feel like your getting hit. Ive noticed in the video they included some sort of strafe jumping, do i smell quake3 wannabe physics. Out of all the fps's quake 1 and quake 3 have the best physics when your moving, that does not me i like quake 1, but i do enjoy q3 alot.

Mar 25, 2002 1:37pm PST

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I hate to say it this, but it sounds like your complaints were mostly the Same Old Thing we've been hearing from the self-declared "hard-core" Quake community since the release of UT. And what was up with this parting shot "For people who play games because they like to see purty stuff, this will be for you." >:(

Mar 25, 2002 11:19am PST

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I have looked forward to inverse kinematics ("real" physics) in-game for years now. Finally! Graphics are just graphics. I wouldn't mind it if UT2003 looked like Counterstrike graphics-wise, cause its just graphics. Stripping the new physics engine out of it would make me cry though.

I'm looking forward to when I can push Vantage down a flight of stairs in-game :D

/ V

Mar 25, 2002 3:28pm PST

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- eh, it's not like UT2 is the first game with IK. and IK is just an animation method. The physics engine ... : anders

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Robin Walker kicks ass at Soul Calibur by the way, or at least he did a year ago. :)

Mar 25, 2002 11:05am PST

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"Physics is better than anything out there."

Um, Hitman is equally good from what I can tell. And it's over a year old now.

Mar 25, 2002 11:16am PST

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    - the new UT has ragdoll physics, and much better collision, so instead of the edge of your foot holding y... : Mugsy

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http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1583&p=12

looks like I'll only be able to pull down 85.6 fps at my preferred resolution :/ thought I'd get at least 100.

Mar 25, 2002 2:49pm PST

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Thanks for providing a brief synopsis Steve...any ideas on the spec of PC that the game was running on?

Cheers

Mar 25, 2002 9:48am PST

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your entire argument went to shit when you equated the rail gun with skill

Mar 25, 2002 12:02pm PST

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"is this the version that makes UT fun?"
-sorry, had to.

Mar 25, 2002 1:05pm PST

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- Why,of course it is hal9000!!!! : brutal

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Nice run down of the preview-game sTeve.This game is the only one that's not an id game I'm really looking forward too.

Mar 25, 2002 1:38pm PST

Nice run down of the preview-game sTeve.This game is the only one that's not an id game I'm really lookin... : brutal

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oh, one last question, I promise :) how was the lighting? anything particularly impressive?

Mar 25, 2002 12:01pm PST

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Steve do you think it can be used as a competitive game? (since q3 is just about dead my clan is looking for a new game)

Mar 25, 2002 9:55am PST

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Physics is better than anything out there. watch guys tumble down stairs, knock things over and watch them interact with the environment. Neeto.

GUESS YOU NEVER PLAYED HITMAN!
http://www.3dactionplanet.com/hitman47/features/articles/smut/images/09.jpg

or trespasser :p

Mar 25, 2002 10:37am PST

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Great now i am less the thrilled after reading that about UT'03/

Mar 25, 2002 9:40am PST

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Physics is better than anything out there. watch guys tumble down stairs, knock things over and watch them interact with the environment. Neeto.

Okay fine, but what are they going to do with it? If they use it on loose objects in the map where those objects can be manipulated by the players and actually effect gameplay, then I think it is great. If on the other hand, all it is going to do is make for different death animations, big deal. Of course, if it ships with an editor then it's all good anyways.

Mar 25, 2002 11:09am PST

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hey is this being used in unreal 2? same physics for single player?

Mar 25, 2002 12:07pm PST

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Steve, I hope they haven't improved the physics engine too much. You can still rocket jump in UT2k3, can't you?

-Rev.

Mar 25, 2002 11:37am PST

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one question I have is how much these wunder physics will improve gameplay? I mean, sure it's neat for death scenes and stuff but you have to wonder how much it actually adds to combat...

Mar 25, 2002 11:32am PST

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The comment that its more about aim than positioning & strategies is the first bit to come out about UT2k3 that I don't like. Thats mainly because I am an in close melee player and cant aim for shit. But I dont think Steve saw all the maps... some maps such as Deck in UT are more about aim, while others like Curse and some Euro maps(Turbine, Codex) are melee/spammy maps. And a map like Tempest seems to have a fair balance between the two aspects.

I am not a fan of spammy but I dont like wide open arena like maps either. UT had a great balance and I think/hope UT2k3 will also.

Mar 25, 2002 11:19am PST

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People said the same thing when UT was released Steve, Im a Q3 bum, but still, I don't want this Unreal to be lame... I'll hope for the best, even though... even though Im a Q3 bum... (sobbing)

Mar 25, 2002 11:07am PST

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"CliffyB's outfit was rather conservative and boring."

No giant gold chains? I'm disappointed.

-XxX

Mar 25, 2002 10:54am PST

"CliffyB's outfit was rather conservative and boring." No giant gold chains? I'm disappointed. -XxX... : intoxxxicated

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I saw the physics in teh movie that was released notlong ago, and it made me drool. I'm really looking forward to this release.

Mar 25, 2002 10:06am PST

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Saw it, spooged over it, loved it.

Mar 25, 2002 10:50am PST

Saw it, spooged over it, loved it. : Fred Garvin

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so what's the hardware requirements for this? i want 1024x768x32,4x AA enabled,all details high.

Mar 25, 2002 10:24am PST

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Do not be alarmed, this is just a test.

Mar 25, 2002 10:21am PST

Do not be alarmed, this is just a test. : dogrocket

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I could 0wn CliffyB at Soul Caliber.

Thanks!

Mar 25, 2002 9:54am PST

I could 0wn CliffyB at Soul Caliber. Thanks! : ZeBFFd00d

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They should just study the weapon feedback in any of the Quake games. The feedback in both Unreal games so far has left me unimpressed and dissapointed, as has just about every non-Quake FPS game(except for MoH:AA, which uses the Q3A engine). Man, we need more weapon feedback in games! More!

Mar 25, 2002 9:54am PST

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Im just looking forward to another great deathmatch game. It seems lately all FPS are focused on team multiplayer and thats great if you can get on a team that doesnt act like a bunch of morons...good luck..Ill go at it solo.

Mar 25, 2002 9:52am PST

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at this point anything is better than ra3map1...

Mar 25, 2002 9:52am PST

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Can you play as one of those crazy dancing skaarjiies?
Is it true that the melee weapon is one of those giant q-tip things?

Mar 25, 2002 9:51am PST

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Seems like it's always the same standard space marine mecho-suit style for these games lately

Lately? It's always been that way.I remember back when Steve saw Half-Life, and gave some concern that everybody would be running around DMing as some geeky scientist guy. "Give us a gruff marine soldier, please!"

Killing some guy dressed as an egghead in a cleansuit is still one of my guilty joys of Half-Life.

Mar 25, 2002 9:40am PST

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This next-gen (call it the Third Gen maybe) of FPS's is going to cause havoc with my social life and summer vacation plans. Damn the eyecandy, damn it all to hell!

Mar 25, 2002 9:33am PST

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im going to the shops now

Mar 25, 2002 9:31am PST

im going to the shops now : disembodied potato

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