Report: Source Engine 2 files discovered

Notes in the Source Filmmaker files seem to indicate that Valve is actively developing a Source 2 engine.

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Valve's proprietary Source Engine is getting up in years, and the company hasn't seemed eager to replace it. But a few files reportedly buried in the Source Filmmaker imply that perhaps a new iteration of Source is on the way after all.

Valve Time reports that the script files for Filmmaker contain more than 60 references to Source 2. One references to "current engine version" and "next-gen 'Source 2'" in particular. A user also pointed out Source 2 tool icons in the SFM files.

Obviously, this information hasn't been confirmed by Valve, so take it with a grain of salt. Last year the company noted that it prefers to update its existing engine, rather than put the work into a full overhaul. Shacknews has contacted Valve regarding the report and will update as more information becomes available.

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    August 6, 2012 8:15 AM

    Steve Watts posted a new article, Report: Source Engine 2 files discovered.

    Notes in the Source Filmmaker files seem to indicate that Valve is actively developing a Source 2 engine.

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      August 6, 2012 8:35 AM

      I'm going to assume that if this means anything at all it's just a package of new development tools rather than a new engine.

      • Zek legacy 10 years
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        August 6, 2012 9:15 AM

        "New engines" are all about marketing, nobody ever actually reinvents everything from scratch.

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      August 6, 2012 8:48 AM

      ! Half Life 3 on Source 2 keep the dream alive

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        August 6, 2012 9:16 AM

        I'll help keep it alive with you!

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        August 6, 2012 9:32 AM

        w00t! I'm with you on this one. I want it bad.

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        August 6, 2012 9:33 AM

        I will shed tears of joy when HL3 is announced. I will cry.

      • gmd legacy 10 years mercury mega
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        August 6, 2012 11:24 AM

        I WILL LITERALLY LOSE MY SHIT

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        August 6, 2012 11:25 AM

        Just protect the source code this time!

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        August 6, 2012 11:35 AM

        Yes plex

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        August 6, 2012 11:36 AM

        [deleted]

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        August 6, 2012 11:37 AM

        I DEFINITELY ASKED FOR THIS

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        August 6, 2012 11:46 AM

        Black Mesa Source would be scrapped in favor of Black Mesa Source 2, which will also then incorporate all of Half-Life 2.

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        August 6, 2012 12:29 PM

        Don't forget a new L4D, Tf and Portal! Though yeah give me HL first!

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      August 6, 2012 9:17 AM

      I wonder if Source 2 will blow people away to the same degree the original Source engine did. I still remember those first PC Gamer pics of Halflife 2. So amazing.

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        August 6, 2012 11:09 AM

        Blow away as in blow away the players sense of patience? First release of Steam I clearly remember it being universally hated. "Steaming pile" was a pretty accurate description.

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        August 6, 2012 11:23 AM

        Actually wasn't the first reveal the Beta of CS:S? I remember first loading that after playing CS:CZ, the difference was ridiculous.

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          August 6, 2012 11:44 AM

          I believe it was the first time you could play the Source engine. But I think HL2 was unveiled in 2003, prior to CS:S.

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      August 6, 2012 11:38 AM

      What do YOU want to see in Source 2?. Personally I would like better lighting :)

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        August 6, 2012 11:40 AM

        Destructible environments (from buildings to geography).

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        August 6, 2012 11:44 AM

        Kill bsp. Kill it!

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          August 6, 2012 12:30 PM

          What's wrong with bsp? I don't make levels so I have no idea.

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            August 6, 2012 1:34 PM

            Shit at outdoors, leaks, building walls one by one instead of just carving stuff out... that's my recollection anyway, it's been a while.

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            August 6, 2012 4:49 PM

            Basicly everything should go towards modeled props. Bsp is pretty oldschool right now. Unreal engine games have less than 1% bsp surfaces in the levels.

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              August 7, 2012 2:49 PM

              that shift would be great for first party releases but would take a big dump on valve's third party level design community--and the foundation of any multiplayer valve game is its content creation community.

              as for modeled props: prop counts have already increased dramatically over the years but it hasn't had such a grand effect on valve's uninspired level design; in fairness the necessities of portaling off large sections of geometry and props do admittedly restrict one's options.

              what would help is an augmentative sub-system for BSP that uses areaportals to determine what content is streamed in AND calculates a thrash-free hysteresis for unloading content (when necessary for lower spec systems). when you look at the work currently done by areaportal entities it seems like a reasonably cheap solution may be possible.

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        August 6, 2012 11:45 AM

        Bigger levels with shorter loading

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          August 6, 2012 12:36 PM

          it'd be great if the levels loaded in the background as you approached the next one. doesn't the Unreal engine do something like this? streaming level loading or something?

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        August 6, 2012 11:50 AM

        Euphoria-style reactive physics animation

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        August 6, 2012 11:51 AM

        What these 4 guys have said already, no BSP, huge worlds, destructible shit, and people physics. Happy times would be had there.

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        August 6, 2012 11:57 AM

        I think its time for a revolution in AI. I want a good AI that suprises the player and keeps him on his toes. This would be a much bigger improvement gameplay wise than bigger levels or destructable stuff in my opinion

      • gmd legacy 10 years mercury mega
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        August 6, 2012 11:57 AM

        real time microtransactions

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        August 6, 2012 11:58 AM

        physics applied to all projectiles including bullets. full-on frame of reference type stuff, where player movement affects bullet trajectories, along with gravity and atmospheric conditions

        means the death of hitscan, but hitscan was never realistic outside of laser beams

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          August 6, 2012 12:49 PM

          Technically a laser beam wouldn't be hitscan either

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        August 6, 2012 12:02 PM

        No audio stuttering

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        August 6, 2012 12:05 PM

        Dynamic global illumination.

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        August 6, 2012 12:05 PM

        after Portal 2, a huge one for me is no more load screens

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        August 6, 2012 12:07 PM

        Half Life 3.

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        August 6, 2012 12:09 PM

        Streaming levels. Portal 2 was a huge step back..

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        August 6, 2012 12:10 PM

        An editor like the one for Portal 2 but for all the games. Or something like Crysis.

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          August 6, 2012 1:23 PM

          Check out Shootmania's editor.

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        August 6, 2012 12:10 PM

        Destructible everything. Seriously.

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        August 6, 2012 12:10 PM

        Better hat physics

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        August 6, 2012 12:21 PM

        The ability to alt-tab without the engine shitting itself.

        Also, reflections.

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          August 6, 2012 12:49 PM

          You already have alt-tabing without the engine shitting itself.

          -windowed and -noborder in launch options.

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            August 6, 2012 1:35 PM

            That's a pretty shitty solution.

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              August 6, 2012 2:56 PM

              It works the same as fullscreen but you can alt-tab.
              How is that shitty?

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                August 6, 2012 4:14 PM

                AFAIK, Crossfire/SLI doesn't work with those options.

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        August 6, 2012 12:24 PM

        Next-gen chicken killing physics

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        August 6, 2012 12:31 PM

        Movable objects not sucking in multiplayer games. This would allow for vehicles.

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        August 6, 2012 12:33 PM

        I think the most important visual advancement games really need to make are better animation systems. Right now its the first thing that breaks immersion for me in every game regardless of style.

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        August 6, 2012 12:33 PM

        A level editor that isn't stuck in 1999.

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        August 6, 2012 12:35 PM

        Fix the AI. Valve championed the improved AI but I always found it lacking.

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        August 6, 2012 12:36 PM

        Better Alyx ass-jiggle physics.

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        August 6, 2012 12:44 PM

        Gibs

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        August 6, 2012 12:52 PM

        No more mini loads plz k thnx.

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        August 6, 2012 12:53 PM

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        August 6, 2012 1:35 PM

        crates. where are the crates. also auction house(s).

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          August 6, 2012 1:38 PM

          and another garden gnome. a huge huge one this time

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            August 6, 2012 1:39 PM

            in fact they should just call the engine "Garden Gnome Simulator 2k"

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        August 6, 2012 1:38 PM

        Next gen audio that sounds realistic.

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        August 6, 2012 2:00 PM

        less [LOADING] pauses for [LOADING] loading things [LOADING] between [LOADING] every room.

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          August 6, 2012 2:08 PM

          haha, I'm going to have to agree with this, streamed levels would be awesome

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        August 6, 2012 3:19 PM

        MMX optimisations.

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        August 6, 2012 4:35 PM

        unreal engine 4 graphics, with improved source facial animation. might as well dream big

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      August 6, 2012 1:54 PM

      Source2 could be an enticing license option since it will likely work on Windows, OSX and linux. Combine that with Steam working on all three platforms and now cozying up to Valve doesn't seem all that bad if you're a small game dev.

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