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Quake Turns Five

by Maarten Goldstein, Jun 22, 2001 6:28am PDT

Related Topics – Quake, id software, John Romero

Today is a big anniverary for Quake 1. It has been 5 years already since the shareware version of the game was released by id Software. Over at Methos Quake they have a pretty good overview of what all happened in 1996 and they also have interviews with John Romero and Tim Willits.

Methos: Since games tend to evolve as they are being designed. What was the Quake team's original thoughts on what Quake should or would be like when it was finished? How close was it to the final product? Romero: Quake's design was VERY different from the game that was released. It was much more of a D&D-based game with a main character named Quake who had an awesome hammer that would grow in power as the game progressed. At one point in November 1995, we decided to change the design to something we were more comfortable creating -- FPS weapons with a few twists. After the major redesign, the game underwent a few more smaller redesigns (to cut down development time) and we released the Quake that everyone knows today. Willits: The original game started out more fantasy based, less science fiction. There was going to be no gun type weapons. The player would have had a mighty hammer that they could enchant with powers as they progressed in the game. The game's intention was to be a real slugfest with the player bashing their foes to death. Luckily we changed that and went with more Doom style weaponry. ...

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"While Quake wasn't the first true 3D game (I think Descent was), it was the first true 3D first person shooter. "

Nope, it actually wasn't.

Nobobdy seems to remember Terminator: Future Shock. It was actually pretty cool. Anyone know the exact release date of it?

Jun 23, 2001 4:24pm PDT

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"The idea of having the ogres laugh and piss on your corpse (not enough time to implement)"

I laughed my ass off when I read that. Hehe, that would have ruled.

Jun 22, 2001 4:22pm PDT

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- THAT WOULD HAVE 0WN3D!!! : LOD-Glock

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Wonder how GLQuake performs on a 1.7GHz P4 with a Geforce 3...

Jun 22, 2001 6:30am PDT

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with a main character named Hiro Quake who had an awesome sword hammer that would grow in power as the game progressed.

DiakaQuake?!?

Jun 22, 2001 9:06am PDT

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- The weapon growing more powerful over time thing that the Diakatana sword had was a good idea but badly ... : TheDreamDragon
- you should see the DOOM original design ideas then! : Gods Kitchen

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"Barrysworld gaming servers in England, beta test a mega-server and try to get 100 players on a Q2 map at the same time on June 20th, 1998. They can only get to 63 before the server crashes. When you think about how many are allowed on most servers (12-24), 63 is a fairly impressive total."

I was there. Too bad the server couldn't take it. :/ Would have been cool to have had a 100 player game on those 64 player maps.

They should try it again...

Jun 22, 2001 3:17pm PDT

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- I used to play one-on-one matches in Sewer64. Those were fun. : jednet
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"John Carmack and Bill Gates argue over the benefits of OpenGL vs D3D on Feb 15th, 1997 "

I know in the past john has stated that he disklikes d3d, but I don't recall him and bill actually ever arguing.....

Jun 22, 2001 1:20pm PDT

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Quake related....Ok...so now that Anochronox is done....should we expect Carmack to release the Quake 2 source code since all q2 games are done?

Jun 22, 2001 8:42am PDT

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- He'll prolly give em a couple months, just to be sure there isn't any problems. : Liquid
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    - <best keanu reeves voice> woah. thx for the info :) : mandolin

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Finally, an anniversary I can actually feel nostalgic about! :) In terms of the FPS timeline, I entered the scene with quake (got into gaming earlier with Warcraft2, but that's besides the point). I remember Kali games...MPlayer games...modem games...buying my Diamond Monster3d (because of quake) and returning it for a Canopus.

Hell, I remember trading my Dark Forces cd for my friend's Quake cd. The DF cd got lost, while the quake cd got passed around for months.

Jun 22, 2001 8:35am PDT

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  Kali kicked ass. I still play war2+SC there regularly. Haven't played duke3d in a while, though. : BLulight
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One question, who's idea was it to castrate the SSG...I mean people talk about the Q2 RL being horrible, but the Q1 SSG was much much worse for DOOM2 players coming over. I remember that was the one thing that always drove me nuts about Q1...the make the SG into a glorified pistol and make the SSG weaker than a *real* SG. It was a good game though, but man that drove me nuts.

Jun 22, 2001 4:30pm PDT

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I still remember id talking about Quake. Talking about coming out of a cave into a huge open world, having only a few choice battles with very smart AI rather than hordes of idiots, and the hammer of course... I believe it was Romero who in one interview gave a detailed description of a battle, hammer on hammer.

Then it came out and it was Doom in 3D. Not that being Doom in 3D was a bad thing. I remember playing the first DM level tech test. It was wild looking down through the hole in the floor. "Hey! They have levels over levels!" It was pretty cool at the time.

Jun 22, 2001 3:38pm PDT

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    - hehehe, damn, missed that! :/ : BLulight

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heh... See how close we were to having Daikatana instead of Quake?

Jun 22, 2001 8:01am PDT

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i remember finding a preview for quake in commander keen when i was, like, 5.. it sounded like an rpg, and they called it "Quake: The Fight For Justice". they also said "The Fight For Justice will be the greatest PC home computer game ever!"

i emailed id about it after Quake first came out, and the guy who replied said he had absolutely no idea what i was talking about, other than quake being the best game ever.

Jun 22, 2001 10:28am PDT

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- The guy was probably too young (Amrican MaGee??) to remember that. I saw that, too. Ever send in a... : RatBastard

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I suppose Quake can't take all the credit for the other FPS games, a lot of the credit must go to Wolfenstein and Doom. As we know, Quake wouldn't be around if it weren't for those two games.

Everyone always forgets ROTT.

Jun 22, 2001 7:44am PDT

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100!

Still bored! :)

Jun 22, 2001 2:28pm PDT

100! Still bored! :) : bored@work

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Doesn't matter how many times I hear Romero relive his glory days, it never gets old.....cough.

BTW, i hope everyone realizes we're in the great depression of gaming right now. No big games are scheduled to be released for the next few months, and there hasn't been a big game released in a LONG FUCKING TIME. Sure, we'll get Halo, Max Payne, Duke, etc in the near future, but we're in the middle of a fucking dry spell. I mean, look at today's news for example...lots of small shit.

Jun 22, 2001 8:01am PDT

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Ahh, i remember the first time I had heard of quake. I remember downloading the demo. I remember being very unhappy that my computer wouldn't run it at a decent speed at resolutions about 512x384! I remember all of this and it brings back a smile on my face.

Thanks id! =)

Jun 22, 2001 8:26am PDT

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The axe made a good grappling hook, although I must admit a hammer would have done as well.

Jun 22, 2001 7:04am PDT

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Boooo! The links to sCary q1 demos on 3dshack are all broken!

Jun 22, 2001 10:40am PDT

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Boooo! The links to sCary q1 demos on 3dshack are all broken! : lbsn
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- Yeah for like the last year and half :) : mc-fine

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I keep meaning to bring DOOM II, Quake 1 and Quake 2 to work so I can waste even more time here than I already do.

Jun 22, 2001 10:06am PDT

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that methos quake site is the biggest POS fanboy site EVAR!!!!! so much of the stuff he says is just plain wrong!!! he would have us believe that quake is reponsible for the growth of the internet since 1996

Jun 22, 2001 6:56am PDT

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first maybe

Jun 22, 2001 6:29am PDT

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Wow, columbine was almost a hammer attack. Sorry, I felt like trolling.

Jun 22, 2001 8:10am PDT

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- Here's a response French clothing maker guy! : KinetiK
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It seems Mr.Romero isn't very creative, taking a 6 year old idea and throughing it at us. sigh.

Jun 22, 2001 9:29am PDT

It seems Mr.Romero isn't very creative, taking a 6 year old idea and throughing it at us. sigh. : tension

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SO QUAKE IS GOING TO KINDERGARTEN? YAY!

Jun 22, 2001 9:14am PDT

SO QUAKE IS GOING TO KINDERGARTEN? YAY! : firebone

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Damn, I was thinking about the video cards I got for Quake itself. Intergraph Reactor (later renamed Intense3D, Rendition Verite chipset), Orchid Righteous 3D (first Voodoo!).... damn, good times. I ended up getting the Voodoo a lot sooner than I thought I would because QW didn't work so hot with a Verite (no acceleration!).

Damn, those were the days.

Jun 22, 2001 8:51am PDT

Damn, I was thinking about the video cards I got for Quake itself. Intergraph Reactor (later renamed Inte... : Watts

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I remember going to The Good Guys because we had to fix our Pentium 75MHz computer...and they had Quake 1 installed in one of their showroom computers. That was the first time I played a game like that where you shoot around people. Man I was so scared when I played it. I never bought Quake 1, instead I bought DOOM 2.

mofo.

Jun 22, 2001 8:45am PDT

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The first time I played Quake was October 30, 1996. I went to to store, bought the shareware CD, brought it hope, and played the first episode in a dark room all night.

and then I cracked it and played the full version ;)

Jun 22, 2001 8:41am PDT

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Wow, Quake is five years old. Seems like only yesterday.

*sniff sniff*

Damn contacts are making my eyes water!!

Jun 22, 2001 8:07am PDT

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HAPPY BIRTHDAY QUAKE!

Jun 22, 2001 7:56am PDT

HAPPY BIRTHDAY QUAKE! : excessus

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The article was a pretty good read, it certainly brought back lots of memories.

Jun 22, 2001 7:49am PDT

The article was a pretty good read, it certainly brought back lots of memories. : Quagmire

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I don't see the link to the interview.

Jun 22, 2001 6:36am PDT

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- hmm. The shack reported it before it even hit the site :-). : xvdl

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hahahahah

3DRealms announces they are working on Duke Nukem Forever on April 29th, 1997. It still hasn't been released after 4 years. Hey, that's not Quake, how did that get in here!

Jun 22, 2001 6:52am PDT

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Maybe someone can recreate the original hammer-smashin concept!

Jun 22, 2001 6:48am PDT

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hooray for quake1

Jun 22, 2001 7:01am PDT

hooray for quake1 : Polish Sausage

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Internet Sites: Wow, where do I start with this one. Literally thousands of Quake news and fan sites have been around since Quake started. Obviously, all of the Quake related sites and nearly all gaming related sites were started because of Quake. Yes, there were other gaming sites prior to Quake but, not many. Sites like Bluesnews, Shugashack, Gamers, Fragzone and PlanetQuake are a few of the huge sites that people like Steve "sCary" Gibson and Dennis "Thresh" Fong make a lot of money from.

sadly incorrect it would seem >:(

Jun 22, 2001 6:42am PDT

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...having to chop a major chunk off of E2M6 because the BSP file was too large...

Heh, that was a pretty big map, though I'd love to see the rest of it. Maybe they saved it somewhere.

Jun 22, 2001 6:44am PDT

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Whar si our forst post!?!?

Jun 22, 2001 6:43am PDT

Whar si our forst post!?!? : Odoyle

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Wow Methos is alive! He isn't kidding when he talked about people dropping out of school or losing their jobs because of Quake. I can't imagine how many hours I spent on this game staying up until the wee hours of the morning just playing Quake. Quake will ALWAYS hold a special place in my heart. I still get nostalgic when I go back and visit some of the old Quake sites that don't get updated anymore.

Jun 22, 2001 6:42am PDT

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w00000.. happy birthday... and maarten, PLEASE POST the fucking werd/first post FIRST? kind of like it was orginally intended.... i have better chances at getting first!! heh

Jun 22, 2001 6:37am PDT

w00000.. happy birthday... and maarten, PLEASE POST the fucking werd/first post FIRST? kind of like it w : Jerry C

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wow, i was just playing quake single player..

i did the first 2 maps of episode 4... and got bored since i've played it so many times

Jun 22, 2001 6:35am PDT

wow, i was just playing quake single player.. i did the first 2 maps of episode 4... and got bored sin... : Torias

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