Morning Discussion: Thanksgiving Edition

Good morning, Internet! A very merry Thanksgiving to you all. Especially to everyone who isn't in the USA and, as such, will be working today. To mark the occasion, we have some seasonal features lined up for your reading pleasure.

We also get to see again what happens when I'm the only person behind the news desk. I would like to pretend it'll wild and exciting today but in reality, today will be very slow and quite dull as everything has shut down in concession to the USA and I don't particularly want to get scolded for misbehaving on the Internet--a very serious crime.

Eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die in Black Friday queue crushes.

From The Chatty
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    November 25, 2010 5:00 AM

    Thursday Morning Minecraft Thread!
    Renewed Excitement Edition!!!

    Minecraft multiplayer is something I find exciting again!

    Multiplayer Servers!
    MercFox1 : shackeast.sytes.net / se.shkn.ws / shackeast.shkn.ws
    [TEST] foo1: 75.101.148.242
    Shadowdane : shadowdane.shacknet.nu / sd.shkn.ws / shadowdane.shkn.ws
    Chicken Fur : 69.169.149.253 / cf.shkn.ws / chickenfur.shkn.ws
    m0rfus (PvP/Mobs on) : morfus.dyndns.org / morfus.shkn.ws
    Haxim (TNT Server) : asplode.dyndns.org / haxim.shkn.ws

    Teamspeak : ts.shackbattles.com:9987

    Even if it’s a little wonky right now!

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      November 25, 2010 5:00 AM

      Guides and Utilities

      - Oizomapper! Map your single player or multiplayer levels! By mroizo40
      http://www.digitized-e.com/mroizo/OizoMapper.zip

      - Shackwiki Minecraft page!
      http://shackwiki.com/wiki/Minecraft

      Video Guides!
      - (Series) X's Adventures in Minecraft! Linked by zuff!
      http://tinyurl.com/2ah7sex
      Lots of useful info in here!

      - (Series) Minecraft Minecart Tutorials! Boosters! Track switches! Et cetera!
      http://tinyurl.com/2udl2lt

      - Water Physics Tutorial by Arctic Fox!
      http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=24127669#itemanchor_24127669

      Written Guides!
      - Beginner’s Guides to Minecraft, originally linked by at0micgarden!
      (Work in Progress) Guide to Alpha: http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=17021
      How to Survive Your First Night: http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=19065

      Shacker Help!
      - Things I Wish I’d Known, a retrospective by Ebu!
      http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=23608826#itemanchor_23608826

      - Linkmania! By zuff!
      http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=23514788#itemanchor_23514788
      http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=23533536#itemanchor_23533536


      - Ores, and How to Find Them, by Fooldozer and CodeRedBeard!
      http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=23582115#itemanchor_23582115

      - Multiplayer Tips from BlackCat9
      http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=23641449#itemanchor_23641449

      - Circle guides! More useful than they sound!
      http://www.agentpothead.com/minecraft/sphere.html linked/hosted by AgentPothead!
      http://www.shackpics.com/files/radii_even_to_100_pgzh2n77iabkgcmee93q.png hosted by Arctic Fox!

      - Beginner’s Guide to Redstone, links by The Grolar Bear!
      http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=24044649#itemanchor_24044649

      - And some generally useful keys to press!
      F11 - full screen!
      F3 (hold) - CPU/ memory usage bar! Spikes for CPU/ red box for memory, I think!
      F5 - third person mode!

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      November 25, 2010 5:01 AM

      you got the day right! congrats dong!

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        November 25, 2010 5:06 AM

        I seem to be on a roll with these lately, barring the time this week that Arcath had to post for me!

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          November 25, 2010 6:01 AM

          I even got all the tags right!

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      November 25, 2010 5:05 AM

      MAXIMUM EXCITEMENT

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        November 25, 2010 5:06 AM

        GREAT SHOT, AMAZING, AMAZING, AMAZING, GREAT SHOT

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      November 25, 2010 5:17 AM

      I agree... it might be a bit glitchy but SMP with mobs is a whole lot of fun.

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      November 25, 2010 6:06 AM

      such a cute vid! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opuQmQy87x4

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        November 25, 2010 6:12 AM

        It's too fucking early in the morning for that shit.....

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        November 25, 2010 6:16 AM

        It's obviously fake but holy shit that would scare the crap out of me if that ever happened in the game. It would be kind of cool if one out of 100 zombies is a day-walking, 5x speed, screaming, kamikaze zombie.

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          November 25, 2010 6:38 AM

          Reminds me of the 'fast' zombies in HL2, *shudder*

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        November 25, 2010 6:19 AM

        Holy crap

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        November 25, 2010 7:23 AM

        Ok, that scared me shitless.

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        November 25, 2010 6:22 AM

        It is so messed up. I walked into a house inside a mountain and it let me open the doors/destroy blocks no problems. 5 minutes later it starts popping out Towny messages and wouldn't let me open the same doors i used 5 minutes earlier. Its like the town got founded while I was inside it even though noone did.

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          November 25, 2010 6:40 AM

          The random complexity/lack of feedback is what I don't like about Towny.

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            November 25, 2010 6:48 AM

            well there is the thing near spawn cant open the doors because they are in spawn and only ops can change spawn chunk doors could be moved out of that i think? then again you can use the /towny map or /towny map toggle to see what areas are towns should tell oyu what town your in too i think?

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              November 25, 2010 6:51 AM

              I hardly think that people should have to learn 400 random commands to play a game, is what I'm saying. Half the beauty of Minecraft is in its simplicity.

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                November 25, 2010 6:52 AM

                but it isnt needed i do like the thought of towny may be the only way to attract some of the builders from shackeast.and its hardly 14 commands for hte basic user.

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                  November 25, 2010 6:59 AM

                  I'm with Arctic on towny. There is no real "feel" to the mod and it seems a touch quirky.

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                    November 25, 2010 7:02 AM

                    yeah it is great in theory but a bit complex in implementation.

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                    November 25, 2010 7:02 AM

                    but if setup right and towns only creatable by admins it is basicaly optional to join a town and yes it is quirky but thats what makes it interesting

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                      November 25, 2010 7:07 AM

                      If you use Merc1 as a model, we tend to have several hundred "towns of 1" or sometimes 2 people. They'll all want an area setup that is 'theirs' that they can control the building privileges/PvP rights in. This seems a little untenable.

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                        November 25, 2010 7:10 AM

                        basicaly think of portthong or lampoplis as towns people would join the area that town can build would be large with more people the towns need to be founded by the admins/mods not by players with out admin control of it the land grab would be horrible.

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                          November 25, 2010 7:13 AM

                          and on that note it is something that is going to need structure to be done right its interesting but not absolutly needed for great play just a bit of spice in the soup. im off to get some sleep now ttyl guys

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                          November 25, 2010 7:20 AM

                          I know what the point of the mod is. It's to build 'superstructures' like Duke City or Port Thong on the old server, with many residents inhabiting them. I'm saying that's not how people tend to build on Merc1. Granted, it may be different when mobs are active.

                          I think if we do end up using Towny, it will be in a very limited fashion, using 'nations' to tie together a large area where, say, people would like to only build with no PvP. I just think that it's a complex solution to a simple problem -- and the simplest answer is multiple servers, not a convoluted mod.

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                    November 25, 2010 7:44 AM

                    Great idea.. not so great execution. It needs a few layers of user friendliness.

                    • foo
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                      November 25, 2010 7:54 AM

                      It would be great if Minecraft supported third party UI overlays...

                      I could picture having the Towny map in the top right corner, and a hotkey or something to pop up a list of towns/nations, your affiliation with them (ally, enemy), and you could drill down into those towns/nations to see their residents, and an overworld map which showed the land claims by those towns/nations.

                      Someone call Notch and tell him to get the fuck on it

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                        November 25, 2010 7:55 AM

                        Well he did say that mod support would be coming in beta. Let's let him figure out the invisible creepers first mmmmkay? :P

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                        November 25, 2010 7:57 AM

                        Yes, if it was handled correctly... it could be really nice. Some kind of GUI overlay would make a world of difference on a mod like this. I hope this type of thing is supported eventually when Notch adds the mod support.

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                    November 25, 2010 8:17 AM

                    I agree. What towny can do really isn't much different than what the players themselves can do. If you want to build a town, just ask around for help or who wants to join you in creating it etc etc. You can still pvp other nations/towns easily. Towny really just is too confusing.

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        November 25, 2010 7:24 AM

        I think there's some confusion here; Towny doesn't HAVE to be used in any way, shape or form.

        You can log in, and just build. You don't have to do anything with Towny

        • foo
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          November 25, 2010 7:39 AM

          I will say though, I think it might be a bit too overly complicated for what we need/want.

          I'd still like to give it a fair shot

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            November 25, 2010 7:41 AM

            Yeah, we might as well test it out while Notch works out his bugs.

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            November 25, 2010 9:21 AM

            Vivid and I were testing out some of the nation/ally Towny stuff yesterday. So yeah I say we just use the test server to test Towny's capabilities and get familiar with it.

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          November 25, 2010 7:55 AM

          It is a little bit frustrating when you come into the world for the first time and you can't build anywhere because it's all reserved already. But I guess that's how it will be when areas can't be flagged as property anyways.

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          November 25, 2010 7:58 AM

          Given that most of the people in yesterday's thread seemed to want PvE only, this implies that either they're all gonna have to learn it, or we (as admins) are going to have to explore an entire continent or 2 and mark them 'PvE only' nations. If I understand Towny right.

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      November 25, 2010 6:35 AM

      Shadowdane's Server is now PvE -- Mobs are ON!

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        November 25, 2010 6:45 AM

        notch Markus Persson
        I will be adding something like a no-health-at-all or heal-over-time setting. The death/invis bug is getting fixed, too.

        HACKhalo2
        @notch will the bugfix be released shortly, or are you going to roll out some of the less major ones before releasing a fix?

        @notch Markus Persson
        @HACKhalo2 i just woke up. Theres a meeting today at work, but im prioritizing getting the update out today. Worst case, tomorrow.


        Based on his twitter I'm not sure if anyone has reported the invisible creeper issue to him. I'll try to catch him if I see him posting. Dude really needs a public bug submission/ranking system.

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      November 25, 2010 6:54 AM

      note to track builders on shackeast please bugfix the tracks smp carts act wierd XD

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      November 25, 2010 6:57 AM

      foo1 can also be resched at nastygood.sytes.net

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      November 25, 2010 7:21 AM

      DrArcticFox
      @notch I presume you've been told about the invisible mobs in SMP, that can still kill you? They're rather annoying :)

      @notch Markus Persson
      @DrArcticFox working on it now. =)

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        November 25, 2010 7:23 AM

        I just saw that and was about to post it here :)

        I picture you sitting in your study with the fireplace going while you sip on some coffee or tea. You pick up a red phone which is a direct line to Notch's office. You tell him whats up and he does as you command.

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        November 25, 2010 7:24 AM

        You pimp.

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        November 25, 2010 7:27 AM

        I just want my sssssssss from creepers :( I know why it doesn't work right now, it's the same bug where TNT doesn't ssss unless you personally set it off, but it takes away from the horror of the Creepers with them being totally silent.

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          November 25, 2010 7:37 AM

          Yah I think sounds are all client-side :(

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            November 25, 2010 8:04 AM

            could have sworn i hear the spiders and skeleton clacking sounds

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              November 25, 2010 8:54 AM

              Yup. But I think notch just has creepers working as walking TNT in smp right now. This would also explain why they don't stop exploding when you back off. It was probably the easiest way for him to get them functional in the short term.

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          November 25, 2010 7:57 AM

          ^ This and visible arrows.

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          November 25, 2010 8:06 AM

          Or an explosion would be nice because I've run away from Creepers for a while not knowing they had already blown up.

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        November 25, 2010 8:04 AM

        You're becoming a regular. :)

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        November 25, 2010 8:11 AM

        Well I've got to credit him for some snappy bug-squashing:

        notch Markus Persson
        This respawn bug is killing me. I keep thinking I've fixed it, and notice some other obscure corner case. It's mostly fixed now, though

        liv3d
        @notch How about SMP & invisible mobs / players ?

        @notch Markus Persson
        @liv3d the mobs have been fixed. Working on a final respawn bug now.

        notch Markus Persson
        OH SNAP, I found the bug!! Do I update now or tomorrow? If I update now and there's a bug, you're stuck with it until tomorrow.

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          November 25, 2010 8:13 AM

          lol careful what you wish for Notch:

          @notch Markus Persson
          I'll update now. It probably won't be any worse than the version up there now.

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            November 25, 2010 8:15 AM

            haha oh god, i can only imagine what he breaks

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            November 25, 2010 8:15 AM

            server update is up... updating my server

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              November 25, 2010 8:17 AM

              Seems to work.

              Now let's see what he fixed/broke.

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                November 25, 2010 8:19 AM

                Respawning seems to work like it should.

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              November 25, 2010 8:17 AM

              ok my server is live with the new update

          • foo
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            November 25, 2010 8:16 AM

            Did he update?

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              November 25, 2010 8:20 AM

              hey0 still works... also LeafDropper Plugin still works! yah

            • foo
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              November 25, 2010 8:22 AM

              MercServer and foo1 are updated

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                November 25, 2010 8:24 AM

                I logged onto Merc (first time since update). Fell a little, took 1 point of armor damage and a couple health...then my health regenerated.

                Merc is set to no damage?

              • foo
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                November 25, 2010 8:24 AM

                haha, fuck me, Notch.

                foo1 is crashing repeatedly now.

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                  November 25, 2010 8:25 AM

                  It ran fine for about 20 seconds, then you connected and then the third dude whatever his name was connected and it crashed.

                  • foo
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                    November 25, 2010 8:25 AM

                    It's just repeatedly crashing now

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                      November 25, 2010 8:26 AM

                      Maybe it's not working with Towny?

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                      November 25, 2010 8:26 AM

                      :(( I had an out of body experience on my first connect

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                    November 25, 2010 8:26 AM

                    That bastard! What was his name? Lynch em!

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                    November 25, 2010 8:26 AM

                    yah mine crashed too after about 30 seconds :(

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                  November 25, 2010 8:27 AM

                  It's hey0. As soon as you break a block it stops the server. Not seeing that if I just run vanilla.

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                    November 25, 2010 8:28 AM

                    Oh, guess I never broke any blocks when I was on.

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                    November 25, 2010 8:29 AM

                    guess we gotta wait for a hey0 fix

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                      November 25, 2010 8:29 AM

                      Every time...I hate it.

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                      November 25, 2010 8:33 AM

                      Would we really die without it?

                      I guess it did cut down (but not eliminate?) the number of griefers, so the annoyance is worth it?

                      I could live without /home or /spawn, in fact in a PVP or PVE world they are kinda cheating.

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                        November 25, 2010 8:34 AM

                        Without hey0 we have no whitelist, and no logging of griefable events.

                        The server is not starting without it.

                        • foo
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                          November 25, 2010 8:39 AM

                          No Towny, GriefAlert, MCEdit (backup restoration), no stats, etc

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                        November 25, 2010 8:35 AM

                        while you wait...come on over and grief each other in the face!

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                    November 25, 2010 8:53 AM

                    i posted a thread on the hMod Forums - http://forum.hey0.net/showthread.php?tid=1463

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                  November 25, 2010 8:34 AM

                  mine seems to be alright. ive been minin out crap for like 10 mins after the update...

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                    November 25, 2010 8:35 AM

                    Yeah it seems to be hey0. Notch ain't responsible for this one.

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                November 25, 2010 8:27 AM

                THORNBARK ANGRY

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            November 25, 2010 8:16 AM

            i am updating my server as we speak!

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            November 25, 2010 8:24 AM

            oh lord what happened this time?

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            November 25, 2010 8:25 AM

            wtf I was not reapearing where I logged out at :|

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      November 25, 2010 7:57 AM

      i love the spiders, but they make building my castle difficult. =-\

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      November 25, 2010 8:12 AM

      Does TNT hurt monsters and/or players?

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        November 25, 2010 8:14 AM

        Uhhhhhh, yeah!

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        November 25, 2010 8:24 AM

        It does, which makes my TNT server a bit more dangerous. I know notch was going to implement options for regenerating health or no damage at all, but I don't think it was in this last update.

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      November 25, 2010 8:29 AM

      Proposed PVP server rules
      Players must add a band to their arm to signify what kingdome they belong to.
      Players who do not with to pvp but to build wear white.
      Kingdome that are pvp add a P to the end, example VividsShitholeKingdome_P
      Kingdomes that are build add a B to the end, example Funkyshaps_B
      You may not kill another player in a build kingdome (safezone)
      You are only allowed to destroy blocks (if we do this) if members of the other kingdome are online.
      If you end up being invisible dont be a dink, if someoen says your invis relog.
      Your house if in a PVP kingdome has to be accessible to enemies
      What does this mean? It means you have to use redstone on your doors and you must have doors
      This means you will have to put secret switches / combos on a door.
      We could exempt treasure rooms so no chest griefing, But dont hide in your chest room.
      Any violation of a law will be a warning for the kingdome and after the warning a 1 block deduction, awarded to the kingdome that caught you breaking the law.

      Just soem of my ideas.

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        November 25, 2010 2:26 PM

        Ill reply to my topic so it looks importent

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        November 25, 2010 2:47 PM

        Also being said that there has to be doors this would also lead to false doors and traps which would be fun.

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      November 25, 2010 8:42 AM

      please post here if you are having crashes on my server. i see people connecting and disconnecting a lot and i am not having that issue.

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        November 25, 2010 9:12 AM

        four players strong and going steady!

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        November 25, 2010 9:17 AM

        I never crashed, just relogged myself a couple times.

        When I would die and respawn other players were invisible, I think.

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      November 25, 2010 8:43 AM

      Were there any singleplayer bugs we were looking for? Things seemed to be working OK there.

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        November 25, 2010 8:44 AM

        I don't think SP has seen any updates since Boo, he's working to unify the codebases

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      November 25, 2010 8:53 AM

      MercServer and foo1 are down, due to hey0 crashing whenever a block is broken with the new update.

      I'm going to be gone for the majority of the day, but will have my laptop with me. I'll check back every now and then to see if hey0 has been updated. I doubt it will be, since it's Thanksgiving and all. We'll just have to see.

      Have a good Thanksgiving everyone.

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        November 25, 2010 8:55 AM

        Happy Thanksgiving, Benevolent Overlord :)

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        November 25, 2010 9:03 AM

        Same here... server is down until hey0 gets updated.

      • foo
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        November 25, 2010 9:12 AM

        Both servers are back up using the latest test build. I just broke a few blocks, and no crashes.

        To the other admins: http://hudson.lukegb.com/job/Minecraft_Mod/

        This is an automated build system that checks hey0's github every 5 minutes, and builds a new jar if there's been any commits. This is basically "bleeding edge".

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          November 25, 2010 9:39 AM

          Wow, that is pretty slick.

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          November 25, 2010 9:45 AM

          Pretty cool... granted i could see massive bugs showing up in these builds.

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          November 25, 2010 9:50 AM

          I still can't ride minecarts (get disconnected), and I cant pick up blocks.

          The picking up blocks seems to be some sort of issue with my character, as other people didn't have that issue. I when and demonstrated to to someone last night (forgot who), by placing some dirt blocks breaking them, emptying my hand, and then walking over the broken block, and it didn't get picked up. They saw me break the block, and not pick it up, and were themselves able to pick it up.

          Also the minecart issue seems to happen if no one else is in the area, I was able to get in a minecart near that other person, but when I walked a was away (far enough that I didn't see their name anymore) and tried again, I got disconnected again.

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            November 25, 2010 9:53 AM

            that happened to Vivid last night... i think they need to delete your Player.dat file to restore you basically.

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              November 25, 2010 10:22 AM

              ok. I put 95% of my stuff in a chest.

              I'll be out the rest of the day. I will check back late tonight. Hopefully my player.dat will be deleted / repaired by then.

      • foo
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        November 25, 2010 10:50 AM

        Any problems so far in regards to crashing, spawning or invisibility on death ?

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          November 25, 2010 11:02 AM

          I will go fight something and investigate

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          November 25, 2010 11:12 AM

          Seems like PvP no longer works? I had noxious and Poedell try to attack me but I was taking zero damage. Same when they attacked eachother.

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            November 25, 2010 11:14 AM

            I was visible when I respawned after being killed by mobs though!

          • foo
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            November 25, 2010 11:51 AM

            Oh shoot, I turned it off when I was trying to troubleshoot the crashing... sorry, ill turn it back on when I get home

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          November 25, 2010 11:15 AM

          RobFlinn is perma invisible.

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      November 25, 2010 9:38 AM

      My server is back online with the beta version of Hey0.

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        November 25, 2010 5:25 PM

        I'll be back when this game is playable. Can't pick up anything.

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      November 25, 2010 10:13 AM

      The rain of violence upon Lamperia has been very fortuitous! LONG LIVE THE NATION OF SKULLFUCKIA!!

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      November 25, 2010 11:27 AM

      Help. Could someone add me to the OK list? my name is Germfungus and I'm in-game right now

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      November 25, 2010 11:56 AM

      I seemed to have gained immortality. I'm down to one heart but cannot drown or die from mobs. They aggro me but can't hurt me. I however can kill them, I just can't pick up stuff they drop. Other players cannot hurt me as well.

      BOW DOWN TO YOUR IMMORTAL GOD KING!!

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        November 25, 2010 12:22 PM

        Naw, we'll just mostly encase you then use you for skeleton bait.

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        November 25, 2010 2:36 PM

        If you're wearing armor, and you take damage, you will die as if you had no armor hit points, but you will still be walking around (immortal, but can't interact, monsters follow you, but don't attack, etc.) Take off armor, then kill yourself by jumping off a cliff. Your death/damage will take effect after you reconnect to the server. Then you will die properly and can respawn normally. Don't use armor!

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          November 25, 2010 2:40 PM

          I'm still a ghost. Can't pick up items, even the stuff I dropped when I died. I'm also invisible to others, no matter how many times I've re-logged.

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          November 25, 2010 4:03 PM

          I am wearing some armor. I'll try it.

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      November 25, 2010 12:36 PM

      What gives? I log in and see nobody but myself.. :(

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      November 25, 2010 12:37 PM

      I think foo1 died.

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        November 25, 2010 12:38 PM

        :(

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          November 25, 2010 1:02 PM

          Yep, can't log in, and I was cooking iron ore for buckets!

          Gotta get a moat going to keep out those damned creepers.

      • foo
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        November 25, 2010 1:20 PM

        I'll be home in about an hour

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          November 25, 2010 2:22 PM

          Can you fix my ghost status? I wont be home for a few hrs to test though. Thanks!

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            November 25, 2010 2:38 PM

            If you're invisible, reconnect. If you're immortal, read my post above. That might fix things without needing an admin?

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      November 25, 2010 1:00 PM

      Just got BSOD from playing on Merc's :|

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        November 25, 2010 1:20 PM

        Looks like Microsoft Security Essetials didin't like me playing Minecraft online.

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      November 25, 2010 1:32 PM

      If he'd only sold it to Valve....we'd have free hats by now.

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      November 25, 2010 2:39 PM

      test server down?