Destiny 2.0 update released across all platforms; patch notes available

Bungie has flipped the switch for Destiny's legendary 2.0 update and is now available.


Destiny’s legendary 2.0 update is now live across all platforms.

We previously learned Bungie would be making drastic changes to Destiny's leveling and loot system with the launch of Destiny 2.0, and today, we’re learning more about what went into its 17GB update.

The first thing Destiny players will notice is the level cap has been increased to level 34 for all players, and will yet again be raised once The Taken King is released, to level 40. Character levels will be grandfathered into a Guardian’s highest possible Light Level from all gear in your inventory and vault. In fact, a Guardian’s level and Light are completely separate stats. Light is now calculated by the average of the Attack and Defense scores of all your gear. Weapons, Ghosts, Class Items, and Artifacts will now all contribute to Light.

Some changes have also been made various weapons, armor, the Tower, and some technical improvements. These include allowing cinematics to be skipped, having helmets to be hidden in the Character Screen, and a number of system updates that pertain to storage space. The patch notes are quite long, so feel free to give them a read below:

2.0.0 - The one to prepare for Oryx.

This update begins Destiny Year Two. It contains sweeping changes that will impact the way we all play. Prepare for the arrival of The Taken King.

Player Character

  • Character Level Cap raised to 34 for all players
    • Your Character Level will be grandfathered into your highest possible Light Level from all gear in your inventory and vault 
    • Character Level Cap will be increased to 40 on 9/15 (requires The Taken King)
  • Character Level and Light are now separate stats
    • Light is now calculated by the average of the Attack and Defense scores of all your gear
    • Weapons, Ghosts, Class Items, and Artifacts now all contribute to Light
    • Grimoire Score has been moved from the Character Nameplate and now displays in the Character Screen
  • Attack Power values on weapons and gear have been renormalized in preparation for the Taken King
    • Year 1 Attack and Defense values caps have been renormalized for Year 2 (previously 365 Attack is now 170 Attack) 
    • All Defense values are now on the same scale as Attack
    • Weapon damage numbers and combatants have been scaled against renormalized Attack and Defense values
  • Outgoing and Incoming damage has been changed to reflect new Light system
    • Ability Damage is directly computed from your Light Score
    • Player Health is directly computed from your Light Score
    • Weapon Damage is heavily weighted by both your Light score and the Attack value of the weapon


  • Intellect, Strength, and Discipline now only change their effect in fixed tiers
  • Intellect, Strength, and Discipline stats now display their tier and the exact duration of the effect on the tooltip in the Character Screen
  • Orb generation is now capped to a maximum of 8 orbs at once when wearing exotic armor items that increase orb spawning rates
  • Increased Recovery stat time at low end by 1 second and Reduced high end reduced timer by 2 seconds.  These were re-normalized Recovery stat effects to make a more compelling character stats choice
  • Pulse Grenades secondary effect distance are now globally 8 meters (Thermal and Void: 7 -> 8 meters, Arc: 9 -> 8 meters).  Detonation distance still unchanged at 7 meters
  • Pulse Grenade fuse times have been reduced
  • Thermal Pulse (Incendiary Grenade) base detonation and damage have been increased to unify stats with other Pulse Grenades
  • Fixed an issue where perks that grant additional super energy for grenade kills did not work correctly in the Crucible
  • Line attacks (Fist of Havoc Shockwave and Arc Blade Razor’s Edge) can now no longer penetrate Ward of Dawn
  • Golden Gun Damage increased (350 -> 360) to ensure it consistently killed opponents in the Crucible
  • Arc Blade can now generate up to 6 Orbs when geared with exotic armor that increase orb spawning rates
  • Blink movement ability activation delay increased by 0.07 seconds (0.26 seconds to 0.33 seconds)
  • Blink movement ability visuals now changed to better telegraphing direction: clearer activation FX and trail FX
  • Blink Strike now does Arc Damage
  • Arc Bolt grenades (Thermal and Arc) damage reduced by 25% to 75 damage
  • Arc Bolt Range reduced by 11% to 8 meters
  • Flux Grenade tracking shape volume has been changed to reduce tracking aggressiveness
  • Armor Bonus perk "Strength of the Ram" (found on exotic helmet, The Ram) has been reduced (5->3)
  • Fixed an issue where Sunsingers who self-resurrected from Fireborn were given a free orb upon respawn
  • Fireborn Sunsingers must now successfully kill to spawn orbs

WeaponsRead our detailed review of weapon change philosophies.

Auto Rifles
  • Base Damage increased across all archetypes
  • Damage Falloff now starts closer to the player to emphasize its role as a close range weapon
  • precision shots require more weapon control
  • Damage done against AI combatants increased by 30%
Pulse Rifles
  • All Stable (low recoil) Pulse Rifles (i.e., Hopscotch Pilgrim) now use "Medium" Rate-of-Fire base stats
  • "Medium" Pulse Rifle's Rate-of-Fire has slightly increased, but with base Damage reduced slightly (2.5%)
  • PVP: Bursts-to-kill (all precision hits) is 2 or 3, depending on victim’s Armor stat
  • Magazine Size increased on all base stats
  • Base Stability reduced slightly. Landing consistent precision shots require more weapon control
  • Damage done against AI combatants increased by 25%
Scout Rifles
  • Base Damage increased slightly for "Medium" to "High" Rate-of-Fire Scout Rifles. Small adjustment, does not change shots-per-kill in PVP against another Guardian with full health
  • Magazine Size increased on all base stats
  • Accuracy when firing from hip is reduced
  • Damage done against AI combatants increased by 5%
Hand Cannons
  • Damage Falloff distance has been reduced to be closer to the player to limit long range lethality
  • Accuracy while in Aim-Down-Sights reduced slightly, making long range snap-shooting less reliable
  • Accuracy when firing from hip is reduced
  • Magazine Size reduced on all base stat settings
  • Base Optics (zoom) reduced so Aiming Down Sights grants more width (in favor for depth)
  • Shotgun precision damage scalar grants 10% bonus damage (Was 25%)
  • Shot Package perk reduces the cone spread by 20% (was 50%)
  • Rangefinder perk adds a 10% base Range increase on zoom (was 20)
  • Damage done against AI combatants reduced by 45% ( 2.25-> 1.15)
Sniper Rifles
  • Final Round perk now buffs precision damage, not base damage. This change only affects this perk when combined with Sniper Rifles
Fusion Rifles
  • Fusion Rifles now no longer get more accurate with each projectile fired
  • Fusion Rifles that are slow charging, high impact now have a slightly lower base Range value, making it harder to max out
  • range for these weapons
  • Accuracy increased for low range Fusion Rifles; Accuracy reduced for high range Fusion Rifles
  • Max Fusion Rifle projectile speed decreased slightly
  • Damage done against AI combatants increased by 15%
  • Base Reload Speed increased
  • Ammo Stats for Sidearms have been reduced to match other Secondaries, but still retain starting bonus ammo
Rocket Launchers
  • Blast Radius distance slightly increased
  • Grenades and Horseshoes perk proximity detonation distance reduced to 1.3 meter (was 2 meters)
Machine Guns
  • Fixed an issue with all Dead Orbit Machine Guns where attached plasteel plate failed to animate properly on reloads
  • Damage done against AI combatants increased by 5%

Weapon Perks

  • Reduced Damage bonuses and penalties granted from weapon barrel upgrades
  • Overpenetration perk now only works on bipeds (no longer works on environment materials)
  • Mulligan perk chance increased to 20%
Year One Perks
We have revisted all of these Year One stat perks and reduced the amount they buff your weapon stat to re-normalize against Year Two weapon lethality and reinforce specialization so players are making meaningful trade-offs on weapons. To compensate for the weaker stat perks from launch weapons, we added some new stat perks (introduced in House of Wolves) that provided a significant increase to a stat in exchange for a reduction in other stats. This allows players to be able to spike a stat that reinforces their specialized play style, but at a cost.
  • Accelerated Coils: Reduced charge time by 50%
  • Accurized Ballistics: Reduced range and damage bonus by 50%
  • Aggressive Ballistics: Reduced damage bonus by 50%. Increased stability and range penalties by 100%
  • Aggressive Launch: Reduced damage bonus by 50%. Increased stability and projectile speed penalty by 100%
  • Confined Launch: Increased projectile speed penalty by 25%. Reduced stability bonus by 33%
  • CQB Ballistics: Reduced range bonus by 25%. Reduced stability bonus by 33%
  • Enhanced Battery: Reduced magazine bonus by 60%
  • Extended Mag: Reduced magazine bonus by 33%
  • Field Choke: Reduced damage bonus by 50%. Reduced range bonus by 60%. Reduced stability penalty by 20%
  • Field Scout: No longer affects magazine. Reduced inventory bonus by 37%
  • Fitted Stock: Reduced stability bonus by 60%
  • Flared Magwell: Reduced reload bonus by 80%
  • Hammer Forged: Reduced range bonus by 50%
  • Hand Loaded: Reduced range bonus by 50%
  • Hard Launch: Reduced projectile speed bonus by 50%
  • Heavy Payload: Reduced blast radius bonus by 50%
  • Javelin: Reduced projectile speed bonus by 50%
  • Linear Compensator: Reduced damage bonus by 50%
  • Luck in the Chamber: Reduced damage bonus by 3%
  • Perfect Balance: Reduced stability bonus by 40%
  • Send It: Reduced by range bonus 40%. Inventory and equip penalties added
  • Smart Drift Control: Reduced stability bonus by 40%. Reduced range penalty by 33%
  • Smart Drift Control (Rocket Launcher): 
  • Reduced stability bonus by 40%. Reduced projectile speed penalty by 33%
  • Smallbore: Reduced stability and range bonuses by 25%
  • Smooth Ballistics: Stability bonus made into penalty. Range penalty is now a bonus.
  • Soft Ballistics  : Reduced damage penalty by 50%
  • Soft Launch: Stability bonus made into penalty. Projectile speed penalty is now a bonus.
  • Speed Reload: Reduced reload bonus by 80%
  • Warhead Verniers: Reduced blast radius bonus by 37%. Reduced projectile speed bonus by 60%. Reduced stability penalty by 20%

Exotic/Legendary Weapons

Hard Light
  • Base Stability increased to 80
  • Hard Light projectiles now have increased bounce count
  • Hard Light projectiles are now not affected by Damage Falloff
  • Hard Light projectile FX updated so it is easier to track the projectile ricochets
Suros Regime
  • Stability reduced
  • Added a Range boost to the Focus Fire node on the Talent Grid
  • Base Stability increased to 60
  • Magazine Size increased
  • Cursebringer perk will now always trigger on a precision kill
  • Cursebringer perk explosion radius increased and deals more damage
  • Rangefinder perk has been replaced by Zen Moment
The Last Word
  • Range reduced by 10
  • Base Stability reduced by 10
  • Accuracy while in hip fire is increased
  • Precision Damage aim assist while in hip fire is increased
  • Fixed an issue where damage bonuses while in hip fire was not applying correctly
  • Base Damage of Thorn DoT reduced by 1/3 for both PVE and PVP
  • Thorn DOT now stacks up to 5x over multiple shots
    • This is a net buff, but it is now spread over multiple shots to eliminates the PVP "2-shot walk away."
  • Thorn DoT damage now correctly reports as poison
  • Luck in the Chamber and Holding Aces perks now have a stacking limit of 2.  Only 2 of the bonus damage perks will ever stack, which should eliminate the Hawkmoon 1-hit PVP kill to an undamaged opponent
  • Holding Aces perk now increases magazine by 2 rounds
  • Ammo Recharge time increased to 7 seconds between rounds (was 5 seconds)
  • Reduce damage of Wolfpack Rounds by roughly 1/3
Black Hammer
  • White Nail perk now fills the magazine from your ammo reserves
No Land Beyond
  • Fixed an issue where there were overlap/parallax issues in Sights during aim-down-sights view
  • Base Handling increased
  • The Master perk has an increased base precision damage bonus scalar (2.6x -> 3x)
Lord of Wolves
  • Rally perk now grants +5 Recovery to allies in close proximity
  • Arc detonation chance for Lightning Rounds kill increased to 50%
  • Magazine size increased to offset ammo stat changes
Vex Mythoclast
  • Projectile Speed increased to compensate for global Fusion Rifle changes
  • Stability increased to compensate for global Fusion Rifle changes
Universal Remote
  • Base Range increased by +20
Monte Carlo
  • Stability increased to compensate for global Auto Rifle Changes
  • Fixed an issue where the Method perk did not only trigger when killing players or combatants. Can no longer trigger when "killing" destroyable objects
Bad Juju
  • Stability increased to compensate for global Pulse Rifle changes
Red Death
  • Stability increased to compensate for global Pulse Rifle changes
  • Fixed an issue where Rate of Fire and Impact stats were displayed incorrectly. Stat values were not changed, UI display only
Plan C
  • Range increased to compensate for global Fusion Rifle changes
  • Stability increased to compensate for global Fusion Rifle changes

Exotic Armor

  • Many pieces of Exotic Armor now recolor when a Shader is applied
An Insurmountable Skullfort
  • Gain a second melee charge for Storm Fist and Sun Strike. (It doesn’t apply to Void melee yet—this is a bug I believe we have fixed in 2.0.1.)
Spine of Young Ahamkara
  • Bonus to Tripmine grenade duration increased
  • Gain a second grenade charge for Tripmine grenade
Heart of Praxic Fire
  • Gain bonus Agility when Radiance is active


  • Year 1 Activities have been converted into Quest system
    • Year One Questlines do not require ownership of The Taken King
    • You can replay the story for more experience and reputation by looking at the Quest Collections in the Tower
  • The Ghost is now voiced by Nolan North
  • Fallen Wolf Hunt Patrols will retreat in anticipation of the arrival of Oryx in our solar system
  • Fixed an issue where "Medic" and "Blast Shield" PVP medals displayed while playing PVE activities 
  • Players now are required to participate in the boss fights to be eligible for end-of-activity loot.
  • Bonus Loot and Reputation can now be earned via Vanguard Streak Bonuses for players who continue to recycle back into the Strike playlist without exiting to Orbit
  • Burn (Arc, Void, Solar) Skulls now only increases player damage by 2x (down from 3x). Combatant damage to player is unchanged at 3x.
  • Fixed an issue where the incident for completing a strike (i.e., earning the "Strikes Introduction" grimoire card) was not triggering in Strike playlists
Prison of Elders
  • Fixed an issue where the “Servitor Bonds Weakened” buff did not clear when Skolas is pushed into phase 2 
  • Fixed an issue where the web mine FX extended beyond effect area 
  • Fixed an issue where the rewards for Skolas’s Revenge does not grant "Hildian Seeker" to players who already have Ceres Galliot 
  • Glimmer Consumable drop rates reduced drastically from the Arena chest
  • Removed the Elder Cipher exotic bounty 
    • These exotics now have a chance to drop from the large chest in the Queen’s Arena
    • Players who were on any step of the elder cipher should receive a token to redeem at Variks for their choice of House of Wolves exotic weapon
King's FallKing's Fall Raid will unlock on 09/18/15, 10AM Pacific


  • Quest Screen added to Menu
    • The Quest Screen allows you to view all active Quests
    • Quests may be abandoned, but they are recoverable at Abandoned Quest Archives at the Tower
    • Each Quest has a Details Screen that describes the current and previous quest steps
    • Up to four Quests can now be viewed in the Director and while in Nav Mode 
  • Year One Activities have been converted into Quest system
  • New Questlines have been added for each Year One Subclass
  • Reputation panel has been moved from the Inventory screen to the Quest Screen


  • Bounty slot size increased to 16
  • Incomplete Year 1 Bounties are auto-abandoned on 09/08 in preparation for The Taken King launch
  • Incomplete Year 1 Exotic Bounties are auto-completed at their respective Vendors
  • Bounties are now turned in for completion reward via the Quest Screen
  • Bounties can now be tracked via the new Progress UI in NavMode
  • Eris Year 1 bounties will be retired. Reputation with Crota's Bane can continue to be earned via TTK Quests on 09/15


  • All Vendor reputation from Year One carry over
  • Collections have been added to the Tower 
    • Shaders & Emblems Collections can be found near Eva Levante in North Tower
    • Ships & Sparrow Collections can be found near Amanda Holiday in Tower Hanger
    • Exotic Armor & Weapon Blueprint Collections can be found near the Class Mentors
  • Vault space has been increased to store up to 72 Weapons, 72 Armors, and 36 General 
  • The Bounty vendor, Xander-99, has a new stock of daily Bounties 
  • Map droids have been removed from North Tower, Plaza, and Hangar 
  • Loot announcements now appear in the Tower, but have a maximum range of 10 meters
  • Starting on 09/09, reputation will be earned with Banshee-44 by using his Field Test Weapons
  • New Ghosts are on sale with the Speaker
  • Year One Emblems have been moved to Eva Levante
  • Faction Emblems are no longer purchasable but will come from faction packages instead
  • Former Vanguard emblems are now unlocked at level 10 and 20 of their respective class quest chains

Crota’s Bane
  • Eris’ bounties have been retired as her ire shifts from Crota to Oryx and his Dreadnaught
  • Eris reputation can now be earned weekly by killing bosses in the Crota’s End raid, or through new methods to be discovered in The Taken King’s new destination
  • Eris’ reputation requirements for each rank have been adjusted to be faster
  • Characters will retain any rank they currently have with Eris
  • Eris’ reputation is no longer capped at Rank 4, and players will receive reward packages for Rank increases
  • Players will be able to earn rewards by continuing to level up the Crota’s Bane reputation

Queen’s Wrath
  • With the launch of The Taken King, Petra will have new bounties available in the Reef upon completing a new quest
    • These bounties will also drop a Treasure Key the first time one is completed each week


  • Class-specific Armor materials have been deprecated in favor of a unified material
    • On Sept 15th, Vanguard Quartermaster Roni-9940 will exchange old materials for new ones
  • Fixed a bug where item upgrade UI was triggering when nothing was actually earned
  • Armor dismantle now makes a sound when dismantling is complete
  • Year Two Weapon Telemetries have now been combined per weapon slot instead of per weapon type


Preview Event
  • The Taken King maps will be available for all players to preview for free 09/08 until 09/15
  • Rift game mode will be available for all players to preview for free 09/08 until 09/15
  • Crucible Daily will not be available on 09/08 and will resume on 09/15
  • Mayhem Clash game mode will be available for all players to preview for free from 09/11 until 09/15

  • House of Wolves maps (Widow’s Court, Black Shield, Thieves’ Den) are now available to all Destiny players
  • Year 1 Platform-exclusive maps (The Timekeeper, Exodus Blue) are now available to all Destiny players
  • Added a new Mercy rule that will end blowout games early
    • When the Mercy Rule hits, Shaxx will call out the end of the match. We immediately disable join in progress to prevent any additional players from joining the game (if anyone has dropped already) and reset the game clock to 10 seconds. After those 10 seconds, the match will end normally. All players will receive their end of match rewards and return to matchmaking.
    • More detail about this system can be found here
  • Legendary Loot drop rates have been increased
  • PVP post-game scoreboards now use abbreviated names
    • Hover over these stat headers to see more detailed information on what each stat tracks
  • The PGCR now does not display the "Score" column if the mode does not have individual player scores
  • Shaxx will now comment on multi-kills and kill streaks
  • "Victory Imminent" voice-over will no longer play when there is less than 30 seconds remaining in Crucible matches

  • Salvage and Rift are now core Crucible playlists
  • The Taken King maps are now included in the core Crucible playlists
  • Added set of new Crucible medals
  • Buckshot Bruiser, Machine Lord, Sharpshooter, and Master Blaster medals can now be earned multiple times in a row (if you're awesome enough)
  • Fixed an issue where "First Place Kill" score bonus (which triggers the "Uprising" medal) was awarded when killing the highest scoring player on the winning team, instead of the highest scoring player in the match
Widow’s Court
  • Added invisible physics to keep players from hiding in the ivy overlooking the courtyard Heavy Ammo 

Game Types
  • Reduced Salvage score limit from 10000 to 7500, as our data showed too many games were ending to the time limit
  • Modified the base 3v3 options to have a 7-second min respawn timer
  • Modified the base 3v3 options to have a 7-second min respawn timer
  • Changed special ammo crate timing for Inferno Clash, Inferno Control and Inferno Rumble modes to 2 minutes (small team modes will remain at 3 minutes)
  • Removed heavy ammo crates from all Inferno playlists
  • Placing in the top 3 in Rumble playlists now counts as a win for Quest Step purposes
  • Bastion, First Light, and Skyshock have been added to the core Control playlist with Pikes and Interceptors disabled
  • "Zone Captured" and "Zone Neutralized" scoring messages in Control will now display the zone being captured, i.e. "Zone A Captured," "Zone C Neutralized"
Trials of Osiris
  • Trials Passage Coins are now discarded by the stack rather than by the item


  • Super icons in kill messages are now displayed in yellow
  • Added icons to kill messages for precision kills
  • Super kill messages now display the name of the Super used
  • Voice channel settings in Nav Mode have been moved into the Nav Mode toggle display, which also includes quests & bounties, active modifiers, and PvP Scoreboard


  • Cinematics can now be skipped
  • Show/Hide Helmet options now also applies to the Character Screen
  • Unused update compat packs will be removed automatically on PS3 and 360 (to save HDD space)
  • Fixed a crash on PS3 when cycling through too many activities
  • Properly report free space required on PS3 when out of disk space
  • Enabled support for game content to be loaded from USB devices on Xbox 360
  • Improved Xbox One messaging and flow handling for users performing certain party options; the Pineapple error should only occur for actual malfunctions now
  • Fixed an Xbox One issue with suspend/resume on certain loading screens
  • If there is a valid playlist, use that for rich presence instead of the activity
  • Reduced latency of kill notifications in Crucible
  • Improved damage validation systems to reduce the effectiveness of players with extreme lag
  • Improved accuracy of network quality meters slightly
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    September 8, 2015 11:24 AM

    Daniel Perez posted a new article, Destiny 2.0 update released across all platforms; patch notes available

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      September 8, 2015 11:49 AM

      all the new stuff: like ten pages of it

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      September 8, 2015 11:54 AM

      yikes they nerfed the shit outta the shotguns.

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        September 8, 2015 12:12 PM

        Yeah. I understand reducing the range bonuses, but that seems excessive.

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          September 8, 2015 12:31 PM

          Shotguns cannot be balanced in games. AKA any weapon that allows a one or two shot cannot be balanced regardless of the risk involved.

          This update sounds like it will be year of the auto rifle.

          CQC in higher end PvE/raid content is laughable.

          RIP Invective and Sword Breaker.

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            September 8, 2015 4:37 PM

            I disagree, particularly for PvE. Being able to take down one or two generic tank mobs (think Hive Knights) relatively quickly is certainly valuable, but you have to get so close (even if you've optimized for range) that it tends to expose you to quite a lot of fire. Between that and it being essentially useless outside of close range, you've got a significant tactical trade-off.

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      September 8, 2015 11:56 AM

      Notable changes from the preview:

      1) shotguns are getting a more significant PvE nerf than previously stated (45%). This is idiotic; they were only useful because of the huge damage.

      2) fusion rifles got a decent PvE buff. They may compete with snipers for the special slot in PvE, but probably in limited situations and never for high end content (just my opinion of course).

      3) Clarification on pulse rifles; slow rate of fire (Messenger/hopscotch pilgrim) will gain medium rate of fire stats and will become 2 or 3 shot kills in crucible based on enemy armor. People were theorizing that pulse rifles would become the new meta, but I think this sets them back a great deal because the high stability archetype is getting a huge nerf.

      4) Auto rifles are getting a bigger PvE buff than previously stated and should be useful in more situations. I will be playing with the Necrochasm a lot this week before it goes back to the shelf for TTK.

      5) THIS IS A BIG ONE. There are a lot of changes to the subclasses! Multiple grenades are receiving nerfs, especially the bolt archetype. Range is reduced on most of them and damage for the arc bolt is severely reduced down to 75hp. Razors edge no longer enters the Titan bubble. Read up more on this section for details.

      6) Young Ahamkara Spine !!! Adds an extra tripmine for hunters and further extends the duration of the mine.... WHAT?

      7) The Ram is nerfed. Fook yo armur, mate.

      8) just more and more.... It's going to be very interested to hop back in after the download finishes (22 minutes...)

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        September 8, 2015 12:03 PM

        Check the armory on for the new exotics. They are very cool!!

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          September 8, 2015 12:07 PM

          OMG that awesome warlock helm that is a clear, starry dome reduces blink cooldown and increases travel distance..... WHAT

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            September 8, 2015 12:14 PM

            Blerg so many kinetic damage exotic primaries...

            Bungie, please

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              September 8, 2015 12:19 PM

              The new armor looks awesome, but the new weapons are less impressive at first glance. The blinding sniper might be the best pick really.

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                September 8, 2015 12:20 PM

                Jumping into a game of Rift now! Going to start with Thorn and see the nerf at play.

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                  September 8, 2015 12:32 PM

                  Holy crap that was intense! Thorn is still very good. Shotguns are decent. Very fast paced action in Rift.

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                    September 8, 2015 12:35 PM

                    The nerf to blink didn't make it any weaker in terms of mobility. It is still damn good

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        September 8, 2015 12:37 PM


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        September 8, 2015 12:40 PM

        You forgot the big one. No more fucking light.

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          September 8, 2015 12:43 PM

          Except it's still there, and sounds even more demanding than before.

          Ability Damage is directly computed from your Light Score
          Player Health is directly computed from your Light Score
          Weapon Damage is heavily weighted by both your Light score and the Attack value of the weapon

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            September 8, 2015 12:49 PM

            Yeah but you can just level to 34 by exp right?

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              September 8, 2015 1:02 PM

              There are more gear slots, exotics don't even start at max light, you will need to farm raid gear to power up your exotics and non-raid legendaries.

              If the light cap puts you higher above the end game content (unlike year one) then I could see it being less of an issue, but if maxing light just barely puts you in line with TTK end game content, then it sounds like a worse grind.

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              September 8, 2015 2:11 PM


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                September 8, 2015 2:27 PM

                Yes, the new system is in place right now. So if you didn't already have gear to get you to 34, you will be able to get there with XP

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                September 8, 2015 2:33 PM

                Not the first time I heard it, and I still find interesting. I will agree that Destiny does not explain much if anything up front on game mechanics, and lore, but leveling past cap always seemed straight forward to me. At least the "how to" the benefits involved for doing so are a different mystery entirely.

                As for your question, if I understand correctly you will be able to properly level up to 40. However light level is still going to play a significant part beyond that towards your special, health and damage.

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          September 8, 2015 12:47 PM

          I was listing changes that were different from the preview we got a couple months ago

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        September 8, 2015 2:26 PM

        RIP bolt grenade triple kills in Trials. Will be very very interesting to see how trials is with the new patch when they bring it back.

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          September 8, 2015 2:26 PM

          Yep. It looks like lightning grenade just shot to the top of the list.

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            September 8, 2015 2:30 PM

            Firebolt should still be pretty good when combined with viking funeral but that is a huge nerf to the arc bolt grenades. The nerf to shoguns in PVE is really crazy to me and hopefully they are still useable but I haven't heard from anyone who has had a chance to check them out yet.

            The buff to AR's

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              September 8, 2015 2:31 PM

              hit post too soon there. The AR buff in PVE is really nice though so I am looking forward to that.

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        September 8, 2015 2:27 PM

        That shotgun nerf seems quite fucking crazy to me. They were FUN but risky, so in that way balanced. Now they will go sit on the dusty shelf that the autorifles used to sit on.

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      September 8, 2015 1:27 PM

      The Ghost is now voiced by Nolan North

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      September 8, 2015 4:20 PM

      Bungie profiles are back up to see what you ended up with as of the changes. (If you're still at work like me)

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