The Last of Us dev says Blu-ray capacity is a 'bottleneck'

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During the tail end of the last generation, it became clear that DVD was no longer go to cut it as a format for games. Many popular Xbox 360 games shipped on multiple discs, including Grand Theft Auto 5 and Call of Duty: Ghosts. Although Blu-ray offers five times more storage space, will that be sufficient for the new generation of consoles? Perhaps not.

The upcoming PS4 port of The Last of Us must take into consideration the 50GB limit of Blu-ray, Naughty Dog's Neil Druckmann claims. "Our cinematics are now running at 1080p and 60fps, and that involved rendering them all from scratch," he told Edge (via CVG). "It's interesting that now [instead of a technical bottleneck], the bottleneck is 'Can we fit all this on the disc?'"

The PS3 version clocks in at 27GB. However, the move to higher-resolution textures, character models, and cinematics, inflate the PS4 version's file size.

Of course, being a port of a PS3 game, the game is nowhere as optimized as a native game. Rendering the cutscenes in real-time, for example, would offer a tremendous file size savings. Still, should this generation of consoles last as long as the previous one, perhaps it won't be too surprising if we see two-disc Blu-ray releases by the time it's all done.

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    May 9, 2014 7:00 AM

    Andrew Yoon posted a new article, The Last of Us dev says Blu-ray capacity is a 'bottleneck'.

    During the tail end of the last generation, it became clear that DVD was no longer go to cut it as a format for games. Many popular Xbox 360 games...

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      May 9, 2014 7:32 AM

      My personal opinion is that optical disc is going to vanish by 2020.

      Games are getting larger, optical discs are slow, expensive to produce, and so on.

      I think streaming games from companies servers is the future, similar to a cloud setup so to speak.

      I personally have never boughten a single blu-ray dvd or disc ever.

      I have a blu-ray player, yet i use it to stream netflix to the TV lol...and i have a Apple TV...i plan to dump the blu-ray player sooner or later

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        May 9, 2014 7:34 AM

        Streaming games and video aren't going to replace physical discs until the ridiculous ISP bandwidth caps and throttling go away. And with net neutrality getting bent over the table lately that isn't going to happen any time soon.

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          May 9, 2014 1:05 PM

          You will just pray extra for a games package that allows downloads from MS and Sony at high speed and no cap. Ms and Sony will also pay the ISP for this double dipping.

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        May 9, 2014 8:00 AM

        I'm okay with discs going away BUT HDDs need to be A LOT bigger. A person's game library can be huge over the life of the console.

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          May 9, 2014 8:36 AM

          I'm going to be switching hard drives like I did with memory cards in the PS1 days.

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          May 9, 2014 9:14 AM

          You wouldn't keep every game you own on the HDD at all times. You get back in to ISP Bandwidth cap discussions if you re-download games all the time but I don't find myself going back to old games all that much.

          I could see keeping the 5 or 6 most recent games and then maybe downloading an old one every couple months.

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            May 9, 2014 10:58 AM

            Games are constantly getting bigger, though. It's not a shock to see 20 or 30gb games anymore.

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        May 9, 2014 8:13 AM

        There's no way I can put up with the picture or sound quality of streaming movies until they are a match for a good quality bluray.

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          May 9, 2014 12:24 PM

          Yeah. I just got Pacific Rim on Blu-Ray and it looks a fuckton better than anything I watch on Netflix.

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            May 9, 2014 2:18 PM

            Yeah don't get me wrong, I can watch a movie on satellite TV or streaming and still 'enjoy' it, but it just isn't going to have the same impact. I threw on Prometheus tonight and despite the many issues the film has, its very impressive on the visual and audio side of things when you don't have to deal with low bitrate and a lack of dynamic range in the sound.

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          May 9, 2014 12:25 PM

          I love streaming and watch streaming stuff all the time, but you're definitely right that it never lives up to Bluray quality.

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        May 9, 2014 8:47 AM

        my poor bandwidth cap :'(

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        May 9, 2014 9:32 AM

        Redbox! I rent all my Blu-Ray movies there and it is cheap and convenient. Cheaper than downloads.

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        May 9, 2014 10:31 AM

        and yet, the outrage at xbox one a year ago .............

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          May 9, 2014 10:41 AM

          This shit isn't changing anytime soon. Games are getting bigger, and our internet isn't getting faster. Couple that with increased presence of "caps" and this FCC shit of late, and I really don't think we're going to be going digital-only on consoles for a *long* time.

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            May 9, 2014 10:55 AM

            Why not? Most PCs are digital only at this point. A 1 TB HDD is really inexpensive at this point and will fit every game you could possibly want installed.

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              May 9, 2014 10:58 AM

              caps = bandwidth caps. comcast is slowly rolling out a 300gb a month cap and no one is fighting it because they're doing it a few large cities at a time. you watch twitch or netflix on high quality you will hit it nearly every month. you add on bluray sized games and you're paying $10 to comcast for every game you download over 300gb

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              May 9, 2014 10:58 AM

              Did.... Did you read his post? Because he didn't mention hdd size once, and he listed several other valid reasons "why".

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                May 9, 2014 11:08 AM

                Talk to me like I'm five, because I don't get it. Digital only has worked fine for PCs for almost seven years now, but somehow it can't work on consoles.

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                  May 9, 2014 11:26 AM

                  The only thing I can think of is that console owners on average have worse internet connections than PC types. But I have never seen evidence of that.

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            May 9, 2014 10:56 AM

            i download games all the time on PC. plus, they were going to be streaming on the xbox, so that the first part of the game was downloaded first. right ??

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          May 9, 2014 11:01 AM

          Hey, they could have actually gone all PC and said: discs for installs only, no resale, but we're dropping the MSRP of new games to 44.99$

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        May 9, 2014 11:06 AM

        I am not sure that US broadband will have caught up enough by 2020 to obviate the need for selling physical media. Especially in rural areas where there probably still won't be high speed internet connectivity.

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        May 9, 2014 12:24 PM

        Optical media isn't going to "vanish" until the vast vast majority of the market can stream in full HD quality. Our infrastructure is a long way from that. Also, "boughten"?

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        May 9, 2014 12:33 PM

        I think the next console generation will include versions with out an optical drive, but I think there will still be versions with a drive. Kinda like what Sony did with the vita. Many people for varies catches will still need to buy a disc. But at the same time so many people won't need to either and the cost savings from removing that hardware will start to look pretty attractive.

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        May 9, 2014 12:46 PM

        I'd hold off on that opinion until the major content providers (Google, Amazon, Netflix, facebook, etc.), the FCC, and the top ISPs finish having their battle over the way Internet access is supplied to the consumer.

        If the ISPs have their way, and it's legalized to charge content providers extra just so they don't get throttled, then the advent of streaming video games or just the complete switch to digital distribution will be put off.

        Hopefully not, because I think digital distribution is awesome, especially places like Steam. The only thing they lack is a good rewards system and a buy/sell market a la Gamestop.

        I know Gamestop doesn't hold the popular opinion, and for good reasons, but many can't deny that the rewards system and buy/sell of used games helps the customer. Seriously, I've looked at the numbers and sometimes I wouldn't be able to afford games if it wasn't for placing my wallet with Gamestop.

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      May 9, 2014 7:49 AM

      Agreed, hence why i stated 2020 :)

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        May 9, 2014 7:51 AM

        I still think that's optimistic. I doubt the fucked up ISP mess in the US is going to be cleaned up in 6 years.

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        May 9, 2014 9:13 AM

        People still want to sell their used games for $5-10. That killed MSFT's plans for a digital future for the near term.

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      May 9, 2014 7:54 AM

      Possibly, my shitty ISP has the following

      *Bandwidth amount allowed: 2Mbps (50GB) 8Mbps (200GB) 15Mbps (300GB) 35Mbps (400GB)
      Bandwidth monitored between 5:00pm and 1:00am
      Excessive Bandwidth overages charge of $1.00 per GB

      i have the 15mbps plan, so i get 300gb per month...

      but they only monitor between 5:00p.m and 1:00a.m, so i generally go buckwild during the day via remote desktop when i am work, do all my heavy downloads then

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      May 9, 2014 8:51 AM

      Thats why net neutrality was defeated....watch your wallets.

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      May 9, 2014 8:51 AM

      Why not use two discs? The 360 has plenty of multi-disc games. You could do a hybrid install, where the game is on the HD, but those massive 1080p cutscenes are on one of the discs.

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        May 9, 2014 9:07 AM

        I thought all of the cutscenes in The Last of Us were real time.

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          May 9, 2014 10:12 AM

          quick google indicates they were in-engine, but pre-rendered at higher quality

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            May 9, 2014 12:21 PM

            for next-gen they should just do them in-engine and not saved as video files... that would save a TON of disk space.

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      May 9, 2014 9:46 AM

      I thought their cinematics were all real-time in engine... didn't realize they were pre-rendered in engine.

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      May 9, 2014 10:52 AM

      Haha consoles and their optical media. All hail Steam and the PC Master race!

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      May 9, 2014 11:28 AM

      Tail end? It was a problem 2 years in.

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      May 9, 2014 12:11 PM

      So put it on a fricken CDR that links to a naughty dog download server or something. The money they would save on disc production would probably pay a good chunk of the server cost. Or if that doesn’t work because people in 3rd world countries with no internet somehow have enough money to buy a PS4 then make two versions of the game. One for people who live in a country that has this thing called the internet, and one with lower texture quality for the Chinese farmers/drug cartels in the jungle/people who live in the middle of bumfuck nowhere. FFS just figure it out instead of making a stupid statement to a gaming news website about ‘oh noes we’re out of space we better take shit off the disc’ >_<

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        May 9, 2014 1:00 PM

        what you have just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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          May 9, 2014 2:19 PM

          So you see, bluray was like industry. In that, they were both lost in the woods. And nobody, especially naughty dog – “society” knew where to find ‘em. Except that bluray held more than 27 gigs. But the industry, my friends, that was a revolution.
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