On Q2 Source

wtf like anyone even plays q2 online anymore

/me waits patiently for a Quake II port on his DREAMCAST

As far as I know, Carmack isn't referring to Heretic2 as the "old game", as the release of the Q2 source yesterday came as a surprise to us. We haven't discussed when/if releasing the Heretic2 source is appropriate yet.

I'm thinking the game is oldschool wolfenstein.

Quake 2 owned me for a year. The levels, weapons, enemies, sounds, control..everything just felt right. Never really had much feeling for Quake. Quake 3 was pretty, but the levels and weapons just didn't excite me. Q2 felt like it was someplace with semi-realistic weapons in a semi-realistic world. I know Q3 wasn't designed with that is mind, but it's levels just felt too clean and random. When Q2 came out I loved just hopping into multiplayer and just wandering around the levels. They were just beautiful.

I have never understood why so many people have such hostility for such an incredible game. When you mention DOOM or Quake everyone gets all nostalgic and teary eyed. From a technical standpoint they were incredible, but when those games came out I would still look over at the consoles and think they simply have better graphics. When Quake 2 came out it was the most impressive looking game and the most technically impressive game on the market to ME. It was like the graphics and the technology finally peaked together. With the multiplayer it created an experience that you simply could not duplicate on the Playstation.

I know people are always gonna b*tch and moan about the speed or the rocket launcher or whatever, but to me Quake 2 will always be home.

Well, Keen is probably the other game that's gonna get released, considering basically everything but Q3 has been released, and that's not gonna happen.

just so ppl know, releasing the source code can be good or bad(depends on the how the community reacts). qw is going very strong in europe(i'd say over 1000 hardcore players easy), and it's not very active in north america(couple hundred hardcore players at the very best), but there are new qw clients coming out with stronger anti-cheat protection(yes, qw is still being worked on and improved!). the main thing that killed qw online was ppl spreading malicious lies, and paranoia that everyone is cheating(sorta like how cs is now), and the source code being released was the kiss of death.

it wasn't, but some idiots sure thought it was, and their lies hurt more than the actual cheats made from the source code. in the short term qw got hurt by the source being released but in the long run it'll be far better off. more old schoolers come back each day, if only at a trickle so far but qw is building back up again if slowly. releasing the source code hurt(especially in na since the scene was split 50%/50% nq/qw already, where europe 99% of ppl play qw so it wasn't a big deal). netquake had no 3rd party proxies that help w/ anti-cheating protection while quakeworld did.

i know quake2 has proxies. if those have good anti-cheat protection i imagine it won't be too bad unless the proxies released their source too. it'd be sad if a bunch of idiots running around screaming "cheaters", "we know you cheat because the source code was released", and "quake2 is full of cheaters now since the source code was released" hurt the q2 community.

i've played quake2 rocket arena every day for over 3 years now. a total of 4 years, but not every day. it's a part of my diet, like lunch and dinner. some days only 15 minutes, other days 4 hours. It depends.

Anyways, i'm not worried about hackers after this source release. the server where i play (Hal9000's match server) is stocked day in day out with the same people. I pretty much know everyone who plays there, and i have for quite some time.

It's a nice, competative place to play. Also it has some pretty good cheat protection going (qadmin 1.24 i think) - which stops most of the cheats out now.

I'm sure more cheat will come out, but then again that's what p_kick is for.

q2ra has a great community. it still will. I'm positive that releasing the source is a good thing, and when you think about the cheating issue you'll realize that it's not as bad as it seems.

Happy gaming

I thank God every day for John Carmack.

The "other" source is probably from the orignal wolf3d.

OMG!!
ITS DAIKATANA!!!

Whoever thinks the source is stupid, pointless, late, ... STUFF IT. Don't download it, ok ? You're obviously not the targeted audience.
Show me another company that makes their source public like that, I think this is awesome especially for people who want to learn some stuff from it.

first hoorj!