PS4 hard drive is user-replaceable

PlayStation 4 will support user-replaceable hard drives, just like PS3.

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Note: Shacknews apologizes if you're getting tired of these stories that point out what PS4 can do that Xbox One cannot.

PlayStation 4 will support user-replaceable hard drives. According to Sony's Shuhei Yoshida, hard drives are upgradeable "like PS3." PS3 used standard notebook hard drives which could be swapped rather easily. Xbox 360, on the other hand, relied on proprietary hard drives for a bulk of the console's life.

PS4 will launch with a 500GB hard drive, but should that not be enough, you can simply buy a larger one. (Terabyte drives go for well under $100.)

Xbox One does not support user-replaceable hard drives. However, that console does support external USB 3.0 storage devices.

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    June 11, 2013 1:17 AM

    Andrew Yoon posted a new article, PS4 hard drive is user-replacable.

    PlayStation 4 will support user-replaceable hard drives, just like PS3.

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      June 11, 2013 1:24 AM

      Region free, SSD can be installed, No Aussie rip off pricing, not too ugly (at least it looks good vertical)
      All I need is confirmation ALL disc games can be loaded on to the HDD to make my laser last longer, which is pretty likely.....

      It's like these fuckers want me to buy my first at launch console >:(

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        June 11, 2013 1:25 AM

        Me too man, user-installable SSD is potentially huge for me (if it has a performance impact, which it didn't particularly for PS3)

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          June 11, 2013 1:26 AM

          Just dropped one in my PS3, many games not much difference. GT5 went from a 5/10 game for me to a 7/10 - the difference is that big. Seriously.

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            June 11, 2013 1:42 AM

            Oh I fucking hate loading times so I appreciate the huge difference it can make. I just wonder what impact it'd have on PS4 with all the streaming shit they're doing now - I guess Digital Foundry will do a few tests ASAP.

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              June 11, 2013 1:49 AM

              Let's assume I'm right about installing FULL games to HDD on the PS4, the difference could be significant.


              Man it makes a diff in GT5, SO much difference. I don't hate the game anymore.

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            June 11, 2013 1:54 AM

            You see the GT6 stuff? I thought it looked really good for PS3

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              June 11, 2013 2:05 AM

              GT5 is still worse than GT4, it's missing one thing I really like and it's extremely 'time grindy' at the start. I don't think I'm in for more PD games, period. I love Forza TBH.

              All I want is ONE car which I can mod the SHIT out of and run in like 70% of races and bond with it, same as I did with GT4.

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                June 11, 2013 12:19 PM

                What car was that? I pretty much raced a BMW M3 GTR in everything I could in GT4 until I had to swap it for the Toyota Minolta for the race car stuff.

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                  June 11, 2013 3:22 PM

                  GT4 I had an MX5 or RX7 which I used and loved for well,... ages and it worked in most races. I think it was a silver MX5 and that was 7 years ago I'm remembering that joy.


                  GT5 feels more like Forza with constant need to change cars at the start for custom events and it makes me sad. I want to "save up" for a nice M3 Coupe and mod the shit out of it and the game is making that impossible due to so many different race types.
                  It's also making it hard to FIND the fucking car I want (04 model I think) because not all cars are for sale yet and making money is slow and grindy. I don't have hours and hours and hours to play :/

                  GT5 makes me wish I was 15 again with virtually limitless time. :/ alas I can't do it anymore car games, I just can't.

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        June 11, 2013 1:26 AM

        OMG Note: Shacknews apologizes if you're getting tired of these stories that point out what PS4 can do that Xbox One cannot. ... lollllllll

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          June 11, 2013 1:41 AM

          Well at least the last five news articles have each been one point against xbone and for the ps4.

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          June 11, 2013 1:51 AM

          leave xbox alone!!! :(

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            June 11, 2013 2:00 AM

            Loyalties aside, people should be making an informed purchase.

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              June 11, 2013 2:24 AM

              Yup and all these articles are doing an amazing job of informing us that the PS4 will give us more bang for the buck.

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        June 11, 2013 1:18 PM

        I doubt it will support trim, so you may get diminishing returns with an SSD.

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          June 11, 2013 1:19 PM

          Most modern drives have this built into the firmware now. It doesn't need to be supported by the OS anymore.

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            June 11, 2013 2:45 PM

            There are still top of the line SSDs being sold that need trim. Samsung's 840 and 840 Pro SSDs are huge sellers, and need either trim or a windows-only application to work properly.

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            June 11, 2013 2:49 PM

            I don't understand how that can work. The problem trim solves is that in most filesystems, the OS will just delete a file from the filesystem data structures without actually zero'ing out the blocks. This means when it comes time to write to that block, the drive has to zero it before writing. This harms write performance.

            Because the drive has no knowledge of the filesystem structure, it can't pre-emptively zero out blocks. The trim command is the mechanism for notifying the drive which blocks are safe to zero. For a drive to do that based on some logic in its firmware, it would have to know about NTFS / PS3/4 fs / whatever other filesystem is on the drive. I find that doubtful.

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              June 11, 2013 3:27 PM

              Considering how goddamn long the ps3 takes to delete files I wouldn't be surprised if it zeroes out the space. 10 gigs literally just took 10 minutes to delete.

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              June 11, 2013 3:59 PM

              Built in garbage collection is plenty for a console HDD. You aren't making small changes often and dealing with lots of small files where you are going to have a lot of half-written blocks. Built in garbage collection will make it a complete non-issue where you probably won't ever get to the point of it being a performance problem on a console HDD even if you didn't have it.

              Trim is also unnecessary for the same reason as you don't make enough writes to a console HDD for it be of any real use. And as mentioned below the deletion of files on the PS3 takes some time so it's obviously physically allocating the space rather than just marking part of the file system as usable again. Many file systems actually do this with files that are larger than their block allocations or if the file is over X number of blocks large.

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                June 11, 2013 11:34 PM

                OK, well, apologies for the pedantry but built-in GC isn't the same thing as trim. I agree that it's probably enough for a console though.

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          June 11, 2013 2:52 PM

          Thankfully, lack of trim only harms write performance.

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        June 11, 2013 5:28 PM

        SSD you say? For some reason I didn't think of that.

        Hmmmmm.

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          June 11, 2013 7:08 PM

          Plextor mate, cheap - fast, reliable. GT5 load times, huge huge difference.

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      June 11, 2013 1:43 AM

      MOTHERFUCKING SOLD.

      work fixed my pay and i got 6weeks of back pay. time to pre order.

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      June 11, 2013 12:36 PM

      Not making the drive replaceable seems like a huge mistake from MS. Who wants a USB hard drive (that has to be plugged in) by their tv because MS couldn't let you swap the drive? Even the 360 let you buy MS branded drives to upgrade which while total bullshit is still better than this. This is basically a repeat of MS's decision to ship an 360 without a hard drive.

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      June 11, 2013 12:38 PM

      Whoa whoa whoa, I could slap in an ssd? Oh that rules.

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      June 11, 2013 12:47 PM

      Just curious, anyone here actually replace their PS3 hard drive?

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        June 11, 2013 12:49 PM

        I don't think it's uncommon, I have and I know there are plenty more here.

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          June 11, 2013 12:56 PM

          I got the 80GB MGS4 version and I've definitely had to uninstall a few things.

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        June 11, 2013 12:55 PM

        Yeah, 60GB ain't shit. Some people had 20GB models.

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        June 11, 2013 12:59 PM

        Yeah, I replaced my 60GB drive originally because I was running out of space with buying most of the late generation games digitally but then I also went with a SSD and it really has helped with load times on downloaded games.

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        June 11, 2013 1:00 PM

        Yeah it's pretty easy to do just pop out slide new one in.

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        June 11, 2013 1:00 PM

        Yeah, I put in a larger one.

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        June 11, 2013 1:02 PM

        Immediately after buying the system. Went from the 160 to a 500 and got an external drive out of it.

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        June 11, 2013 1:02 PM

        Yeah I've got an old as hell 20gig that I stuck a 200gig in. Super easy to do.

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        June 11, 2013 1:05 PM

        Yup, put an SSD in

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        June 11, 2013 1:07 PM

        yes, I went from 60GB -> 500GB

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        June 11, 2013 1:20 PM

        Yes. 1TB

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        June 11, 2013 1:27 PM

        ive replaced several hard drives for people whos drives died. it was easy to just grab one off the shelf and get them fixed up on the spot

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        June 11, 2013 1:28 PM

        Nah. Now you mention it though I have a spare 40GB and my 60GB isn't even close to full.

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        June 11, 2013 1:56 PM

        I did in my 60gb.

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        June 11, 2013 2:03 PM

        I did on my original unit before I sold it

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        June 11, 2013 2:05 PM

        yeah i put a 300gb drive in my launch ps3

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        June 11, 2013 2:07 PM

        Yup, 60GB isn't very much

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        June 11, 2013 2:13 PM

        Yeah. I filled mine up extremely quick.

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        June 11, 2013 2:24 PM

        still rockin the 40. ive only had to delete stuff once or twice. shows how much of a console gamer I am i guess.

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        June 11, 2013 2:25 PM

        Yup

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        June 11, 2013 2:44 PM

        I didn't, didn't download many games or movies, but I do know a lot of people who did. Even today, the guy I work with, who worked over night and missed all the hype yesterday, first question was, how big is the hard drive.

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        June 11, 2013 3:20 PM

        320gig, i have 13 installed games and about 120 installed demos. about 100gig free at the moment.

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        June 11, 2013 3:24 PM

        Yup. 60GB->160GB->500GB

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        June 11, 2013 3:32 PM

        How does one go about doing this? I guess I could google it, but I want to add to the conversation damnit!

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        June 11, 2013 3:47 PM

        Replace my 120gb hard drive inside my slim for a 1tb.

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        June 11, 2013 4:50 PM

        Never needed to, cool option though.

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      June 11, 2013 1:25 PM

      and the list of reasons why just keeps getting better. i'm in, sony. you win in my book.

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      June 11, 2013 2:15 PM

      Amazing.

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      June 11, 2013 2:21 PM

      This is just another great feature. It is really surprising MS didn't even match the stuff like this that they knew was coming.

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      June 11, 2013 2:39 PM

      hopefully i can just stick my 250gb ps3 drive into it

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      June 11, 2013 2:50 PM

      Ps4 is looking mighty good. I really was behind the 360 but I don't see myself buying an Xbox one for a long long time. I was going to wait a year but at $399 buying at launch is a serious consideration now.

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        June 11, 2013 5:23 PM

        I haven't bought a launch console since GameCube but I preordered this.

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      June 11, 2013 5:21 PM

      Has day one digital purchases been confirmed at all for PS4?

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        June 11, 2013 5:23 PM

        Considering sony is already doing day-1 digital on the PS3 it'll probably be an option on the PS4 that's up to the publisher.