More on BJames id Departure

You reach a point where money isn\'t the deciding factor in your life anymore. I don\'t know why he left, however, if he was unhappy for one reason or another.. it\'s best he left for his sake as well for Quake3. I wish him the best of luck in whatever he ends up doing.

After reading all the speculation, I see why shows like Jerry Springer and all those gossip shows are so popular. :/ He\'s gone.. end of story.

cheers
Embrionic Pete

GUYS

I expect Brandon to announce he\'s joining Epic and will create extra kick ass deathmatch levels for Unreal Tourney!! Just think how much the levels for UT will rock with him creating some of them!


Remember dudes-you\'ve heard it here first!!


UnrealMonsta

Hey Styopa, why don\'t you live your own life and let others live theirs? You sound more than a wee bit jealous to me, no offense intended.

>>>>>>
Pick up some hobbies that have been neglected? Yeah, that sounds real *deep*.

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He said music was one of his hobbies. Do you play an instrament? Can you really *feel* music? I can. I assure you, hobbies can be a deep experience, if you really understand them. You can\'t possibly understand that unless you\'ve experienced something like it...

Amen to that! Music is also a hobby and I agree with your p.o.v. that a seemingly \"pointless\" hobby for one person may be a passion for another.

For those who wanted to know, Brandon James (Killme) was hired because of his work on the Quake 1 partial conversion \"Zerstorer\", which kicked ass. He was hired out of the project before it was finished.

#26-Styopa:

The only thing that there really is in life is happiness, isn\'t there? What else is there, really?

Before you take mark that off as hedonism, there are a lot of forms of happiness, not just instantaneous gratification. I find happiness in other people\'s happiness, in making things right in the world, and ensuring the future of others. It\'s a very, very different kind of happiness than what you get when partying with your friends, but it is happiness.

>>he could have just said \"I don\'t want to talk about it. I left.\"

He COULD have... but that would have created billions of rumors and many people would think he\'s a grump. I don\'t think there really was any right answer, really... no matter what he answered, people would take it wrong.

>>Pick up some hobbies that have been neglected? Yeah, that sounds real *deep*.

He said music was one of his hobbies. Do you play an instrament? Can you really *feel* music? I can. I assure you, hobbies can be a deep experience, if you really understand them. You can\'t possibly understand that unless you\'ve experienced something like it...

I\'d be really interested to hear your comments...

Has anyone ever met someone from id during crunch time?
I remember meeting American McGee during Quake2\'s crunch
time and the guy looked like he hadn\'t slept in days or had been
tripping on acid for the past 12 hours. Either way, you could tell he
was burnt out. Working at id is not like a normal 9-5 job, those guys
bust their asses like no other. Now this is only speculation but I imagine
that KillMe couldn\'t handle it anymore and decided that taking a break
from the industry for a few months would be in his best interest. No
doubt he has money saved away too live off, I wouldn\'t be suprised
if he returns to the industry in a few months, the guy DOES have a lot
of talent and with id on his resume getting hired should be easy. I think
the big question here is whether id plans on replacing him and how much
his departure will impact Q3\'s developement cycle.

..and this is a reply to faust:
Congratulations. You\'ve re-invented hedonism.
Just like every self-centered 20-something throughout history who has believed that *their* personal happiness is the greatest possible good.
And, despite the source, here\'s a pretty good essay about it: http://www.knight.org/advent/cathen/07187a.htm

By the way, I DON\'T work in HR, but I\'ve fired my share of pissy 20-somethings that thought they were God\'s gift to the world and couldn\'t be bothered to knuckle down and work.
And I\'m sorry, but the answer \"I\'m taking this time off to see what I have inside of me.. what I truly want, what I look forward to.\" sounds like nothing more than simple, whiny petulance.
To OT\'s query, he could have just said \"I don\'t want to talk about it. I left.\" But no. Pick up some hobbies that have been neglected? Yeah, that sounds real *deep*.

Sorry pal, but pursuing \"happiness\" as the greatest possible good may look like a viable philosophy in your teens and twenties, but when you grow up, you might be surprised to realize there\'s more to life than YOUR pleasure.
Sheesh.
Look, *I* don\'t *know* specifically why he left. But the reasons he chose to give were lame. It would have been classier just to either spit it out, or keep his mouth totally shut.

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#20...
idiot...

For your information there are no \'O\'s in the website--they already are all zeros. Nya nya.

Oh, and the point of the website is not to be \'L337 B4BY!\'

Before you fail trying to impress the readers with a dumb post again maybe you should back up your mouth and actually go to the URL?

I pissed in your moms iced tea

#20...
idiot...

For your information there are no \'O\'s in the website--they already are all zeros. Nya nya.

Oh, and the point of the website is not to be \'L337 B4BY!\'

Before you fail trying to impress the readers with a dumb post again maybe you should back up your mouth and actually go to the URL?

I pissed in your moms iced tea

You people are hilarious with all your suspicions and such... Go sit down, relax, sip a cool one and then come back after reading all the facts.

You people are hilarious with all your suspicions and such... Go sit down, relax, sip a cool one and then come back after reading all the facts.

#15,

why not use \"6\"s instead of \"G\"s and maybe a zero instead of a \"O\" and make that URL THAT MUCH MORE L337 B4BY!

The only person who really knows is Killme and he ain\'t talking. The rest is just bs speculation.

*MAYBE* there was no other motive for leaving other than the reasons he gave before. Ya gotta love all these \'reasons\' people have come up with about why he left (i.e. he\'s lazy, doesn\'t like Graeme, Carmack\'s an a$$hole, blah, blah, blah) - coming from people who only know these people @ id thru the news pages - gimme a break...

What\'s up with people just up and leaving in the computer game industry? Every time somebody leaves in the game development industry its like they just decide to leave one day and their gone. In just about every other industry employees usually have to give a notice so preparations can be made to fill the gap. Man, I\'m in the wrong career.

Thats fuckin bullshit, stop saying that Quake 3 is screwed. Its still alive.
Its just that Carmack has to wake his fag ass up and start releasing all the shit for us to play with

The guy fucking worked at id Software. He could be working from 9am to 9pm--possibly more than that... Map making may sound simple when you do it for fun on your home PC--spend time with a girlfriend--say hi to moms and pops--but do you think that is what he is doing at id? You forget that he had more responsibilities than just map making... He was in charge of the development of sound effects and managing the new soundtrack being brought in. I highly doubt this is your simple 8 hour day at work--it probably is outside a 12 hour day of work. Try picking this up--say after American McGee left, and when Quake III started taking form... I can compare the \'hobbies\' situation--Imagine this...

If I made a lot of money I would be saving that shit up and stuffing it into a huge fucking pile. Then when I\'ve had my share of work and got enough to live off of without work for a year? Two years? Fucking right I\'d go play hermit and sit by myself and do all the music and hobbies I wanted to do.

Work is work. You who make your maps for fun don\'t work like Brandon worked at id Software. I\'m sure it came as a suprise to id...

He worked--He got paid--He bought stuff--He didn\'t have time to use the stuff he bought

Thats the way I see it. I hope he disappears for a couple months of development and re-emerges with some cool music.

Jeremiah Sypult
//WWW.G0D5G1F7.COM/

First of all, this is in response to styopa:

HR?...bahahahahah.

While you may find 20 somethings disgruntled, I think you are probably angry at yourself for decisions you\'ve made, and are now simply venting on someone whose made a choice to change his situation when he was not happy.

Life is too short to just \"stick things out\" if you are miserable at your job...and the technical job market today is sooo frickin\' hot that technical 20 somethings have the opportunity to search within
themselves and find the career that fits.

Just because you \"stuck with it through thick and thin\" in some crappy HR job soes not make Brandon disgruntled. I pondered getting into the game industry, but I realized that 16-20 hour days wouldnt make me happy, no matter how cool the job. Worry about your own life and career...and maybe think about that in your HR job...us 20 somethings want to be happy and enjoy life first...everything else is second.

-faust

1)why is everyone giving q3 the \"r.i.p.\"? Geez, he was a freaking LEVEL designer. I could be wrong, but I believe they were making pretty good levels before he showed up, and will after he\'s gone.
2)IMVHO, I have a lot of experience in the HR field, and Brandon\'s response smacks of \"disgruntled 20-something that didn\'t get the promotion or whatever that he wanted, and is pissed because he\'s being asked to work harder or was disciplined for something stupid.\" \'I\'ll never say anything about it\' indeed. This is NOT a mature adult leaving a position for a better opportunity. This is someone saying \"I don\'t want to play with you any more!\" and stomping off amidst broken crayons. Either he was asked to leave (in which case there\'d probably be an announcement unless it was really angry) or just quit because he felt he was just being put upon too much...whether that\'s a justifiable feeling is an open question that we\'ll never really know. But to reiterate a previous poster - to quit iD (iD!) to return to hobbies and to \"get by myself\" is, well, weak at best.

Brandon James decided to leave id to join the marvelous people from #clan_quake enterprises. You can visit their site at http://junior.apk.net/~hoserx/

This is crappy news indeed. I\'m sure Q3A will be once again delayed unless either

Carmack and the remaining team work 30hr days or

id software hires some new meat

can anyone say, Greame Devine??? It may not hit publicly till much much later, but c\'mon. In without a clue, PROJECT MANAGER overnight, core team feeling a little agitated....

Q3 will be awesome, all the retards who think that just because KillMe was an awesome DeathMatcher that now Q3 is lost without him is high on dogfood. Think of it this way, that makes many of us awesome map makers then right??? We\'re all great deathmatcherz too... please.

Watch and see if I\'m not right on the money with the Greame Devine prediction.... many toes have been stepped on.... shoot a line over to Hook and see what he thinks....

im gonna go play unrealtournament or something now. quake3 is dead in the water.

Wow. What a soap opera.

-Mom

BJ
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Like A BJ
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Hrm, maybe. I tend to think not. Hook as pretty much said he was just
sitting there and Verant was like \'here, come do your dream job\'. Very
few people would pass that up, no matter how good the current gig they
have is. As he so nicely put it \'Asking for the kind of control I wanted
at ID would be like telling Jordan to pass the ball more\'. One could argue there\'s perhaps some \'that fucking Carmack guy has his hands in everything\' mentality, but Hook is a pretty outspoken guy, I\'d think we\'d have got a hint of that somehow.


BJ on the other hand, I dunno. Wasn\'t he one of the few(only) doods they hired from his Q1 map making skillz being shown on the net?
Sometimes taking a great hobby and turning it into a full-on job really
breaks you, or at least burns you out on the hobby so much you\'re
just sick of it.


If there\'s really something more sinister involved, we\'ll hear about it, ID has proven someone always spills the beans. (Carmack about Romero, Steed(or was that Hook? back in the old days when they were total assholes in the plans etc. god, did that rock all ass) about American etc. (like my nested parenthetical statements? (no? oh well)))

One begins to think. Two employees within a month and a half leave. I know Hook had a pretty good reason to leave, but, now for undisclosed reasons another employee leaves. Methinks somthing may be wrong at iD.

One has to wonder if this has to do with finally just being overcome
with crunch time essentially.

Carmack has said multiple times that the \'technology\' for Q3a is done
and now it\'s just a matter of getting the designers to USE the newer
features. He also mentions that it\'s pretty obvious which maps are
newer, because they look alot better. (Better use of the engine etc)
One has to wonder if they were told \'ok, I know you guys are \'finished\'
with these maps, but you gotta go through and redo alot of them, so everything looks more or less consistent\', and BJ just decided that was
gonna eat into too much of his time.

16+ hour work days eventually wear a person down, some people can just
last longer.

That or he kept getting left out of the nightly oil wrestling matches.

-=Zakk

Brandon James fucked off too much. Thats why he was given the boot. Can you think of any other reason why there wont be a press release or why he wont even comment on the firing?

Its good to see that the majority of 20-something mentalities isn\'t tolerated everywhere. Money does funny things to those \'hardcore\' few out there.

Any goof that throws away a job with the world\'s leading FPS design team so that he can \"get by myself, to pick up hobbies (music, gaming, etc) that I had put aside for far too long\" is a retard. Plain and simple. Bar none. Period. We\'re talking about a career that most any right-minded gamer/developer/fanboy in existence would envy.

Hope the music and gaming pays the bills there Brandon.

sCary, you the man! thanks for p1mping my interview.

quake3 is screwed. brandon was the only guy left there who could DM worth a shit.