Watch the Nintendo NX reveal trailer here

Nintendo will pull back the curtain at 10:00 am Eastern / 7:00 am Pacific.

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After years of speculation, Nintendo will finally pull back the curtain to reveal its forthcoming home console, codenamed "NX," at 10:00 am Eastern / 7:00 am Pacific.

A reveal it will be, but more along the lines of a peek rather than full disclosure. Nintendo's Japanese Twitter account clarified that the trailer will run three minutes. Even so, that's more than enough time to whet our appetites by clarifying salient details: an official name, the console's functionality--more than likely a console/handheld hybrid as all but confirmed by numerous reports from insiders--and (heavily scripted) glimpses of games running on the hardware.

Of course, Nintendo didn't orchestrate today's sneak peek out of the goodness of its heart: it's gearing up for an investors meeting next week, and the money men and women want "the Big N" to concretize its plans for fiscal year 2018.

What will the NX actually be called? Will it be an all-in-one console and handheld, and if so, will that be its only gimmick? Find out later this morning!

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David L. Craddock writes fiction, nonfiction, and grocery lists. He is the author of the Stay Awhile and Listen series, and the Gairden Chronicles series of fantasy novels for young adults. Outside of writing, he enjoys playing Mario, Zelda, and Dark Souls games, and will be happy to discuss at length the myriad reasons why Dark Souls 2 is the best in the series. Follow him online at davidlcraddock.com and @davidlcraddock.

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    October 20, 2016 6:53 AM

    David Craddock posted a new article, Watch the Nintendo NX reveal trailer here

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      October 20, 2016 6:54 AM

      It's a beefy gameboy

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      October 20, 2016 6:59 AM

      Link to the stream? Or is it just going to be on Youtube?

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      October 20, 2016 7:00 AM

      It's up https://youtu.be/f5uik5fgIaI

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      October 20, 2016 7:03 AM

      Worst fucking name ever jesus christ.

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        October 20, 2016 7:04 AM

        Also lol @ the in-game framerate in this teaser being trash. Really bodes well.

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          October 20, 2016 7:13 AM

          Yeah, is there extra hardware in the dock? They showed the frame rate tanking in portable mode

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          October 20, 2016 7:29 AM

          The framerate looked bad in portable mode for the Zelda game but it looked fine to me for all the others. And my guess is that the games like Splatoon are basically Wii U ports. It makes sense to me that the game that's not done might have optimization issues but yeah, might have been better if they had done something else there.

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        October 20, 2016 7:05 AM

        Way better than Wii.

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          October 20, 2016 7:06 AM

          It's not even a unique name! It's just a common word!

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            October 20, 2016 7:06 AM

            I mean to be clear this looks incredible and it's a day one purchase, but fuck is nintendo bad at names.

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            October 20, 2016 7:10 AM

            so was play station & x box... what's your deal?

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              October 20, 2016 7:11 AM

              and yeah, I'm breaking apart names that are marketed as one word.

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              October 20, 2016 7:14 AM

              Playstation and Xbox are not common words, they are unusual and easily recognizable brand names.

              It's like if the next playstation was called the Sony Soap. It's stupid.

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                October 20, 2016 8:36 AM

                Be careful what you wish for. What if the next playstation was called the Sony Toothbrush? With marketing being all "shock and next gen" you never know ...

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                October 20, 2016 9:03 AM

                Or you have something like Windows, which is as mundane a word as you can get. It works as a product name, people know what it is, and it hints at the functionality of the product just like this Nintendo name.

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                  October 20, 2016 9:08 AM

                  Are you still on this???

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                    October 20, 2016 9:18 AM

                    What are you talking about? That I suggested the same thing in multiple subthreads?

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                      October 20, 2016 9:19 AM

                      Just joking about how we've all moved on to other subthreads :)

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                        October 20, 2016 9:28 AM

                        Just like me, living hours in the past.

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            October 20, 2016 7:14 AM

            Brand + common word is a very common thing and seems to work fine.

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              October 20, 2016 7:17 AM

              With the problems the name caused for nintendo last time around, you would think they could be more creative.

              Either way I agree, they finally got away from the godawful Wii name.

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                October 20, 2016 7:22 AM

                That's likely the whole reason they went with something common.

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                October 20, 2016 7:34 AM

                Compared to Wii, then Wii U, then fucking New 3DS, this name is a total breath of fresh air. There will be no confusion, and it even speaks to the functionality of it.

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            October 20, 2016 7:17 AM

            Makes me think of a switchblade, of a switch stick.

            Dont make me get a switch?!

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            October 20, 2016 7:20 AM

            I was hoping for something like Nintendo Zorggelflap

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          October 20, 2016 7:16 AM

          No way, nothing will beat the wtf of the Wii and WiiU name. Switch isn't half bad.

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            October 20, 2016 7:17 AM

            Whoops, meant to reply to JohnnyRey.

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            October 20, 2016 7:27 AM

            Wii proved a name isn't that important because it was the best seller of that generation.

            Wii U proved a name is important because no one got that this was the "Wii 2" and thought it was some weird side thing and it was the worst seller of this generation.

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        October 20, 2016 7:08 AM

        Honestly they should have just stuck with the code name.

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          October 20, 2016 7:09 AM

          Yeah, NX is way, way better. Maybe switch in Japanese is some cool word?

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            October 20, 2016 7:35 AM

            Lol, nope. "suitchi" (sweeCHI)

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            October 20, 2016 7:35 AM

            Switch kind of covers what you can do with it. But I feel like having a code name and an different name are dumb at this point. They could have called it a switch from the outset and just built brand recognition or left it the NX and continued to build on the pre-existing hype.

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            October 20, 2016 8:34 AM

            The codename wasn't evocative of anything. "Switch" is.

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        October 20, 2016 7:09 AM

        Side jack: let's coin it! NSwitch? NS?

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        October 20, 2016 7:09 AM

        Way better than Wii. Or Wii-U.

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        October 20, 2016 7:13 AM

        This name is perfect compared to the fucking WII.

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        October 20, 2016 7:19 AM

        I'm surprised at a negative post coming from you...

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          October 20, 2016 7:20 AM

          Lol shut the fuck up. This thing is incredible in every other way.

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            October 20, 2016 7:25 AM

            Oh I'm just yanking your chain man.

            The name's growing on me, what would you have called it? Bonus points if it's not "NX"

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              October 20, 2016 7:30 AM

              Lol good question, I'd have to think about it.

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            October 20, 2016 8:00 AM

            talk about the other stuff, then.

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        October 20, 2016 7:20 AM

        Yeah, they should Switch it for something else

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        October 20, 2016 7:20 AM

        It's not terrible and it's not confusing. It's better than Wii or Wii U. Not as good as Gamecube.

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          October 20, 2016 7:22 AM

          Missed a great moment to call this the GameSquare or "GameCube* 2 *Note: Not a cube"

          These are jokes. I have jokes.

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        October 20, 2016 7:20 AM

        It's fine. I don't love it, but I don't hate it. I liked NX, but whatever. I'll just call this NS like everyone else.

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        October 20, 2016 7:21 AM

        I think it's solid honestly. Makes sense based on the product, not sure about the logo though.

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          October 20, 2016 7:23 AM

          I like the logo, it tells the story of what this thing is.

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        October 20, 2016 7:57 AM

        guess there has to be something for you to complain about

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        October 20, 2016 8:14 AM

        Xbox is worse.

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        October 20, 2016 8:45 AM

        Switch is good. It subliminally suggests you switch from the other brands and types of systems to Nintendo.

        It's also catchy in that same way as "whip", "gear", "beats", "swag", kind of teenage urban.

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        October 20, 2016 9:40 AM

        I hate it too

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        October 20, 2016 12:55 PM

        nah, it's not that bad. xbox one...that was pretty bad because it confused the fuck out of people. Wii and Wii U were both pretty bad. I welcome the Switch. Switch on. Switch off. The Switcher.

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        October 20, 2016 2:14 PM

        I think naming the third Xbox, "Xbox One" was way worse. What do I know?

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      October 20, 2016 7:03 AM

      Instant purchase if the price is right

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        October 20, 2016 7:04 AM

        The reveal trailer sold me. I imagine playing and then my wife or someone wants to use the TV... I can just finish up portable mode. Very cool

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          October 20, 2016 7:07 AM

          Also combined Nintendo platforms mean you get every game they release with one device

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          October 20, 2016 7:09 AM

          Yeah, it seems compatible with how I tried (and failed) to use Vita Remote Play

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          October 20, 2016 7:13 AM

          You can do that with the Wii U

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            October 20, 2016 7:18 AM

            I was going to say, right now this is Wii U 2 unless you want to carry around a bigger DS to play on the go.

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            October 20, 2016 7:22 AM

            Can't you play non-VR PS4 games on the PSVR in some theater mode?

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              October 20, 2016 7:25 AM

              Uh...maybe? IS THIS REALLY THE THREAD FOR THOSE KINDS OF QUESTIONS

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            October 20, 2016 9:11 AM

            If you want to sit right next to it. Isn't the streaming stuff pretty crappy if you go outside the room that the base is in?

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          October 20, 2016 9:35 AM

          A Pokemon game to finish out Sun and Moon pair would be awesome.

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          October 20, 2016 10:08 AM

          Being able to grab it and play stuff at a friends house is what I'm excited about.

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        October 20, 2016 12:56 PM

        Yes, i'm actually intrigued. I'll probably buy it.

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      October 20, 2016 7:05 AM

      That looked awesome. Makes sense coming from the WiiU to this.

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      October 20, 2016 7:07 AM

      Oh yes, back to separate controllers for each hand. Now I can collapse into the sofa like the slob I am

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      October 20, 2016 7:08 AM

      March 2017, that's awesome. When can I pre-order?

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      October 20, 2016 7:09 AM

      One last look at amazon before the madness begins.

      http://chattypics.com/files/2016102009_06_26Amazoncom_nint_gt9zwgazs7.png

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        October 20, 2016 7:12 AM

        Keep that URL. You'll want to reference it in a few months.

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      October 20, 2016 7:10 AM

      Fine, I'll buy one.

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      October 20, 2016 7:11 AM

      Sold. Kids will love it.

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      October 20, 2016 7:12 AM

      that screen looks a little big for playing on public transportation but for other places it should be a great size

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      October 20, 2016 7:15 AM

      Any guesses on how long the battery will last on the mobile unit?

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      October 20, 2016 7:15 AM

      OK, quite sold on this, any word on backward compatability?

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      October 20, 2016 7:16 AM

      im rubbing my wallet on the screen

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      October 20, 2016 7:17 AM

      OK, that's pretty clever. All of it. The whole docking thing, the using the two side things as one big Wii U controller or two little controllers, the (presumably) ad hoc networking, etc.

      No idea if it will fly in the marketplace but I'm glad Nintendo seems to want to retain its title as the insane hardware company.

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      October 20, 2016 7:17 AM

      Blah, just wanted a more powerful system. :( wii u was fine if they actually made more games. I just don't enjoy the mobile game experience for complex games, too much distraction around. I really only feel like gaming at home anyway.

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        October 20, 2016 7:56 AM

        You can do that too...

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          October 20, 2016 9:14 AM

          Yeah but it feels like I need to buy another system that functionality wise won't be any different than what I already do with the wii u. The wii u was a great system burned by not enough support. I just wanted more good games. :(

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      October 20, 2016 7:17 AM

      I wonder if that full sized controller comes with it or is an extra. Im guessing the ladder but it would be nice to have both options out of the box. This thing could have been a stain on the ground and Id still buy it because nintendo and mario

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        October 20, 2016 9:32 AM

        I interpret the marketing image to mean that you'll get the switch controller (that allows you to put the small side units to make a single controller) and the TV dock, but the Pro standalone controllers will be sold separately.

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      October 20, 2016 7:17 AM

      Looks nice.

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      October 20, 2016 7:18 AM

      Hot damn, that's a hell of a good iteration on the Wii U concept. The screen looks amazing on the portable. They may have really nailed this. If they come up with some mechanism for me to transfer my digital purchases from Wii U to this then I will purchase it day one, whatever the cost.

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      October 20, 2016 7:19 AM

      My first reaction was meh, but I actually think I like it (the device), I just hate bullshit marketing videos.

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        October 20, 2016 7:25 AM

        This marketing video is very interesting coming from Nintendo actually. It exclusively shows adults playing, no kids. Seems like they're targeting adult gamers more aggressively, which is a big deal coming from them.

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      October 20, 2016 7:19 AM

      Looks pretty awesome, I dig the detachable controllers and portability of the whole thing.

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        October 20, 2016 7:20 AM

        I also particularity like how you can always have two controllers with you, like mini wii-motes.

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          October 20, 2016 7:21 AM

          Yeah that's pretty great. I'm really liking this thing, don't have any initial complaints.

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      October 20, 2016 7:20 AM

      That tiny controller is going to be unusable.

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      October 20, 2016 7:20 AM

      I wonder what the battery life will be like on the handheld when detached. Overall looks well thought out and something my family and I would enjoy. I skipped the Wii U but now that my kiddos are more into gaming I would love to play Mario or Mario Kart with them.

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      October 20, 2016 7:21 AM

      It's clear that Nintendo has zero interest in pushing the graphics envelope. This could totally have the Nvidia chipset in it.

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        October 20, 2016 7:21 AM

        That's fine with me. I don't care about 3rd party ports or the best graphics. I care about nintendo first party games and properties.

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        October 20, 2016 7:27 AM

        I don't care what's powering this thing, lately Nintendo has a way of making their games look great on whatever hardware they're using.

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        October 20, 2016 7:30 AM

        Nintendo hasn't considered themselves a contender in regards to graphical prowess since the N64.

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          October 20, 2016 7:31 AM

          The Gamecube was definitely a contender with the XBOX.

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            October 20, 2016 7:36 AM

            Was it? Either way that was probably the time when Nintendo finally came out and said "look, it's never going to be our strong point so let's focus on making great first party games with a low barrier to entry". Point is that was 15 years ago and I don't think anyone expected Switch to change it up.

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        October 20, 2016 7:34 AM

        Your second sentence confuses me because apparently this totally does have the Nvidia chipset in it

        https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2016/10/20/nintendo-switch/

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          October 20, 2016 7:35 AM

          I wrote that before the blog post went live. So, I was just speculating at that moment.

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        October 20, 2016 7:34 AM

        https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2016/10/20/nintendo-switch/

        They probably have no interest in fighting the graphics war with PS4 Pro/Scorpio when they want a device that consolidates their console and handheld libraries.

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          October 20, 2016 7:35 AM

          Ya, I wrote that before the blog post went live.

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        October 20, 2016 8:31 AM

        The Nintendo 64 and GameCube were flukes.

        They're the ones standing outside of the philosophy Nintendo's electronic gaming was based on, "Lateral Thinking of Withered Technology."

        Even the SNES was using safer, older, technology than they could have employed.

        The 64 happened because SGI's hardware fell into their laps when Sega continued to walk away from their commissioned hardware, and at that time Nintendo was more than happy to eat Sega's lunch.

        I'm not really sure how the GC happened though, but it could have been related to a desire to move past the really rough birth of 3D gaming onto something a bit more artistically stable.

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          October 20, 2016 8:34 AM

          GC was a few factors as I see it. Carts weren't keeping pace with optical storage, but loading times on optical wasn't good enough for what Nintendo wanted to. So they ended up balancing hardware specs with what they could push out of a proprietary optical solution. In the end, the GC was most about pushing raw polygon power and not getting into the texture/shader war. It was a smart move for the time.

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            October 20, 2016 8:48 AM

            Still, the GCN was unusual (except in comparison to the N64) in that it was new new hardware; it was untested silicon competitive with other hardware at the time of development.

            Yeah the GCN had fixed shaders instead of programmable like the XBOX, but the PS2, GCN, and XBOX all made different choices on how to balance hardware vs time vs cost (hence the PS2 being weakest largely due to it releasing earlier).

            They were, none the less, in the same ballpark. Notably that ballpark, other than RAM, included a majority of gaming PCs until about 2004/2005 when full DX 9.0c related hardware and software started to become the normal.

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      October 20, 2016 7:21 AM

      How many buttons? Does it have two shoulder triggers or 4?

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        October 20, 2016 7:28 AM

        It has four (two bumpers and two triggers). The handle controllers each have a stick and four buttons. When both are attached to the handheld the buttons on the lefthand controller serve as the dpad. When detached the buttons on both handle controllers are ABXY so two players can play on the same portable device. Smart shit.

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          October 20, 2016 9:13 AM

          Click states for the trigger and sticks would make it 20 digital states for single player and 10 for multi. Making the triggers analog would be bring even more to the table.

          It's a guess, but I'm assuming they're probably each precision gyro equipped as well. If not, then the tablet and controller dock will be.

          But from what we see, it's a minimum of 16 digital buttons + 2 sticks for single player, 8 + 1 stick for multi.

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      October 20, 2016 7:22 AM

      So no touch screen? People liked that thing for Mario maker and... nothing else?

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        October 20, 2016 7:26 AM

        We don't know for sure if there is or is not a touch screen. It would certainly kill backwards compatibility with a big chunk of their catalog. Plus Mario Maker was a huge seller. No way they just abandon that.

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        October 20, 2016 7:28 AM

        Yeah, you are right, and that is a bummer. Maybe they didn't show it? That seems super silly, but it seems silly to NOT have touch.

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      October 20, 2016 7:24 AM

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        October 20, 2016 7:27 AM

        I've given up on that dream a long time ago.

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        October 20, 2016 7:29 AM

        I kinda hope they never touch it again. It's turning into Sonic levels of shitgarbage.

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          October 20, 2016 8:44 AM

          This post makes me so sad. Get Retro to knock it out the park again. :(

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        October 20, 2016 7:44 AM

        I'd prefer that they didn't touch the series again outside of rereleasing Metroid Prime Trilogy with some new bells and whistles each generation :(

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        October 20, 2016 9:23 AM

        That's almost for sure not going to happen until Yoshio Sakamoto retires. He controls the mainline series and I doubt Nintendo is going to risk another Other M. Plus now with the total failure, in all markets, of the experimental Federation Force, I think the Prime series is pretty much dead as well.

        Metroid has always been a hard sell, literally, it doesn't really sell outside the US and even here it barely moves. I'd be a little shocked if anything other than the original Metroid and the GBA games actually saw real profit. Maybe the first Metroid Prime. Maybe.

        Add critical failure and cultural backlash on top of financial failure, and that's a combination not even Nintendo will continue to iterate on.

        Metroid will return in some capacity but it's probably going to be a while.

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      October 20, 2016 7:24 AM

      So I wonder if it will do hi-res stuff when docked, but then when you remove it for portable play if it automatically lowers the graphic quality/fidelity/resolution what have you?

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        October 20, 2016 10:55 AM

        Doubt it. The dock is probably just a wifi/power/hdmi connection, not a different GPU.

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          October 20, 2016 11:11 AM

          pretty sure that's what zipperface meant.

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      October 20, 2016 7:25 AM

      Looks cool.

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      October 20, 2016 7:26 AM

      Pricing

      $249?

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        October 20, 2016 7:28 AM

        Depends what is included in the box. If they include the more traditional controller and a game, $299.

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          October 20, 2016 7:37 AM

          Almost 0 chance there will be a pack-in game.

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        October 20, 2016 7:31 AM

        $299-$399. No way it is $250 or less.

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        October 20, 2016 7:32 AM

        That would be perfect, but I doubt it. I'm thinking at least $300, but as c_man_tmt said it's going to largeley depend on what's in the box. I'm sure there will be multiple SKUs since everyone does that these days and the base model will most likely be too bare bones to be a worthwhile purchase.

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        October 20, 2016 7:34 AM

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        October 20, 2016 7:37 AM

        I bet $400-500.

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        October 20, 2016 7:37 AM

        My guess is $299 and it will come with a new 3D Mario game.

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        October 20, 2016 7:46 AM

        $349

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        October 20, 2016 9:09 AM

        Hoping for $299. For Nintendo, I'd cringe at $3XX+.

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        October 20, 2016 9:33 AM

        Switch tablet and dock, Joy-Con A and B and Joy-Con dock, power supply, HDMI cable, and let's say 64GB internal flash storage (expandable with external HDD/SDD).

        I'll say $300 USD minimum, I wouldn't be shocked at $350.

        The NVIDIA SHIELD is $200 USD just by itself, no charger, no cables, no controller, no cover, and only 16GB in storage.

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        October 20, 2016 9:41 AM

        I was thinking $199 with $99 dock sold separately. After the 3DS, I just have a hard time seeing Nintendo going above the $200 mark.

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        October 20, 2016 1:11 PM

        I'd be surprised if it's less than $350...or...349

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      October 20, 2016 7:34 AM

      I'll allow it.

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      October 20, 2016 7:36 AM

      Looks like a fantastic console, let the hate begin for the weak hardware.

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      October 20, 2016 7:36 AM

      BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY

      So the Wii and Wii U were backwards compatible one generation.

      Looks like this thing has no optical drive and we're back to cartridges using memory cards.

      So I'm wondering if they just skip BC this round. Maybe have Wii/Wii U games as Virtual Console options?

      Splatoon is a Wii U game and they were playing it in the trailer but that could be a sequel.

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        October 20, 2016 7:38 AM

        Splatoon was probably just a port, or maybe it does have an optical drive. We don't really know yet.

        Being able to play DS and 3ds games would be....my gawd.

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          October 20, 2016 7:40 AM

          I'd say that being able to run your 3DS games with the controller being a touchscreen (if it is a touchscreen - as others have noted no one in the trailer used it that way) and the TV being the other screen would be insane. But so is the idea of a modular game console where you assemble the controllers.

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        October 20, 2016 7:41 AM

        Yeah I'm going to assume a mix of ports and virtual console.

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        October 20, 2016 7:43 AM

        Given their track record with their eShop management and everything, I think it's safe to say that there will be zero backwards compatibility and you'll have to rebuy everything, even classic virtual console titles.

        I'd love for this to be the system where they unify all of their virtual consoles into one, but it's Nintendo...so that probably won't happen.

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          October 20, 2016 7:45 AM

          I'm surprised to hear you say that, given the Wii U can play Wii games, and the 3ds can play games al the way back to the original ds. BC is their JAM.

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            October 20, 2016 7:47 AM

            It's weird, on their portable side they've always been about the BC and their consoles never had it until the Wii. But this is both a portable and a console so... who knows.

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            October 20, 2016 8:29 AM

            When they have physical support? Sure, they're mostly OK (aside from removing GC support in the Wii u and later wii models). This won't have the capability of accepting those discs, so all that shit is out the window. Also starting with the 3DS they started region locking their portable games, so that old benefit is gone, too. They've historically been a fucking mess with eshop purchase rights, and I see no reason to think that this will be different.

            So basically, no backwards compatibility with anything you already own. Anything supported will require you to buy it again. I want to be wrong on this, but Nintendo has been shitty on the digital front for the last decade.

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        October 20, 2016 7:45 AM

        I think that will be highly dependent on if that screen is touch capable. In the info Nintendo released they didn't mention anything about touch input and reviewing the video doesn't reveal a stylus anywhere on the hand held. Without touch input it because very hard to port games from the Wii U or handhelds. IMHO, the very best gaming experience on the Wii U was Super Mario Maker. If they abandon touch input and there is no SMM2 or SMM port to this console then I am out.

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          October 20, 2016 7:46 AM

          Someone on reddit said a Dev said it have a 10 point cpacitive touch screen. No idea if true.

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            October 20, 2016 7:48 AM

            Well also if my hunch is right and it's using the same basic screen as the Shield tablet it would kinda have to be going out of their way to make it NOT touch but we'll see

            But seeing as how touch was a big part of three of the last four pieces of hardware they've released it would seem unlikely they had abandoned it.

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        October 20, 2016 7:48 AM

        There have been rumors for quite awhile about Nintendo launching with Mario Kart, SSB, and Splatoon, but adding in new tracks, characters, maps etc so they're re-masters, but there's new content. That all ties into the news reports from months ago about how Nintendo wanted to have a strong launch with a lot of big name games. This is the easiest way to achieve that. Big splash and because the Wii U wasn't a big seller, it's new to a lot of people.

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        October 20, 2016 7:49 AM

        Splatoon looks like a sequel, hairstyles are different

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          October 20, 2016 8:08 AM

          I wondered that too? I knew something looked different.

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        October 20, 2016 7:50 AM

        At the very least it would be nice if they implemented some sort of license upgrade but yeah I'm not holding my breath.

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        October 20, 2016 8:31 AM

        Yes they will want to sell you the same Wii / Wii U games in the virtual console. Nintendo is all about squeezing extra dollars from games you've already purchased.

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        October 20, 2016 11:27 AM

        I doubt it'll be backwards compatible. They changed chip architectures and redesigned the api which indicates it would have to run on an emulator of some kind.

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      October 20, 2016 7:38 AM

      OPERATING SYSTEM

      So since Nvidia is powering this thing, and the screen kinda resembles Nvidia Shield's screen, and there were those rumors Nintendo was exploring Android, I wonder if this thing is technically running Android under the covers?

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        October 20, 2016 7:40 AM

        whatever it is, it DESPERATELY need to be a better OS than the WiiU. That thing was an absolute agony to use.

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          October 20, 2016 7:43 AM

          Yeah Nintendo kind of blows when it comes to making an OS.

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          October 20, 2016 9:45 AM

          Still better than the ps4 (I don’t own the bone, so I can't complain about it).

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        October 20, 2016 9:43 AM

        NVIDIA's press release suggests they did lots of software creation, customization, and optimization for the Switch, including work on the OS, APIs, libraries, and tool sets.

        https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2016/10/20/nintendo-switch/

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          October 20, 2016 11:25 AM

          I realize they're probably contractually obligated to promote the shit out of this, but I'm falling for it lol. They sound super optimistic about it and everything they've done to make it better.

          This line especially got me smiling real big: "The high-efficiency scalable processor includes an Nvidia GPU based on the same architecture as the world's top-performing GeForce gaming graphics cards,"

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      October 20, 2016 7:40 AM

      I swear if they fuck with the wii pro controller i'll stab their faces. The wii u pro controller is near perfection. if it had analog triggers it would be perfection.

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        October 20, 2016 7:41 AM

        Is that not what the pro gamers in the Splatoon scene at the end were using?

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          October 20, 2016 7:50 AM

          it looked like a different shape.

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            October 20, 2016 9:58 AM

            Yep, Nintendo has returned to the offset stick design on the Switch Pro Controller, which makes me happy as it is my preference for stick placement.

            Granted, the WiiU Pro's sticks separated-on-top design was more comfortable for me than the Wii Pro and DualShock's sticks close-together-on-the-bottom design, but still not ideal

            As happy as I am about that, part of me is sad that the Switch Pro controller doesn't use the GameCube ABXY button shapes, they're already breaking design symmetry vs the Joy-Con with the d-pad, so why not?

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      October 20, 2016 7:43 AM

      I'm surprised the overall reaction isn't more negative. It seems like another stupid gimmick to me. Then again, I sold my Wii because I never used it and I sold my WiiU because it was terrible. I'd actually like a traditional high powered console from Nintendo for once.

      So are motion controls dead now, btw?

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        October 20, 2016 7:45 AM

        This is gonna sound stupid but I really like the parts in the trailer where they showed the logo and made the click sound. Especially the first one where it was the signal that "yeah this isn't going to be your typical reveal trailer"

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          October 20, 2016 7:54 AM

          That's not stupid, that was their intent. So you really like the concept I'm guessing? I don't hate it, I just think it's a gimmick for me and I would much rather have a higher powered console from Nintendo.

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            October 20, 2016 8:02 AM

            The general rule of thumb for consoles is whoever releases last has the best hardware since technology progresses and all. The Wii U was more powerful than the PS3 or 360. Of course it was, it was released years later (and is considered a later generation). The PS4 and Xbone are more powerful than the Wii U. Of course they were, they were released years later.

            Of course it's arguable how much further graphics can go. We've been in diminishing returns mode for a while now. So I'm guessing the Switch will have better graphics than the PS4 or Xbone but years from now when PS5 and Xbtwo come out they'll be better.

            Of course with the PS4 Pro and Xbone S, who knows if traditional console generation segmentation still applies.

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        October 20, 2016 7:55 AM

        Says WiiU is terrible = opinion invalidated.

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          October 20, 2016 7:57 AM

          It was just a worthless gimmick for me. I'm not saying the games were bad. I'm talking about the hardware.

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            October 20, 2016 7:57 AM

            A touch screen is a worthless gimmick? lol

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              October 20, 2016 7:59 AM

              For me, it just didn't matter. The portable controller/touch screen. I would have rather had more powerful hardware than added gimmicks. Other consoles have survived without that stuff.

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                October 20, 2016 8:01 AM

                We have the other consoles *for* that stuff. I come to nintendo for the unique experiences they provide. Why in the world would you want just another Xbox or PS4?

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                  October 20, 2016 9:09 AM

                  I like Nintendo for the games, not for the unique experiences hardware-wise. It's just a difference of opinion. I would prefer a more powerful console.

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              October 20, 2016 8:00 AM

              You cannot seriously argue that having the second screen was anything more than a gimmick. It was barely used and even when it was the implementation wasn't always great. See Star Fox. The only real value came from being able to play remotely.

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                October 20, 2016 8:04 AM

                The only real value came from being able to play remotely.

                That's a pretty big value, and precisely why it isn't a fucking gimmick!

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                  October 20, 2016 8:18 AM

                  I could have been a bit more clear but the inference was that using the second screen while playing on TV was the gimmick and it largely failed. That is the part that was marketed

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                    October 20, 2016 8:20 AM

                    Mario maker alone says you're wrong.

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                      October 20, 2016 8:27 AM

                      And the counter point to that one good game that actually did something with it is that other game that was forced to use it and sucked so bad that it caused the internet to melt.

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                        October 20, 2016 11:21 AM

                        What are you referring to? AFAIK no dev was forced to use it.

                        I agree with Johnny in that if one game shows how the screen can be an advantage when used properly, it's on other devs to come up with ways to use it better. But then again, apparently it was hell developing for the Wii/U because there was no real porting process so you had to write specifically for it, so that's bad on Nintendo.

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              October 20, 2016 8:03 AM

              I always avoided using it when possible, so yes.

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        October 20, 2016 11:13 AM

        You guys and your talk of gimmicks. It will never stop bothering me.

        Because they do something differently does not make it a gimmick. Gimmick implies it was done for the sake of being different which absolutely does not describe Nintendo's strategy. Instead, they do new things to introduce new ways to play and experience games.

        Every time one of you talks against Nintendo gimmicks, it instantly makes me thing "you don't want a Nintendo console, you want an Xbox or Playstation". Do you really just want Nintendo to copy those models and only push the newest hardware? I sure don't.


        #getoffmylawn

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          October 20, 2016 11:26 AM

          I do want just the latest hardware, because their games have value to me, not their hardware schemes. If they actually came out with something truly different and better, then I would be on board. For example, what problem does the Nintendo Switch solve? The problem that people want to get together to play ad hoc multiplayer games more often? It sounds fun, but who the hell is going to follow through? The answer is children.

          Can you honestly say the hardware schemes factor into what's important to you about Nintendo games? I can't. I like like Super Mario Galaxy for example. I don't care if it's portable or motion controlled or whatever.

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            October 20, 2016 11:48 AM

            This post makes me sad because it demonstrates my biggest problem with the big budget gaming scene. Games are not all about graphics, which is what were talking about, yet that's the focus of the Xbox and PS and most of the big name studios that make games.

            To ask a similar question about the other consoles: what is new about them from their previous iteration? What makes games on that better than the ones previous? What makes the overall experience better? The answer is graphics.

            Contrast that to Nintendo, who puts out motion controllers and companion tablets and let's you walk away and keep playing. Those all add to new ideas in games (think Mario Maker or Wii Sports/Resort) and to an overall different gaming experience.

            And yeah this will definitely appeal to kids. But it also appeals to me. If I get one (looooool preordered already!), You can be sure I'll cart it around to parties. I'll be complaining about battery life because I'll play it in the car when I really shouldn't, or on the bus. I'm actually kind of sad that the focus has been on the mobile parts though because it means the home console experience isn't really different than before.

            And if their games are why you like Nintendo, then answer this: would they benefit from better graphics? You had a pro controller so you could avoid the motion stuff, so would those same games you like be any better if they were on a PS4 instead?

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              October 20, 2016 12:23 PM

              I agree with pretty much everything you've said. I like that Nintendo tries to be different, I just don't think the world is necessarily ready for it. There are a million amazing product ideas out there that just don't fit in very well once they are put into practice.

              That said, I do believe that this is an excellent idea considering how large their handheld gaming presence has been throughout the years. If I'm correct, for quite a while it has been the most profitable and popular part of their business. This move is smart all around, but only if they consolidate all of their libraries into this console.

              In my post history you'll find that I have said I wish Nintendo would just transition to a game developer and release their games on all platforms. I'd love to play the new Zelda in all of its cartoony glory, with the most impressive graphics possible.

              I also mentioned if they did something truly revolutionary I would be more apt to support that. Maybe they will re-define how people play games together with this. I think that would be cool, I just don't think it's going to happen.

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            October 20, 2016 12:13 PM

            I've said it before, but if the NX didn't support off-screen TV play I was going to be very bummed. I've spent countless hours playing on the couch while my wife/kids hogged the TV. For bachelors playing in their apartments it's probably viewed as a gimmick, but with a family of 4 and only 1 TV (until recently), it helped solve a problem for me.

            Otherwise I completely agree that both Nintendo and the majority of developers struggled to find a convincing use-case out of the tablet screen for gameplay. There were notable exceptions such as ZombiU, Mario Maker, Splatoon, Nintendoland etc - but most simply couldn't find a good use for it outside of a overhead map.

            More than anything I'm disappointed in the lack of asymmetrical gameplay that was teased in Nintendo Land and later on with Mario Party 10. It's fucking awesome, but there just wasn't enough of it. I understand it's tough to develop and risk a game based around the idea of 2 or more people getting together locally to play, but man my friends and I had a blast playing coop Metroid Blast or Mario Chase.

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              October 20, 2016 12:17 PM

              Point taken, I am a bachelor.

              Yeah the asymmetrical gameplay idea is great but the problem is the world is mundane. And the world didn't make time for it. We are communicating through social media and playing online multiplayer more than getting together in person.

              The use cases in the video, while neat (I would love to live in a world like that!), aren't likely to pan out in real life.

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      October 20, 2016 7:43 AM

      I thought the Wii was a POS and the Wii-U was kind of pointless, but this is pretty awesome.

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      October 20, 2016 7:44 AM

      Mmmm, they never touched the screen. Maybe not touch at all??

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        October 20, 2016 7:45 AM

        I hope not

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        October 20, 2016 7:46 AM

        Looking very likely that it's not touch capable. :(

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          October 20, 2016 7:49 AM

          Seems very unlikely there isn't a touch screen, since all the reports before this mentioned a touch screen (and were right about everything else)

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        October 20, 2016 7:49 AM

        I can live with that.

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          October 20, 2016 7:50 AM

          me too, get rid of the dumb gimmicks

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            October 20, 2016 7:52 AM

            Lol @ touch being a dumb gimmick

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              October 20, 2016 7:57 AM

              Well what they did with it was lol

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              October 20, 2016 8:26 AM

              I wouldn't say it's a dumb gimmick but at the same time it never hit a point where I couldn't live without it as a feature.

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          October 20, 2016 7:52 AM

          I can't, part of the allure of this thing is BC with 3ds and Wii U games. If they don't have that, if becomes much less cool IMO.

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            October 20, 2016 12:40 PM

            I'll settle for losing it if it keeps costs down. Plus with the way it's geared it wouldn't make sense to have devs develop for a feature that's only usable part of the time. I thought touch was ok on the 3ds but could be a little janky in terms of how devs used it.

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              October 20, 2016 12:43 PM

              It seems very unlikely this doesn't have touch.

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        October 20, 2016 7:51 AM

        It's touch. There's no way they'd release a tablet that wasn't. The game may not have been touch-capable though. No doubt, you hit a home button and then the menus are all touch.

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          October 20, 2016 7:53 AM

          At no point in that video did someone touch a screen.

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            October 20, 2016 7:54 AM

            That doesn't mean shit. It's a 3 minute video.

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              October 20, 2016 7:56 AM

              A three minute video they went out of their way to show all the different ways to play the console. At no point did anyone touch a screen. How are you supposed to play a touch game on a TV?

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                October 20, 2016 7:58 AM

                I doubt it has touch screen. They never showed it being played in conjuction with the TV. It seems like it has to be docked

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                October 20, 2016 7:59 AM

                They didn't show a fucking menu screen either. Is this the first menu-less system!?!!?

                This is a stupid conversation. There is no way this system isn't touch. It's not even an issue of cost.

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                  October 20, 2016 8:02 AM

                  Accept it! There is no touch on this system.

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              October 20, 2016 7:56 AM

              Lol it's a reveal video that methodically goes through the features and situations it can be played in.
              If they simply forgot to show touchscreen controls that's a hell of an oversight

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                October 20, 2016 8:02 AM

                No dude. There is nothing methodical about this video. They show a few playing the system to give you a good feel of it's use. But we still don't know shit about it.

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                October 20, 2016 8:05 AM

                I hope its not touch.... I needed a nintendo fix after doing some 4 player original smash bros on n64 a couple nights ago. So I started a new game in Mario 3d world last night. I got to this level I had to touch the screen and blow into the mic I dident remember that level from my first play through but it was annoying as fuck.

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                  October 20, 2016 9:42 AM

                  That's some great reasoning to remove touch.

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                October 20, 2016 9:41 AM

                If the touch is not a primary feature (but one that is included and will be useful with Wii U BC), then there's no reason to tout it. The feature is that you don't need to play games on a touch screen because you have controllers! So, if it's a touch screen, I would think that is secondary to the primary intent of the system which is the switching control options.

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              October 20, 2016 2:33 PM

              I can touch a lot in three minutes

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            October 20, 2016 7:57 AM

            Well the goal of the video was to show you the controllers and how they work and how they click into the sides so maybe they just didn't want to divert from that.

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              October 20, 2016 7:58 AM

              How are you supposed to play a touch game on a TV?

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                October 20, 2016 8:00 AM

                Have you ever owned a Wii U?

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                  October 20, 2016 8:01 AM

                  Not the same, you can't touch the controller when it's docked.

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                    October 20, 2016 8:04 AM

                    You think it has to be docked 100% of the time? I don't...

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                      October 20, 2016 8:05 AM

                      To play on the TV, yeah it has to be docked! The whole point is play the same game on the go, or docked.

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                        October 20, 2016 8:07 AM

                        Again, have you ever owned a Wii U? I'm skeptical of that claim of yours.

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                          October 20, 2016 8:09 AM

                          I'm guessing you didn't watch the video at this point. Either that or you suck at watching videos and probably had to have the ending of "The Usual Suspects" explained to you.

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                            October 20, 2016 8:11 AM

                            Dude. What the fuck. I'm done.

                            Juvenile shit.

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                          October 20, 2016 12:16 PM

                          Probably wrong on this one.

                          We'll see though.

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                      October 20, 2016 8:06 AM

                      For the TV to show anything? Yes, I do. It's the guts, I doubt the dock does anything at all without the tablet in it.

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                        October 20, 2016 8:08 AM

                        You could stream to the dock which then puts it on the TV. There's not much to that.

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                          October 20, 2016 8:10 AM

                          Good point, I forgot that was a solved problem now!

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                          October 20, 2016 8:12 AM

                          When the console is docked you will not be able to touch the screen. You can play the same games whether it's docked or not. Logic dictates it will not have touchscreen.

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                            October 20, 2016 8:18 AM

                            No, that's jumping to conclusions on a 3 minute video. That's not logic. What about the part where they take the controllers off the tablet. How do you control it then? You can make your case, but after the DS, the 3DS, and the Wii U, I find it really hard to believe it's not touch capable. That would be very detrimental considering it's 2016.

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                              October 20, 2016 8:27 AM

                              I'd say you're the one jumping to conclusions. It may have touch screen and dual screen abilities, but they didn't show anything to indicate that. We're just going off the video

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                                October 20, 2016 8:29 AM

                                Again, it's a 3 minute video. It doesn't mean shit. I said that from the beginning.

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          October 20, 2016 9:06 AM

          Hell yeah it is, do you think they dont want you to buy/play the mobile mario games on their own devices?

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            October 20, 2016 9:25 AM

            Well, who knows with that. For all I know they could be right, but after a decade of touch and Mario Maker's huge success. I mean, no touch seems silly. It's not a cost issue.

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        October 20, 2016 7:59 AM

        It would be a little weird if it wasn't considering the 3DS and Wii U both supported it and it would prevent ports of things like Mario Maker from happening.

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        October 20, 2016 8:06 AM

        When its docked you don’t have a touch screen, so building games around a touch interface seems like a bad idea.

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          October 20, 2016 8:12 AM

          BUT PICROSS! MARIO MAKER! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

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            October 20, 2016 8:22 AM

            Affordable Space Adventures sequel :(

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            October 20, 2016 1:30 PM

            You can still play Mario Maker with the tablet, and when it is docked it just goes into play only mode, or the editing cursor is controlled with a stick. I think Mario maker isn't a big deal, but other games might be.

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      October 20, 2016 7:53 AM

      I'm kinda sold on it.

      I could see this being super big, especially with younger generations. How cool is it that you can just take the entire console with you, to your friend's house if you want to have a Mario Kart session going on there? Or at the playground? Or at the beach?

      Convergence used to be a super big word in the business a few years ago, and this somehow seems to be the ultimate expression of that.

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      October 20, 2016 7:55 AM

      this looks fantastic. i can't wait for more details! i'm definitely picking one up at launch.

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      October 20, 2016 7:59 AM

      It looks fantastic.

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      October 20, 2016 8:04 AM

      I don't see the point of it being portable imo.
      Its too big to take outside, maybe if you wanted to play games in bed or something.

      They should just release zelda on steam and let people play it on their razor tablets

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        October 20, 2016 8:13 AM

        Even then with playing on a plane it felt too small for that. Would have been nicer if it was iPad sized. Kind of hoping there will be an option for that. Doubt it though.

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      October 20, 2016 8:05 AM

      wait does it play DS/3DS games?

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        October 20, 2016 8:08 AM

        Doesn't have a dual screen. So doubt it.

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          October 20, 2016 8:12 AM

          Just turn it to portrait mode. :D

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          October 20, 2016 8:20 AM

          The Wii U does DS emulation, no reason to assume that wouldn't continue.

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            October 20, 2016 8:21 AM

            Yeah. There's what's possible vs what they'll actually do. I doubt they'll include support for 3ds carts. I'd love to be wrong tho

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            October 20, 2016 10:58 AM

            It's unclear whether it the screen is a touchscreen. That's one thing thats never demonstrated in the video. Maybe it was left out to cut costs. If there's no touchscreen then a stylus won't work. And that would be a problem for 3ds support. I doubt they also wanna kill 3ds hardware sales.

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        October 20, 2016 8:08 AM

        This will be a huge factor in sales, IMO

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        October 20, 2016 8:11 AM

        Pure conjecture, but I imagine that it will, whether through backwards compatibility or the eShop. The WIi U eShop sells DS games, and you play by either splitting your GamePad screen or by sending images to your TV. Given that the Switch can use two screens (tablet and TV), I don't see why 3/DS games couldn't make their way over eventually.

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      October 20, 2016 8:06 AM

      I like this because it's different. I don't care about graphics and specs anymore, just give me a good frame rate and I'll be happy. I really hope they get their online services right. Every time I try to use any online feature from Nintendo (store, multiplayer, whatever), it feels like they designed it to be as inconvenient as possible.

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        October 20, 2016 8:08 AM

        Battery life is they key to this unit, looks fun.

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          October 20, 2016 8:35 AM

          I hope the dock does fast charging like phones do where you could get a complete charge in 30 minutes or something.

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      October 20, 2016 8:10 AM

      They showed the red splash screen, name, and that silly sound effect way too much in the trailer.

      Also incredibly wishful thinking with Splatoon drawing stadium sized crowd and not even showing screens up of the game. No, just 8 people on the stage playing on TV screens haha. Sad they didn't even use Smash Brothers for that part. Would have been more conscientious of their own popularity.

      Other than that I'm intrigued.

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      October 20, 2016 8:16 AM

      Joy-Con? Come on Nintendo

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      October 20, 2016 8:21 AM

      I hope this thing can do tablety things. I think I'd replace my shield with something like this.

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      October 20, 2016 8:22 AM

      About what I expected. I'll buy one.

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      October 20, 2016 8:23 AM

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      October 20, 2016 8:23 AM

      new breath of the wild footage? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8hDuCeG1xg

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      October 20, 2016 8:25 AM

      So that's a new version of MK8 right? It shows ability to have two powerups.

      https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8_MPVEul4MHdE5lUmU5bVZkX2M

      Right?

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        October 20, 2016 9:16 AM

        My first thought was Double Dash and Gamecube VC stuff, but then they showed a screen of a single rider in the kart. Hmmmmm

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        October 20, 2016 10:28 AM

        It wouldn't shock me if it's just straight up called Mario Kart 9, even if it's built on the bones of Mario Kart 8.

        I say that only because they dropped system monikers in favor of numbers for the 3DS and WiiU releases, so while it could be called Mario Kart 8 Switch, I don't think it will be.

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      October 20, 2016 8:27 AM

      March? Guess they don't care about Xmas sales.

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      October 20, 2016 8:31 AM

      Can we speculate on the new mario game?

      Tough to tell - but I'm getting a vibe this is a "true" 3D mario based on the camera placement, level design, and ability to do the triple jump combo and such. Yeah? I can't remember all the complaints of Mario purists had with 3D world honestly.

      Either way at least we know the Switch isn't a slouch in the graphics department, game looks fucking amazing based on the limited footage we have.

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        October 20, 2016 8:34 AM

        Yeah, looks like the next big single-player Mario title.

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        October 20, 2016 8:36 AM

        Mostly Mario 3D World was great, but there is room for a new over-the-shoulder mario game.

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          October 20, 2016 9:14 AM

          SM3DW was my favorite 3D Mario so far. I prefer pure platforming to the convention 3D single-player games like SM64 and Galaxy, though, as good as those are.

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            October 20, 2016 9:18 AM

            It was a great game, I just mean it plays just differently enough from the entries like SM64 and Galaxy that I can see them doing future installments in both styles.

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            October 20, 2016 9:42 AM

            I got back and forth on this. I love the streamlined platforming you get in 3DW, but miss out on the quasi-adventure aspect of the more open world of say SM64. Really excited to have another Mario title in my hands either way. Hopefully they can hit launch date, if not at least launch window.

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              October 20, 2016 10:17 AM

              Miyamoto said around E3 that new Mario and Pokémon games will be available within the first six months of launch. :D

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            October 20, 2016 10:24 AM

            Same, and I loved 64 and Galaxy. I thought 3D World struck the perfect balance between those games and a traditional Mario platformer. Possibly the best game on the system.

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        October 20, 2016 11:09 AM

        The few clips that were visible made it look a lot like Mario64!

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      October 20, 2016 8:31 AM

      I'm just happy it isn't Swiitch or Swii.

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      October 20, 2016 8:33 AM

      Man, the local multiplayer potential for stuff like Co-op is huge. It's aways been a pain to bring a console over to a friends place, but now? No moreso than a 3DS.

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        October 20, 2016 8:40 AM

        Yeah, they don't need any hardware. That's a huge feature imo.

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        October 20, 2016 8:40 AM

        I didn't think of that and that makes me insta-buy, even though I feel like this was a failure until you mentioned this.

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        October 20, 2016 8:41 AM

        I don't think huddling around a small screen is very piratical, seems like you would just bring the whole system anyway.

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          October 20, 2016 8:45 AM

          Who's huddling? Each person can bring their own aside from the host who's got a TV.

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            October 20, 2016 8:46 AM

            Oh, you are assuming you have friends with the switch, not just you.

            You're lucky!

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          October 20, 2016 9:11 AM

          I could see sititng around the kitchen table, or even outside and playing in the yard, being awesome. I'd rather that then splitting one TV into 4 windows.

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        October 20, 2016 9:21 AM

        The four player NBA thing they showed was p crazy

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          October 20, 2016 10:05 AM

          it looks made up. That's NBA2k which is designed around a normal controller and then they pull it apart and can suddenly play the game with just a single directional stick and a few buttons? This is one of the fundamental problems with that idea. There aren't that many games that both use a full pro controller to its full effect but then also play really well with half as many inputs. I mean, we learned this with the Wii already.

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            October 20, 2016 10:18 AM

            The Wii sideways was a d-pad and two buttons while this is a thumbstick and four buttons. I'm sure they'll figure it out. As for Nintendo's own games playing with different controller types, that was solved years ago

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              October 20, 2016 10:23 AM

              It's just similar to the concept videos we got for the Wii and Wii U. In mock ups they make it look highly generalizable. In practice it turns out to be pretty narrow with relatively few games (especially non Nintendo) suited to such different control styles.

              You can't play NBA2k with a thumbstick and 4 buttons. You're playing a casual basketball game then that's designed meaningfully differently. Maybe 2k will make a special mode for this. Maybe it'll get special casual versions of sports games like the Wii did. In any case that example is a bit misleading once you start working through how it'd actually play. I'm sure it's fine for Mario Kart.

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                October 20, 2016 10:27 AM

                Yeah, it wouldn't be advanced controls for sure, that would just work for the full configuration. We'll see what they do.

                Two modes for two controller configs would work, or you can just link two Pro Controllers (or whatever they end up calling it) to the Switch and it would work exactly the same as if you were at home on your TV.

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      October 20, 2016 8:35 AM

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      October 20, 2016 8:39 AM

      http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=switch

      Still a much better name than Wii U.

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      October 20, 2016 8:46 AM

      great design. if it's got enough juice it could be interesting. worst case ontario it's at least a real upgrade to their portable architecture.

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      October 20, 2016 9:08 AM

      Super underwhelmed.

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      October 20, 2016 9:10 AM

      Cool tech. All I can think about watching that trailer is "Jesus people, disconnect from your videogames for one fucking second and have a life". I know there are contexts in which this is going to be awesome, but I can guarantee that if your friends invite you to a rooftop party it's not to play more fucking Zelda.

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        October 20, 2016 9:12 AM

        The trailer was clearly designed to show myriad uses of the hardware. Also, disconnect from your videogame forum for one fucking second and have a life. :P

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          October 20, 2016 9:16 AM

          Oh I know the irony in my comment. I'm one of the worst example of no-life-always-connected person. Can't help to have that reaction to this trailer though. Having no life and being on my phone all the time isn't exactly healthy and the trailer just promotes that to the max.

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      October 20, 2016 9:11 AM

      Can't wait till the kids fight over who gets to take this thing to school. Ugh.

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      October 20, 2016 9:13 AM

      I found it very interesting that this video was aimed mostly at adults and older teenagers. No young kids in sight.

      I am super pumped for the Switch. It hits the spot for what interests me. Same game experience on my tv or on the go. Different controller options.

      People have been saying that it's inevitable that a mobile device would eventually take the place of a game console and I'm happy that Nintendo is taking the lead on this. They have experience in this area (e.g. GBA TV adapters) and their conservative approach to graphics pays off with this move.

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      October 20, 2016 9:14 AM

      I'm excited. Don't care about third party support and don't need better graphics than the Wii U. The idea of all of Nintendo's console/handheld first party offerings being combined into one platform, which can all be played portably if I choose, is awesome. Exactly what they needed to do.

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      October 20, 2016 9:15 AM

      Looks awesome!

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      October 20, 2016 9:16 AM

      Jeff Gerstmann brought this up months ago and I think the most exciting thing is that all Nintendo studios will be making games for the same hardware. No split between mobile developers or home console developers.

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        October 20, 2016 9:20 AM

        Hi-res Fire Emblem and Pokemon and Animal Crossing! Oh my!

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          October 20, 2016 9:26 AM

          They tease either of these yet?

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            October 20, 2016 9:27 AM

            Not that I've seen, but, you know-the implication!

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          October 20, 2016 10:07 AM

          Now I would buy those.

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        October 20, 2016 9:30 AM

        Yup, best feature of this system, for me at least.

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        October 20, 2016 12:29 PM

        I feel like this will only be the case if Switch does well. If it doesn't, they'll probably dump all their support back into 3DS and the DS line, new portable DS console etc.

        Part of me thinks Switch won't be a replacement for 3DS/Nintendo dedicated portables. There are a lot of features, but I feel like at some point too many features scares off people looking for a simple portable console.

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      October 20, 2016 9:24 AM

      My kid is going to eat this up. If I were 5 again I'd be all over this like white on rice on a paper plate on a white table in the White House in a snow storm

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      October 20, 2016 9:29 AM

      Any info on cost yet? Would love to have two of these. One for the daughter and one for me!

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        October 20, 2016 9:31 AM

        Nah. They're holding that back for the longer, inevitable Direct announcement.

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          October 20, 2016 9:32 AM

          Any idea when that will be? (when do they usually do the directs?)

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          October 20, 2016 9:32 AM

          Gut feeling the system is going for $250 each and the dock for the TV separate cost. Along with the new pro looking controller.

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            October 20, 2016 9:33 AM

            There is no way they sell this without the dock, that wouldn't make any sense.

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              October 20, 2016 9:35 AM

              Might be a bundle set for a higher cost. The options on this thing doesn't set it as a typical console to me.

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                October 20, 2016 9:37 AM

                Sorry, I mean there isn't going to be a package without the dock. There just won't be.

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              October 20, 2016 9:39 AM

              Multiple SKUs makes a lot of sense considering the different demands of Nintendo's markets. In the US and EU they could mostly sell a bundle with dock as well as just the core system for younger people who would otherwise get the 3DS.

              Japan would be different, there they could mostly sell the core system with the dock bundle as an option. That market loves mobile/3DS gaming and mostly rejects console gaming. The PS4 tanked there, even the Wii U sold better in that region, so yeah, split between handheld and consoles while serving the same software to both.

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              October 20, 2016 9:47 AM

              I could see where they have an explicitly mobile-only SKU for people who don't intend to dock it at home, in which case they would sell the dock separately. This would potentially make sense for people with multiple TVs. If the dock is inexpensive enough, you could have an extra one on another TV in the house, so you could dock in the family room or in bed, for example.

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            October 20, 2016 11:23 AM

            $399 most likely, maybe 350

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              October 20, 2016 11:36 AM

              So like $250 core system, 100-150 dock, $50 pro controller maybe?

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              October 20, 2016 12:43 PM

              Sigh this is pretty much a must-buy for me. I probably won't care what it costs.

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        October 20, 2016 12:10 PM

        The NVIDIA SHIELD by its lonesome (literally nothing else, not even a stylus or USB cable) is $200, which gives us a safe floor on price.

        I think $250 would be an absolute minimum for the Switch tablet, Joy-Con A+B, and power supply.

        However based on the price of the New 3DS XL... a tablet+Joy-Con only SKU starting at $300 wouldn't shock me.

        With a Switch Dock, HDMI cable, Joy-Con Dock and 64GB base storage, I think it will be $350 easy. I assume that would also come with a game though.

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      October 20, 2016 9:32 AM

      Splatoon is trending worldwide on Twitter and it was just one part of the reveal. People seriously underestimate what a phenomenon that game is.

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        October 20, 2016 9:38 AM

        Its such a great game.

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          October 20, 2016 9:40 AM

          It is! It worth noting that over half the Wii U owners in Japan own Splatoon. That's an insane attach rate

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            October 20, 2016 12:52 PM

            My only gripe with the original game was that it would split you and your friends onto separate teams. I just never understood why they'd do that.

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            October 20, 2016 12:56 PM

            Yeah, some people in the earlier thread were kind of mocking the splatoon tournament, but that game sold like 4M+ units! If memory serves, that's about what SF4 sold, which obviously was a large enough base to support a tournament community.

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        October 20, 2016 12:33 PM

        I bought Splatoon to play online with my niece, only to find out that we couldn't communicate in any way through the game, and the game didn't even put us on the same teams most of the time. Wonder if the new one will be more accommodating in that regard.

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          October 20, 2016 12:59 PM

          Yeah, really need to make party systems work that way. They're afraid of team stacking but its ridiculous that either single queue or 4v4 parties are the only options. Save those sorts of restrictions for ranked IMHO

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      October 20, 2016 9:32 AM

      What do you guys think of the method of this announcement, just dumping a reveal trailer on the world?

      I love it. I know what I want for now, short of the eventual technical breakdown.

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        October 20, 2016 9:35 AM

        In 13 hours we went from no information to BOOM REVEAL. Its great. The time of multiple E3s and then you get your toy is over.

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          October 20, 2016 9:44 AM

          Yep, it's great. Let me anticipate a product I know about rather than a bunch of questions.

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        October 20, 2016 9:39 AM

        Much better than a dumb drawn out press conference, cheaper and much more to the point. Top marks.

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      October 20, 2016 9:33 AM

      From a friend: "I can't wait to play 2011's smash hit Skyrim on my Nintendo Switch in the year 2017 but without the mod support that makes Skyrim less of a steaming pile of shit "

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        October 20, 2016 12:20 PM

        To be fair, it's Skyrim Special Edition.

        It will be 2016's slightly prettier, differently buggy re-release of 2011's smash hit Skyrim, minus the mod support that makes it less of a steaming pile of shit, on a Nintendo Switch in 2017.

        Big difference, I know.

        As much as I don't personally care for them, I think featuring a sports game is probably far more important to the survival of the console than Skyrim: SE is.

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      October 20, 2016 9:35 AM

      looks closer to a 3DS successor with a dock than a serious attempt to compete in the home console market. Doubling down on handhelds isn't unreasonable given Nintendo's strengths there but pretty dangerous in a world of smartphones.

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        October 20, 2016 9:38 AM

        I don’t think it's that dangerous, the only games that tend to work well on phones are ones designed for touch, and not the more traditional platformers, etc.

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          October 20, 2016 9:40 AM

          Yup. Mobile games are either simple or horrible to control.

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          October 20, 2016 9:41 AM

          no one disputes that, but mobile gaming on phones is good enough for most for the job it's trying to do (kill time on a bus or in a waiting room). Take an enfranchised Hearthstone player for example, one who knows all about how great AAA games at home are. How much do they want to pay and carry around a second device for some portable gaming? HS does everything they need mobile gaming to do most of the time.

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            October 20, 2016 9:43 AM

            I don't see handhelds as something to be carried around all the time like a phone, I just like the convenience of playing them wherever. Bed, couch, kitchen, outside. Freeing up the TV, etc. For this the Switch is absolutely perfect.

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            October 20, 2016 9:55 AM

            Mobile games blow goats.

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            October 20, 2016 10:23 AM

            That doesn't eliminate the audience that still plays on Nintendo handhelds. Franchises on 3DS are selling as well as they ever have, just look at Pokemon and Monster Hunter. Even a "minor" franchise like Luigi's Mansion sold 5 million copies.

            Something like Pokemon or Monster Hunter on Switch is easily 20 million combined if this takes off. Nintendo is doing the right thing by leaning into their handheld dominance and bringing it to the living room.

            Yes, iPhones exist and the games bring in tons of money, but saying there's complete crossover with console or PC gaming is silly.

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              October 20, 2016 10:30 AM

              I think Pokemon still moving units on a platform built to 100m+ market before smartphones reached their current ubiquity/capabilities is different from building out a whole new platform. Especially given that we see the 3DS struggle to sell out of the gate at $250 and it's hard to imagine this being much cheaper than that.

              Nintendo is doing the right thing by leaning into their handheld dominance and bringing it to the living room.

              I said as much in my initial reply. This looks more like a handheld than a home console or hybrid to me.

              Yes, iPhones exist and the games bring in tons of money, but saying there's complete crossover with console or PC gaming is silly.

              I was pretty explicit about how there's no complete crossover but how the state of "good enough" is enough to disrupt the dedicated device.

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                October 20, 2016 11:23 AM

                "I think Pokemon still moving units on a platform built to 100m+ market before smartphones reached their current ubiquity/capabilities"

                I'm talking about the 3DS, not the DS.

                "is different from building out a whole new platform."

                Certainly, that's the challenge of starting any new console.

                "This looks more like a handheld than a home console or hybrid to me."

                1080p 60fps gaming in the living room sure feels like a home console to me. Its a hybrid.

                "I was pretty explicit about how there's no complete crossover but how the state of "good enough" is enough to disrupt the dedicated device."

                Certainly. That said, a floor for the dedicated gaming handheld market seems to have stabilized. There remains a market of gamers who want machines that are expressly built for gaming, be it PCs, consoles, or handhelds (or a hybrid).

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                  October 20, 2016 11:39 AM

                  1080p 60fps gaming in the living room sure feels like a home console to me. Its a hybrid.

                  Doesn't an iPad do this too? And can cast to an AppleTV?

                  The problem is this portable doesn't even fit in your pocket. It's serving both groups suboptimally. We've seen what that lack of focus looks like in other cases (XB1, Surface come to mind).

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                    October 20, 2016 11:49 AM

                    I agree, and I'm not really sure that classifying it as a portable is really accurate. It's a tablet, at least as far as form factor. Maybe Nintendo's strategy is to carve out a brand new market segment, one that dips into a few other segments of people that own consoles, portables, and/or tablets.

                    There is no doubt they will push hard to get mobile games on this thing, the switch could easily pull in casual gamers. But unlike the wii, the switch could have the software to keep people spending money on it.

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                      October 20, 2016 12:04 PM

                      For sure, which is why I called it a hybrid

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                    October 20, 2016 11:54 AM

                    Surface? What are you getting at? I love mine and last I checked its selling very well.

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                      October 20, 2016 11:57 AM

                      it requires a compromise as a laptop user and a compromise as a tablet user. For some people that compromise is acceptable. It's selling well enough for what it is (1-1.5m units/quarter), but that's not huge volumes.

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                        October 20, 2016 12:41 PM

                        What compromise does it require for tablet use exactly?

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                          October 20, 2016 12:42 PM

                          running Windows and costing $1000+ are the primary ones

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                            October 20, 2016 12:52 PM

                            A Surface 3 is reasonably priced and performs well for half that price. And Windows is hardly a terrible touch experience now.

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                              October 20, 2016 12:54 PM

                              I didn't say it's terrible, I said it's a compromise on an optimal experience

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        October 20, 2016 11:31 AM

        Smartphone games are fucking terrible. Nintendo's mobile market is on an entirely different level.

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          October 20, 2016 11:37 AM

          meanwhile mobile gaming has gotten so big that Nintendo showing willingness to make even shitty mobile games doubled their market cap for a period. I don't care that you guys think mobile games are shitty. I think most of them are shitty too. The market at large does not think that.

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            October 20, 2016 12:06 PM

            They are shit but they're hugely popular with non-gamers. That will change over time as more of those people get into real games and realize they're being robbed by mobile games.

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              October 20, 2016 12:28 PM

              so why didn't all those casual nongamers who were Wii owners turn into Wii U and Playstation 4 owners? They're not being robbed of anything. These casual games are exactly the level of complexity and engagement they want.

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      October 20, 2016 9:36 AM

      Skyrim??? looks cool! That zelda still better come out for Wii U. And that Mario game.

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        October 20, 2016 9:37 AM

        The new Zelda will be on both consoles.

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          October 20, 2016 9:38 AM

          yay!

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            October 20, 2016 11:07 AM

            The new Mario will not.

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              October 20, 2016 11:09 AM

              >:(

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                October 20, 2016 11:14 AM

                But on the other hand, the WiiU has already had a lot of great Mario games that you can play!

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                  October 20, 2016 11:35 AM

                  I know, I have all of them ;)

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      October 20, 2016 9:42 AM

      Also glad it doesn't look anything like those POS looking leaked images.

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      October 20, 2016 9:51 AM

      Looks cool. One of my favorite parts about the wiiu was asynchronous play between the tv and gamepad. If you can have a bunch of friends over with their switch and you're playing 4v4 splatoon in the same room. Holy shit that would be fun. Or some RPG? Man, this could be killer.

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        October 20, 2016 9:57 AM

        Hell even mariokart where you each have your own screen... I'm starting to get excited...

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      October 20, 2016 9:55 AM

      :( No thanks. I'll probably just pick up a used Wii U for the new Zelda. I wonder how different the graphics will be between the systems.

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        October 20, 2016 10:59 AM

        If the graphics are as good as Wii u I will buy the second it covers out.

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      October 20, 2016 11:12 AM

      The more I think about it, the more I think this is a great move by Nintendo. They can essentially collapse two markets into one, and two hardware targets into one, and at the same time offer something neither market had before: local multiplayer while mobile, which is super cool.

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      October 20, 2016 11:14 AM

      I was right suckas

      http://www.shacknews.com/chatty?id=33691215

      kenclopz owes me a hundred buckaroos! Arrrrrooooo!

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      October 20, 2016 11:17 AM

      I can't watch the video yet, but is there a way to have it docked in 'console' mode while also using the tablet? If not, that's a bummer.

      But if not, I could see them throwing some extra hardware in the dock in order to give better performance/graphics on the big screen.

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        October 20, 2016 11:23 AM

        No it has to be docked it looks like. And I don't think they would add hardware to it in the dock because then games have to be written to handle two different hardware specs, which is a huge burden.

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          October 20, 2016 12:09 PM

          I would not rule it out all XB1 and PS4 devs are going to have to dual dev now with the PS4 Pro and Scorpio, its the sign of the times.

          I really hope the base adds more power to the games/system that would be amazing and the portable is like medium settings for the games and a lower resolution, god that would own if its true, please be real.

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            October 20, 2016 12:56 PM

            Good point. We really don't know at this point. Nintendo always seems to surprise me too (good or bad)

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              October 20, 2016 12:59 PM

              Exactly, I really really hope it for the good this time, I have a good feeling about the Switch I hope I am right.

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        October 20, 2016 11:31 AM

        Right now it looks like the dock is just a dock, but they didn't specifically show anything. It could still feasibly operate like a Wii U where you're using a tablet, but playing on the TV except in reverse. The Wii U streams to the tablet, but with Switch, the tablet could stream to the dock and thus the TV. Who knows...

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        October 20, 2016 11:47 AM

        We don't know yet

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      October 20, 2016 11:32 AM

      Haha I just saw this image: http://static2.gamespot.com/uploads/original/1179/11799911/3145616-screen+shot+2016-10-20+at+7.12.02+am.jpg

      That's a pretty cool idea, but I can see it going horribly wrong when people start playing in traffic or simply while driving.

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        October 20, 2016 11:47 AM

        I love that it automatically supports two players on a mobile device. That's cool.

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          October 20, 2016 11:55 AM

          Looks like you can link two of them together to play 4 player. At least that was kind of implied from the NBA game. Maybe I inferred too much there.

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          October 20, 2016 11:58 AM

          Yeah that's neat. Above, I jokingly said something about playing it in the car, but I love the idea of being able to whip it out when you and someone are waiting in line or bored at work :-p

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            October 20, 2016 12:32 PM

            I love the idea of being able to whip it out when you and someone are waiting in line or bored at work

            ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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            October 20, 2016 12:33 PM

            But will I need a European Man Bag to carry it around.

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              October 20, 2016 12:37 PM

              You'll carry it in one of those drawstring bags that's so popular these days.

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                October 20, 2016 12:39 PM

                Would a testicle pattern bag be unacceptable?

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              October 20, 2016 12:37 PM

              I'd be surprised if they didn't have some little bag exactly for that purpose.

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              October 20, 2016 12:42 PM

              What happens if you lose and only lose the Joy-Con L controller. Do you have to rebuy the whole thing? ;)

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                October 20, 2016 12:52 PM

                I'd price check but based on history there's a good chance Nintendo.com will be your best, and often enough cheapest, bet for the more expensive official replacement parts.

                https://store.nintendo.com/ng3/

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          October 20, 2016 12:36 PM

          I just want to see how the next Monster Hunter will work on this. Will each player still need their own device? That almost sounds like a better solution than trying to do split screen on a tablet.

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            October 20, 2016 12:50 PM

            I haven't played that but it sounds cool

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              October 20, 2016 12:59 PM

              It's awesome, and potentially exactly what the Switch will be best for. Get together with three friends with 2-4 devices and kill some monsters all day. It's like doing a WoW raid where you can all be in the same room. Of course, there's online play as well.

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      October 20, 2016 12:39 PM

      Ars believes no touchscreen based on the trailer. Nintendo officially says they have no comment at this time.
      http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/10/nintendo-switchs-apparent-lack-of-touchscreen-isnt-an-accident/

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        October 20, 2016 12:44 PM

        huh ... releasing the switch with no touch seems fucking crazy to me. i'll believe this when i hear it from nintendo

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        October 20, 2016 12:47 PM

        Damnit, I should have refreshed before posting.

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        October 20, 2016 12:52 PM

        Where does it say nintendo had no comment?

        Either way, this 100% has a touch screen, zero chance it doesn't.

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          October 20, 2016 12:56 PM

          Second paragraph:
          Ars sent that question directly to Nintendo of America and received this statement as a response: "We have nothing to announce on this topic. We will make additional announcements about the Nintendo Switch hardware later, before the launch of the product.”

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            October 20, 2016 12:56 PM

            Lol, yeah, that’s a canned response they are sending to everyone. Means nothing.

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        October 20, 2016 12:53 PM

        Nintendo is going to say that for everything, that means nothing.

        If it's true, I think it's absolutely ludicrous. It really makes no sense especially after the success of Mario Maker. I won't miss touch function for a lot of games, but for the menu system and having it operate as a basic tablet outside of games, I mean.. that's a huge a miss.

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          October 20, 2016 1:38 PM

          it's definitely a huge miss, but Mario Maker is literally the only legitimate need for the touch screen in the Wii-U's lifetime.

          keep in mind, that the machine is intended to function with a controller on a TV, meaning you cannot rely on touch input at all to do anything. Touch input might be additive, but it is, at best, absolutely secondary.

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            October 20, 2016 2:12 PM

            It would be great for just taking the tablet along to watch netflix or something.

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      October 20, 2016 12:41 PM

      Ars has a good run down on why they think there will be no touch control interface. http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/10/nintendo-switchs-apparent-lack-of-touchscreen-isnt-an-accident/

      After reading it, the thought occurred to me that perhaps we'll see a Super Mario Maker sequel on tablets. I could be alright with that. If they made that a center piece of their mobile strategy it could be incredible. Which probably means they won't do it.

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        October 20, 2016 12:46 PM

        How will we get the rumored mobile games without touch?

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          October 20, 2016 12:49 PM

          I mean it's entirely possible it will release different games for each.

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          October 20, 2016 12:50 PM

          on the iOS device you already own

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            October 20, 2016 12:51 PM

            I say NAY good sir.

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              October 20, 2016 12:53 PM

              who's going to be interested in porting iOS games with ~1bn user addressable market to a platform with a few 10s of millions of people maybe 1/3 to a half of whom already own an iOS device?

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                October 20, 2016 1:43 PM

                But I don't already own an iOS device.

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                October 20, 2016 2:12 PM

                There are something like 400 games released on iOS every single day. There's no way Nintendo will allow the switch to be the free-for-all that iOS game dev is. 10s of millions is more than enough to give a home to premium mobile content, and difference (proportionally) in avg spending between iOS to switch users will probably be at least as big a the delta between android to iOS users.

                Sure, for the handful of games that pull in mega bucks the switch will be a downgrade. You won't see games pulling in $100M+ annually. But for devs that put out quality content and want to charge for it, and can get by on $100k (one man show) - a few mil (moderate sized team), I'd think the switch would be much more attractive than iOS/android.

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                  October 20, 2016 2:16 PM

                  Sure, for the handful of games that pull in mega bucks the switch will be a downgrade. You won't see games pulling in $100M+ annually. But for devs that put out quality content and want to charge for it, and can get by on $100k (one man show) - a few mil (moderate sized team), I'd think the switch would be much more attractive than iOS/android.

                  right, but then the question is is it worth targeting the Switch exclusively vs the XB1 and/or PS4. The Switch would have to sell incredibly well to entice lots of indie exclusives but if they're not exclusives then they're unlikely to really leverage the uniqueness of the hardware (Nintendo's problem with the Wii U).

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                    October 20, 2016 2:50 PM

                    I don't really see it as a choice between switch exclusivity and xb1/ps4 exclusivity. For one, xb1/ps4 have high barriers of entry, which for small devs is either a huge obstacle at best or prohibitive at worst. Obviously we have no idea what Nintendo's strategy is as far as indie development, but if they want to court mobile games, the barrier of entry has to be very low. That's one of the big reasons why you see mobile devs increasingly targeting steam in addition to ios/android, and not consoles.

                    And that's what I'm getting at, the mobile devs who are currently targeting steam as well as ios/android are the ones who would find the switch attractive. There's no reason why they have to target switch exclusively, either (there isn't that much unique about the switch anyway, at least not in relation to the last few nintendo consoles). Having the option to support switch/steam/iOS/android instead of just iOS/android breaks them out the box where they have to design a game around ad-supported freemium with tons of IAP. You can design the game the way that best makes sense, and if the game catches people's attention on any one of those platforms, you can use the buzz to spur sales on the others.

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                      October 20, 2016 2:57 PM

                      but at least with what we know right now targeting the Switch doesn't even have crossover with mobile due to the lack of touchscreen. So you're not porting mobile to Switch, you're making a Switch exclusive or else Switch is just getting the same console indie content as the XB1/PS4.

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                        October 20, 2016 3:14 PM

                        Well, I definitely think that not having touch on the switch would be a huge mistake. But that doesn't necessarily mean that mobile games wouldn't work on the device. Games like Downwell, Reigns, and Burly Men at Sea are simultaneous PC/iOS releases. Even some of the super popular stuff like Crossy Road could work with a d-pad.

                        Sure, a large amount of mobile stuff just wouldn't translate without touch. But there is a lot of high quality content that is specifically designed to work both with and without touch.

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                        October 20, 2016 3:20 PM

                        Nintendo hasn't said the Switch doesn't have screen support. They just didn't show it in the trailer.

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                          October 20, 2016 3:23 PM

                          there's relatively little reason to believe they'd hide it in the initial reveal this close to release. It would've taken all of 3 seconds to show. There're reasons to believe it won't have a touchscreen as outlined by Ars. Maybe it will though (I think it probably should), we will see.

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        October 20, 2016 12:54 PM

        I would not be alright with that. Mario Maker is fantastic because you can both build levels and play an infinite number of levels. On a tablet version, you'd only be able to do half of those things.

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          October 20, 2016 12:55 PM

          What?

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            October 20, 2016 12:57 PM

            I think he's implying playing on a tablet is balls because there's no hardware buttons/dpad

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              October 20, 2016 12:58 PM

              Actually I'm not sure if that's what he meant.

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              October 20, 2016 2:25 PM

              It doesn't even apply, there are detachable hardware controllers on the side.

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                October 20, 2016 2:26 PM

                He meant other tablets like an iPad, if this switch tablet doesn't have touch.

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            October 20, 2016 12:57 PM

            Tablet == having touch controls == can't play the levels

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              October 20, 2016 12:59 PM

              I still have no idea what you are saying

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                October 20, 2016 1:02 PM

                Um.

                If you are playing Mario Maker on the tablet, then you will be using touch controls.
                If you are using touch controls, you will not be able to play the levels.
                If you cannot play the levels, you can only do one of the two things Mario Maker is awesome for.
                If you can only do one of the two things Mario Maker is awesome for, then it will no longer be awesome.

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                  October 20, 2016 2:24 PM

                  Why wouldn't you be able to play levels? You do realize there are controllers on the side, just like a WiiU, right?

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                    October 20, 2016 2:28 PM

                    I was talking about tablets, not the Switch.

                    greenbergMD was saying that since the Switch likely doesn't have a touch screen, Mario Maker would go to tablets. That's what I was replying to - levels would be unplayable on a tablet.

                    But what BlackCat9 said below is interesting - make the levels on your favorite tablet device, play them on your favorite Switch.

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                      October 20, 2016 2:31 PM

                      yeah, you have to think about it from the perspective of designing a product for a world where everyone already has a touchscreen capable gaming device. So does yours need a touchscreen to do something unique (particularly in combination with the buttons)? If not, you could save on costs/weight/power consumption.

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                      October 20, 2016 2:35 PM

                      Oh ok.

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          October 20, 2016 12:56 PM

          I agree. Having touch but limiting it to certain games like Super Mario Maker or Kirby & The Rainbow Curse so that TV play isn't neglected, that's totally fine. Eliminating it completely, oof, bad.

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          October 20, 2016 1:01 PM

          Isn't the 3DS version the other half of that equation, though? What if you got the Maker part of the game for free on iOS and the Player part was a paid game for the Switch?

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            October 20, 2016 1:03 PM

            Hm, that might be a decent idea, but I just assumed that the Switch would mean the sunsetting of the 3DS. In that case, it'd be weird to have a tablet/3ds companion game.

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              October 20, 2016 1:05 PM

              Oh, I formed what I was going to say before finishing your sentence. I'd be alright with that - playing it on the Switch while building on the tablet.

              It'd be an awkward separation of the game, but whatever

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            October 20, 2016 1:04 PM

            Now that's a pretty good idea. You make your levels on an iPad or Android tablet in an app. Upload them to a Nintendo Mario Maker cloud and then play them on the Switch. Hot damn, that could work!

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          October 20, 2016 1:03 PM

          I just don't know how else you can produce another Mario Maker without touch, and it's pretty clear that the Switch is intended to be played either on the hand held or in the dock and on a TV. It's completely different from the Wii U philosophy of using the hand held screen along with the TV. Eliminating the touch input probably cuts down manufacturing costs. It also potentially helps with 3rd party development because you remove the requirement for a custom control scheme. It sucks, because that means we may never get another Mario Maker style game.

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        October 20, 2016 1:47 PM

        what would the point of a tablet without touch screen if the controller bits aren't snapped onto it?

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        October 20, 2016 6:56 PM

        I changed my mind, I think its happening, they just chose not to focus on it. Watch the video, what did they keep going back to? The Pro Controller. They wanted to focus on that and the detachable gamepads for the input devices. Why? Touch screens and gyros have a negative stigma with their association with the Wii U and 3DS, even though both are actually awesome input options.

        I suspect that over time they will show off these additional input methods, but first they want to get everyone excited about the system and not thinking about "gimmicks".

        It would be a serious regression if gyros and touchscreens suddenly went away. Touch has been around since the DS and no gyro aiming in Splatoon or Breath Of The Wild would be a big big downgrade.

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      October 20, 2016 12:41 PM

      I can only get so erect.

      http://i.imgur.com/HYbjlEz.png

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        October 20, 2016 2:17 PM

        Oh fuck. That would be amazing.

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        October 20, 2016 6:02 PM

        thats cool where if everyone has a switch you can have a little portable lan party

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      October 20, 2016 1:25 PM

      Great trailer, great design. Nintendo really has a tightrope to walk here with form and functionality. They have to play to their strengths and connect with the widest possible audience. Are the controllers in 2P mode really small? Yeah. Is there a better way to incorporate portable 2P design? I don't think so. So it seems to me they made the right call.

      Also, I really hope this is a Pascal based Tegra processor, which would give the system more room to grow as developers become more familiar with the architecture.. The fact that Nvidia didn't say that explicitly makes me believe it's just an updated Maxwell.

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      October 20, 2016 1:33 PM

      I hope they also make an accessory where you snap in an extra battery for long trips.

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      October 20, 2016 1:41 PM

      Nintendo is innovating in the dad joke space. Think of how many kids will ask for this and instead get a spare light switch that dad had in the garage.

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      October 20, 2016 3:25 PM

      http://imgur.com/a/EVtf4

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      October 20, 2016 4:26 PM

      Looks cool, but I just want the tablet to play mobile Zelda, etc. Maybe they'll have a cheaper version without the base? Probably not, but that would be nice.

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      October 20, 2016 5:10 PM

      I'm really excited about this. It looks absolutely perfect for my kids, especially since we travel so much.

      Nintendo always gets a pass on internals from me since I'm in it for the fun first party titles and a nest gimmick, that way there is no overlap with my PC, unlike Xbox and PS.

      It's an instant buy for my household.

      Bonus points for tegra, I hope Nvidia continues to take over the world.

      As long as the screen is much better than the horrible Wii U tablet screen we're good to go.

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      October 20, 2016 7:30 PM

      These renders make me want to hold out for the eventual different coloured versions and special editions. http://imgur.com/a/FSHaK

      The SNES version would be an insta buy. http://i.imgur.com/7N0AgC7.jpg?1

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      October 22, 2016 9:01 PM

      ❤️

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