Morning Discussion

As I think I mentioned before, last week I finished Red Dead Redemption and had a jolly good time. One very pleasing small thing was the near-absence of an ambient soundtrack, leaving silence punctuated by occasional strums, twangs and fiddlings. While the orchestral score had some rollicking ditties, it's the twangs which filled my ears with glee.

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    November 23, 2010 5:00 AM

    Tuesday Morning Minecraft Thread!
    --- Edition!!!

    Multiplayer Servers!
    MercFox1 : shackeast.sytes.net / se.shkn.ws / shackeast.shkn.ws
    Shadowdane : shadowdane.shacknet.nu / sd.shkn.ws / shadowdane.shkn.ws
    Chicken Fur : 69.169.149.253 / cf.shkn.ws / chickenfur.shkn.ws
    m0rfus (PvP/Mobs on) : morfus.dyndns.org / morfus.shkn.ws
    Haxim (TNT Server) : asplode.dyndns.org / haxim.shkn.ws

    Teamspeak : ts.shackbattles.com:9987

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      November 23, 2010 5:00 AM

      Guides and Utilities

      - Oizomapper! Map your single player or multiplayer levels! By mroizo40
      http://www.digitized-e.com/mroizo/OizoMapper.zip

      - Shackwiki Minecraft page!
      http://shackwiki.com/wiki/Minecraft

      Video Guides!
      - (Series) X's Adventures in Minecraft! Linked by zuff!
      http://tinyurl.com/2ah7sex
      Lots of useful info in here!

      - (Series) Minecraft Minecart Tutorials! Boosters! Track switches! Et cetera!
      http://tinyurl.com/2udl2lt

      - Water Physics Tutorial by Arctic Fox!
      http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=24127669#itemanchor_24127669

      Written Guides!
      - Beginner’s Guides to Minecraft, originally linked by at0micgarden!
      (Work in Progress) Guide to Alpha: http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=17021
      How to Survive Your First Night: http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=19065

      Shacker Help!
      - Things I Wish I’d Known, a retrospective by Ebu!
      http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=23608826#itemanchor_23608826

      - Linkmania! By zuff!
      http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=23514788#itemanchor_23514788
      http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=23533536#itemanchor_23533536


      - Ores, and How to Find Them, by Fooldozer and CodeRedBeard!
      http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=23582115#itemanchor_23582115

      - Multiplayer Tips from BlackCat9
      http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=23641449#itemanchor_23641449

      - Circle guides! More useful than they sound!
      http://www.agentpothead.com/minecraft/sphere.html linked/hosted by AgentPothead!
      http://www.shackpics.com/files/radii_even_to_100_pgzh2n77iabkgcmee93q.png hosted by Arctic Fox!

      - Beginner’s Guide to Redstone, links by The Grolar Bear!
      http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=24044649#itemanchor_24044649

      - And some generally useful keys to press!
      F11 - full screen!
      F3 (hold) - CPU/ memory usage bar! Spikes for CPU/ red box for memory, I think!
      F5 - third person mode!

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      November 23, 2010 5:00 AM

      Well fast sir!

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      November 23, 2010 5:00 AM

      Grats on First Post of MD!

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        November 23, 2010 6:42 AM

        And 2 days in a row without a major fuckup, wait, what edition is this? Oh Dong :(

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          November 23, 2010 6:51 AM

          The edition title is deliberate! I tried to write something other than Slim Edition or Tiny Edition, and couldn't think of anything on time so I went with 3 hyphens out of laziness.

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            November 23, 2010 6:54 AM

            When in doubt, make fun of Not¢h

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              November 23, 2010 7:01 AM

              Eric's even got the bug! Relax man your gonna have a coronary. And I'm sorry I ever doubted you Dong!

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      November 23, 2010 5:01 AM

      Dong Patrol, on the ball this morning! The date's even correct!

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        November 23, 2010 5:04 AM

        I forgot to remove the bird's eye render like foo asked me to, though!

    • foo
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      November 23, 2010 5:37 AM

      Well, the stats page just proved itself useful (http://216.139.192.52/~djr/mc/stats/)

      Take a look at Damaged0ne. Tell me, how can a player who's not part of any group (thus has no world modification privilages) have 913 blocks to place?

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        November 23, 2010 5:42 AM

        client-side hacking lol

      • foo
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        November 23, 2010 5:59 AM

        False alarm, he's legit. He's in the builders group. Stats page must get confused when a user logs in and isn't in a group, and then is moved to one while the user is still logged in. I bet it updates properly when he logs in next

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          November 23, 2010 6:09 AM

          More like Banned0ne amirite?

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          November 23, 2010 6:16 AM

          Yeah he just got auth'd yesterday and I gave him access to all my goods

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          November 23, 2010 7:29 AM

          Speaking of false alarms, did I (Minecraft name is ElucidoVia) get banned from MercFox1, for some reason? When I try connecting, it says "Permission denied."
          All I ever did was see the sights and occasionally get materials for stone pickaxes and boats, and not many at that.

          Hyrule looks like it could still use some basic landscaping (terraforming, whatever). Bugs or not. I can at least fill in watery bits with dirt.

          Don't know when I'll have interweb access later today, but I wanted to ask.

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            November 23, 2010 7:30 AM

            VIvid probably banned you because you made a comment about his pants or something.

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              November 23, 2010 7:33 AM

              Ah ha! Well, at least I now know. ¬¬

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              November 23, 2010 7:47 AM

              Yeah, probably. I don't even remember raptorll.

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                November 23, 2010 7:58 AM

                Until I started reading daily, (I blame the Minecraft threads) I pretty much just lurked, so that explains why you don't remember me at the shack.

                In Minecraft the name is ElucidoVia, but even then I typically only have a little bit of time, so I never got around to really hanging out on the server. Did get to do an early test of the log flume, that was neat.

                Uh, yeah. About to lose intertubbles for a bit, but hopefully back around noon.

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                November 23, 2010 10:13 AM

                I thought I am the only one who ever gets banned?

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        November 23, 2010 6:01 AM

        stats are empty here :(

        must be ie6 i guess

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        November 23, 2010 6:04 AM

        Doest he post in mc threads all the time? I think you caught a false positive.

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        November 23, 2010 6:06 AM

        Main thing I've been using it for is to check if someone who wants build access is actually in the server :)

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        November 23, 2010 10:58 AM

        Mamiya walks around a lot

    • foo
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      November 23, 2010 6:15 AM

      Told you guys it was going to create a massive amount of lag :(

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      November 23, 2010 6:18 AM

      I got a text message from Bechard last night saying my treefort is ablaze.

      Man was he right.. :(

      http://imgur.com/jENky.png

      Fuck i hate fire

      • foo
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        November 23, 2010 6:21 AM

        I just restored it. Get rid of all lava in the area ASAP. I think that little lava flow down by the portal on the water is the cause, but I'm not positive.

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          November 23, 2010 6:26 AM

          Wow thanks foo, thats awesome.. I'll fix it up. Glad it wasnt from someone trollin me.

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        November 23, 2010 6:21 AM

        dang :( that's a massive blaze

    • Zek
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      November 23, 2010 6:18 AM

      Notch has made his office Spotify playlist publicly editable:

      http://open.spotify.com/user/notch/playlist/3teQKAsKDBPHpafprg39TD

      now you all have an avenue to express your inner nerdrage by making them listen to terrible music while they work

      • foo
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        November 23, 2010 6:22 AM

        Fill it with Anal Cunt

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          November 23, 2010 10:14 AM

          I think I need some Anal Cunt in my life. I'm getting lonely.

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      November 23, 2010 6:30 AM

      It's Wesnesday morning here. It's mid week. Where's my early-this-week update?

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        November 23, 2010 6:32 AM

        Wesdnesday

        I'm almost as good as Dong Patrol

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          November 23, 2010 6:45 AM

          notch, was sick and playing FO:NV.

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          November 23, 2010 7:14 AM

          UPDATE - tried to do a Minecraft update today, and it turns out I didn’t bring the keystore with the private certificate key to the office.. I set a reminder alarm on my cellphone to remind me tonight to bring it.

          So.. Update tomorrow, with working SMP health, including fighting monsters and other players.

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            November 23, 2010 7:20 AM

            fingers crossed

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            November 23, 2010 7:21 AM

            http://notch.tumblr.com/post/1659195746/gah-the-update-is-coming-tomorrow-because-im-silly

            JESUS CHRIST WHAT THE FUCK AMATEUR HOUR UP IN THIS BITCH

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              November 23, 2010 7:25 AM

              Holy shit its real!

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              November 23, 2010 7:43 AM

              if this works correctly I will come back for this. sounds great

          • foo
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            November 23, 2010 7:22 AM

            So fucking drive home and get it, asshole.

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            November 23, 2010 7:32 AM

            On the plus side he possibly can spend today actually testing his update for once.

          • Zek
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            November 23, 2010 7:50 AM

            no worries, i'll be playing wow anyway

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            November 23, 2010 9:26 AM

            wow...less than 24 hours away from MONSTERS OTHER PLAYERS AND PERSONAL DAMAGE - sweet! and don't minecarts work as of a bit ago? swank!

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              November 23, 2010 10:28 AM

              He said terrain-generation bug with minecart travel was fixed.

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              November 23, 2010 12:01 PM

              Kiss half of the stuff on merc's server good bye.

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            November 23, 2010 9:58 AM

            translation: i'm still working on it

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            November 23, 2010 10:19 AM

            so, who's running the fresh new server?

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              November 23, 2010 11:08 AM

              apparently no one :(

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              November 23, 2010 1:46 PM

              I could possibly organise one, but it would be hosted in Australia and we have backwards internet.

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            November 23, 2010 11:21 AM

            Huh. Kinda excited.

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            November 23, 2010 11:58 AM

            You know, I really don't get the people who defend notches ways. It bothers me. He's made a lot of money from this concept and I feel a post like that is ridiculous. It's not like he's a terrible human being or anything, I just feel that when you create something like this and profit from it, you should have a greater sense of responsibility to your dedicated fans. After all the fans are the people who used word of mouth to get this concept to grow so quickly. Sure it's only a game, but it's a game that brings a lot of people joy.

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              November 23, 2010 12:00 PM

              BUT IT'S ONLY ALPHA PHIPPLE I agree, the man has zero PR or business savvy

            • Zek
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              November 23, 2010 12:04 PM

              News flash: every game development company makes retarded mistakes. Most of them just won't ever tell you about it.

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                November 23, 2010 12:09 PM

                No shit, this is what he should have done instead:

                "Patch coming tomorrow people! Just doing some last minute fixes and extensive bug-checking!"

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                  November 23, 2010 12:20 PM

                  no, people would know that's bullshit because of the last part

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                    November 23, 2010 12:22 PM

                    Doesn't mean it's not a better idea from a PR standpoint!

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                  November 23, 2010 12:22 PM

                  Agreed. Don't get me wrong, I like honesty. But if I were in his position I'd go get the damned key or whatever.

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                  November 23, 2010 1:17 PM

                  I guess I'm in the minority here but I actually enjoy his honesty. It might cause a lot of fuss in the community... but I find it entertaining and refreshing. I like the fact that he says whatever-the-fuck is on his mind and I also enjoy his attitude that he really doesn't care if people get their panties in a bunch over it. In the end... we really didn't pay a TON of money for the game.. the game mode has 'alpha' in the title... and he never intended the thing to get so big.. it's really not his fault. He has a kind of.. take it or leave it attitude and I kind of respect him for that. Good for him.

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                    November 23, 2010 1:19 PM

                    My option could be honest too (it's what he should be doing today, dammit)

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                      November 23, 2010 1:25 PM

                      Maybe I'm influenced by the fact that I have a job interview tomorrow and it's all I've been focusing my energy on and trying to avoid everything involving games etc... so there is no way I could play it today or tomorrow anyways. Wait till thursday and I'll be cursing him with the rest of you. :)

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              November 23, 2010 12:05 PM

              I pretty much agree with this, it almost seems like this weird tease and show off of how he can do what he wants and take his time haha

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                November 23, 2010 12:21 PM

                or maybe he just thought it was a silly mistake and he'll fix it tomorrow and holy shit it's one day so get over it?

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              November 23, 2010 12:13 PM

              Heaven forbid he have a life outside of Minecraft!!! He should be coding 24/7/365! Even when he is too sick to do so!!!1!!1

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              November 23, 2010 1:44 PM

              On one hand, some people's expectations are absurd. On the other hand, its "the internet" and everything snowballs into a bigger deal than anyone really actually cares. (Or should anyway.)

              I don't necessarily agree with a lot of his decisions or priorities, but I think people go way overboard in what they believe a one-man indie dev can accomplish in a few months while trying to grow his business and still live a life.

              For one thing, its hard to be a great business owner, game designer, software engineer, network/server admin, and community rep. all at the same time. If I were him, I certainly would be doing things differently, but I can't honestly say whether the net sum of my efforts would be better than his in this short of a timeframe.

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                November 23, 2010 1:52 PM

                Agreed. But in this small case, go get the damn keys man :)

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                  November 23, 2010 2:05 PM

                  LOL yes, agreed. Though, I suspect (read: HOPE) he is taking the opportunity to test more.

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                    November 23, 2010 7:31 PM

                    Not a bad notion. So maybe it's a good thing :)

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            November 23, 2010 1:13 PM

            While this is very interesting and good news... I have a small bit of fear growing that suddenly groups of players are going to be roaming the server ready to PK me as I punch trees! I'm going to have stressed out flashbacks of the early days of Ultima Online!! All they have to do is put on black block-shaped robes and figure out a way to toss fireballs!

    • foo
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      November 23, 2010 11:44 AM

      MercFox1 Attention Grabbing Text

      Decision time, friends. No discussion, just vote.

      http://spreadsheets.google.com/a/nevernet.com/viewform?hl=en&formkey=dDhrOVFGekZ0NkRYazFqU0NWU2Q2dFE6MA#gid=0

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        November 23, 2010 11:46 AM

        If you guys do start fresh, I'd appreciate a dl of the world. I'd still like to show it to some friends as evidence of the awesomeness of Minecraft.

        • foo
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          November 23, 2010 11:48 AM

          If a full reset is what's voted, and no one else wants to run the world as a public server for the Shack, then the world will be made available for download. But only if no one else is going to take it over.

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          November 23, 2010 1:49 PM

          I also would like a copy of the world if we are just going to blow it away!

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        November 23, 2010 11:51 AM

        You're missing an option, I think.

        How about leaving as is or moving spawn, with the possibility of a reset if it's not fun.

        We might find that it's fun battling monsters and each other in our pre-built structures, with lots of items to fight them with. Then again, even with moving spawn, it could suck. So we should leave the option of doing a reset, if things don't work out with no reset.

        Of course keep backups of the server, maybe one day we'd want it back, if he ever splits up 'adventure' and building mode.

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          November 23, 2010 11:55 AM

          There is of course the possibility of a reset in future, this is only the decision for right now.

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        November 23, 2010 11:55 AM

        Voted.

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        November 23, 2010 11:57 AM

        This just might get me back into this game.

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        November 23, 2010 12:01 PM

        voted

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        November 23, 2010 12:18 PM

        I have an addition to a current option. Leave the world as is, change the spawn, and have the old world be neutral territory, while all else is contested territory?

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        November 23, 2010 12:25 PM

        vote for full reset or DIE!!!!

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          November 23, 2010 12:27 PM

          Personally I think a full reset is pointless until the economy gets sorted out, but I do see that splitting this version of the server off (for someone else to host as a pure 'build' server) has its benefits.

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            November 23, 2010 12:30 PM

            are you talking about duping?

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              November 23, 2010 12:31 PM

              Yeps, things like obsidian, diamond, and so on lose all value when you can just produce them infinitely

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                November 23, 2010 12:35 PM

                i see your point but i still think it will be more fun (given that reappearing blocks and other non-sense are fixed) with a full reset. then again, i'm not super attached to buildings i've made so i'm willing to resent any ol time.

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                  November 23, 2010 12:42 PM

                  OK, but some of us ARE attached? It's not all you.

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                    November 23, 2010 12:45 PM

                    It's ass-street, it is all him

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                    November 23, 2010 12:47 PM

                    Next time I'll make sure to keep you in mind when forming an opinion. sheesh

            • foo
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              November 23, 2010 12:47 PM

              There's a hey0 mod that supposedly solves it

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                November 23, 2010 12:49 PM

                If it's the one we discussed previously, it doesn't solve all forms of duping, and the ones it do solve are the less-common versions

                • foo
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                  November 23, 2010 12:55 PM

                  There's a new one that scans peoples inventories and you can ban them or something like that

                  • foo
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                    November 23, 2010 1:02 PM

                    At least I thought there was, not seeing it now

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                November 23, 2010 12:49 PM

                oh snap

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            November 23, 2010 12:41 PM

            So is duping gonna be fixed with the patch? What's to stop people from duping again?

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            November 23, 2010 5:23 PM

            I agree entirely about the economy. Duping ruins the game.

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        November 23, 2010 1:00 PM

        Voted, but I think doing anything until beta, or at least until duping is fixed is pointless because it will defeat the purpose of a reset and minimize the purpose of moving the spawn.

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          November 23, 2010 1:06 PM

          I think the purpose here is simply to offer a fresh start to those that want it. Obviously we can't and won't stop anyone from going back to the old world to continue where they left off but for those of us who don't dupe and want a fresh beginning with working mobs the move is perfect.

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            November 23, 2010 1:07 PM

            plus it offers up the neat "visiting ruins of an old civilization" choice

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              November 23, 2010 1:08 PM

              I have a small surprise that I think I'm going to open up just in case anyone finds it in the old world

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            November 23, 2010 1:10 PM

            What exactly is a "fresh start" though? Where I'm working now I don't see anyone unless they port out to me or I /spawn. A fresh start is merely a matter of walking a little bit. Also, don't you wanna see our stuff get blown up by creepers? :)

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        November 23, 2010 1:24 PM

        why are other structures fair game with option 1? I mean why are we sanctioning griefing now? I can't vote for any of those.

        also there is cool stuff in the world. a waterpark that isnt getting the visits it should because boats are wacky. tracks everywhere waiting for terrain loading fix. LTTP underway.

        People (other than ass-street) are really cool with junking it so they can swing swords at each other (and at monsters that spawn out of thin air, i thought that sucked?) in a game with horrible netcode?

        I shouldn't vote anyway because I won't be on, and the choices really underscore why :(

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          November 23, 2010 1:27 PM

          I don't think the server is going to go away if we go the reset route. EricZBA has expressed interest in picking it up if so, maybe he'll make it into a pure 'building' server.

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            November 23, 2010 1:30 PM

            yeah that's great, if you go the reset route and he has an awesome server and can keep it from crashing and corrupting. or you could pick option one and people blow things up, or option two and i never see stuff again. I'd rather just have a copy of my stuff at this point. Was dumb to build it in SMP

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              November 23, 2010 1:33 PM

              I agree. EricZBA would be a horrible server admin. Fuck that guy. :P

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                November 23, 2010 1:35 PM

                hey I'd play on it. I'd just prefer to have a local copy of a couple things I've made. That'd free me up to work on other stuff too instead of spending time checking on them once a day from now to the end of the server

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                November 23, 2010 2:08 PM

                You would!

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          November 23, 2010 1:28 PM

          I agree that structures should not be fair game - why bother building anything cool?

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            November 23, 2010 1:30 PM

            I think that was poorly worded. Discussion on the mod board seems to be revolving around establishing 'cities' using the Towny plugin, and people will be punished for things that happen inside those zones. Outside those areas = you're on your own.

            We're obviously not turning the server into Grieftron 3000, you've got Morfus' server for that

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              November 23, 2010 1:34 PM

              That's definitely more interesting. Though it'll be a problem with city-to-city transport systems.

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                November 23, 2010 1:39 PM

                Essentially the problem is that we want mobs to be in and we don't want to restrict people too much but we also don't want rampant griefing and people ruining buildings and so on. Ideally the game is supposed to be like a wild world I guess but if you're logged out and someone breaks your frontier outpost just because that's no fun. There's a delicate balance between all out griefing and too many restrictions.

        • Zek
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          November 23, 2010 1:30 PM

          It looks like the server is going full PvP one way or another, this is just a vote on what to do with the world?

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            November 23, 2010 1:34 PM

            PvE all over, PvP in places I think is the plan. It won't be anarchy, but pretty much all of the mods want monsters in. So if you prefer a pure 'build' server, vote for a reset, then someone else can host the 'old world' as a build server.

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              November 23, 2010 1:38 PM

              Now I wanna change my vote :( Can't we clarify what things are gonna be and recount?

              • foo
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                November 23, 2010 1:41 PM

                SM me what you want the vote to be, and I'll change it

            • Zek
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              November 23, 2010 1:55 PM

              Personally I'm all for a full reset but it should be held off until beta. If we do it now people won't want to do it again.

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                November 23, 2010 1:56 PM

                This is my opinion too.

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                  November 23, 2010 1:59 PM

                  although that said, this would be, what, the 5th reset of Merc1? heh

        • foo
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          November 23, 2010 1:40 PM

          My fault. Bad choice of words. I'm not saying "destroy everyones work". I really doubt anyone would do that anyway. I just meant to stress that the server would be wide open

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            November 23, 2010 1:56 PM

            I guess if we reset, we reset. Though if we do, my predictions: squabbles/rushes for land rights near the new spawn, initial griefing on those players who secure the best "property", dupers start duping again, non-dupers have to start re-acquiring the resources they just lost because of the reset.

            Now, if we could do a restart with the players scattered around a bit with various individual (or group) spawns - that might be something interesting.

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        November 23, 2010 1:52 PM

        foo: if i revote, does it change my vote? (I hope?) I mis-voted.

        • foo
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          November 23, 2010 1:55 PM

          Sm me and ill change it

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            November 23, 2010 2:00 PM

            thanks and sorry about the hassle. new shit came to light!

      • foo
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        November 23, 2010 2:30 PM

        So wait.. you guys that are against a reset, do you want mobs but no pvp? Or no mobs at all?

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          November 23, 2010 2:40 PM

          I vote for Mobs with no PVP, a PvE server would be nice... co-op style..

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          November 23, 2010 2:42 PM

          notch said PvP on/off wasn't an option yet right? You can either have full damage or no damage?

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          November 23, 2010 2:43 PM

          I want to see how it works with everything, monsters and PVP.

          • foo
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            November 23, 2010 2:44 PM

            Right but I'm just talking about the current world

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          November 23, 2010 2:45 PM

          I want everything, but no reset. We can build a gladiatorial arena and watch people fight each other.

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          November 23, 2010 2:45 PM

          Who would actually want to PvP in this game?

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            November 23, 2010 2:47 PM

            people who have never heard of quake, unreal tournament, diablo etc etc

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            November 23, 2010 2:49 PM

            morfus and everyone on his server?

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            November 23, 2010 3:47 PM

            I think it would be fun if there were shields and blocking mechanics, like Oblivion.

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              November 23, 2010 3:48 PM

              At this point I think we should aim slightly lower. Let's say it would be fun if damage worked 100% on release and take it from there.

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            November 23, 2010 3:51 PM

            It could be great if implemented properly.

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              November 23, 2010 3:53 PM

              Yeah, but you're thinking of the months-in-advance version of PvP, not how it will be when released tomorrow

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          November 23, 2010 2:56 PM

          yah PvE would be ideal... dunno if that will be even possible at least right at release.

        • foo
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          November 23, 2010 3:32 PM

          I need more discussion on this. You guys that want to keep the current world, do you want PVE or no mobs at all?

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            November 23, 2010 3:38 PM

            I'd like P vs E, but don't see the point of pvp.

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            November 23, 2010 3:41 PM

            If it's an option I personally am all for PvE

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              November 23, 2010 3:43 PM

              Perhaps we could just agree on consensual pvp? Like designated dual/battlegrounds?

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                November 23, 2010 3:47 PM

                It's all in the technical issues really. Last I heard was that there would be no PvP flag at release so you would either have all damage or no damage. If there is a way to divide areas into PvE/PvP I would love that, I want to try PvP but not necessarily have it on all the time.

              • foo
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                November 23, 2010 3:47 PM

                This is what I want. Like, I could change the chat color for anyone willing to be available to PVP at any time.

                Like, green = neutral, no pvp
                orange = pvp, kill any time you want

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                November 23, 2010 3:47 PM

                That's called morfus' server. Without some significant mod action you're not going to see optional PvP within the same server as a PvE only server

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            November 23, 2010 3:46 PM

            no mobs at all. it seems clear to me that your server should be the builder server; it's where all the impressive constructions are. it has far and away the greatest number of pre-existing structures that we'd want to save. let the other underdeveloped servers do the pve thing; they don't have many buildings worth saving from creepers anyway.

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              November 23, 2010 3:48 PM

              Well... There's a reason I'm asking all this

              I'm debating on leaving the current server alone, and setting up another, which would be all wide open pvp with mobs.

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                November 23, 2010 3:49 PM

                i think that would be a great solution

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                November 23, 2010 4:38 PM

                I like this solution. I'll even help admin/mod/whatever it.

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              November 23, 2010 3:54 PM

              Since I know that Mamiya probably won't see this, he would vote the same way as electroly would

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                November 23, 2010 4:02 PM

                with how things are currently, yeah. PvE isn't what I am excited about either, but I'd find it far preferable to PvP. If the two can be separated PvE wouldn't be so bad. I've been stocking up on arrows after all.

                But it seems the two are tied together ATM

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                  November 23, 2010 4:07 PM

                  and yeah, my personal pref would be what electroly says. I'm aware I'm in a minority though. Or is it a silent majority? :P

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              November 23, 2010 4:46 PM

              I think those constructions are only made greater when done in the face of adversity. PvP does seem incredibly pointless though unless implemented for a very specific scenario, on a specific server. As others say, right now there is no point in killing other people other than griefing.

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            November 23, 2010 3:55 PM

            I'm perfectly fine with mobs. I just don't see the point with PvP since there is no real system in place for it. Murray and I were talking about this earlier today. PvP minecraft really needs zones of control. As it stands right now, PvP will do what? Result in griefing of structures, and the occasional whacking or arrow shooting of someone for what, them to respawn? To steal their minerals? Because no one will carry shit on them out in the open if that happens or help each other.

            I thought the whole point everyone was excited about damage was so we could have mobs on again and work together to try and survive, not grief each other :P If that's what everyone really wants, then have at it, I love PvP stuff, but don't see how it could be any fun the way Minecraft's systems are designed right now.

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              November 23, 2010 4:14 PM

              What if we started new, with a line drawn in the sand (huge wall dividing east from west). East is PVE, west is PVP. Anyone caught killing people on the east gets a temp ban?

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                November 23, 2010 4:23 PM

                There you go!

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                  November 23, 2010 4:24 PM

                  Sometimes the simple things are the best things

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                    November 23, 2010 4:27 PM

                    the big people at my school said I was simple, that's good right?

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                    November 23, 2010 4:27 PM

                    Heh, That would work, it's not like I'd even *mind* PvP being on. I just think it's pretty pointless as the game is right now and it wouldn't be much fun. But, whatever the majority decides I'm good.

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                November 23, 2010 4:27 PM

                i would be curious to see how many people go west after the first day or two

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                  November 23, 2010 4:31 PM

                  This at least gives people the option. If you're not in a PVP mood, just stay at your house in the east. If you've had a bad day and want to kill dudes, head west

                  HMM

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                November 23, 2010 4:31 PM

                I just vote that (assuming that Notch gives us the option) we make Merc1 PvE only. Anyone who wants a PvP fix can go to morfus'.

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                  November 23, 2010 4:34 PM

                  I guess it would be Merc2, I should say, if it's the reboot server. Or foo1 :P

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            November 23, 2010 4:49 PM

            PEE VEE PEE

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        November 23, 2010 2:44 PM

        I don't see why a reset would be necessary for this. People can spawn into the safety of the areas that have been built up, but if they want to build new stuff or go have an adventure, there's plenty of territory where they can go to do that. I don't see why we can't have the server have both open combat and the buildings we've already done.

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          November 23, 2010 2:45 PM

          They don't want their structures to be damaged

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            November 23, 2010 3:38 PM

            By monsters? That's trivial damage and easy to rebuild. Just make more lights or post guards by city walls.

            Player damage is already handled by building privileges, right?

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          November 23, 2010 6:02 PM

          I think it's more a question of economy?

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      November 23, 2010 11:50 AM

      Bah, I want to blow shit up and still can't connect to Haxim's server :P

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      November 23, 2010 11:55 AM

      When you kill a player, a player corpse block should drop so you could make a chair out of corpses.

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        November 23, 2010 11:58 AM

        hahaha, awesome!

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        November 23, 2010 12:00 PM

        I want to make armor out of them.

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        November 23, 2010 12:01 PM

        Skulls for the skull throne!

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        November 23, 2010 12:08 PM

        brilliant!

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        November 23, 2010 1:23 PM

        That's actually a great idea... but it would make me a little bit paranoid if I'm peacefully building a pleasant structure... and somebody walks by with a sword and armor.. looking at me like a trophy with legs.

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      November 23, 2010 12:04 PM

      Shadowdane's Server -- FYI with the talk of a reset on Mercfox's server, I'm not resetting the world is only 220MB currently, so going to stick with the old world.

      There is still a lot of area untouched near the spawn... so plenty of areas for people to build.

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        November 23, 2010 12:11 PM

        By the weekend there should be a railway available from spawn to the east side of the map that has been untouched outside of the sky canal area. Someone had also built a tunnel to my railway from bedrock at the north part of Port NuLime so maybe there could be an expansion in that direction?

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        November 23, 2010 12:29 PM

        I hope tomorrows update fixes the game to a state where I would want to continue again :(

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      November 23, 2010 12:54 PM

      Love this music video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIhs8_m5qPc&fmt=22

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        November 23, 2010 1:11 PM

        that was great

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        November 23, 2010 1:16 PM

        That was cute :D

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        November 23, 2010 1:37 PM

        This is awesome.

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        November 23, 2010 2:45 PM

        Too cute.

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        November 23, 2010 7:22 PM

        I think it would be sweet to have preset pve zones where cities and small outposts could be built. As for city to city transportation + transportation systems, that's totally up to the players at their own risk. Kinda like eve online or privateer.

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      November 23, 2010 1:52 PM

      As much as I hate all this server wipe talk, I gladly welcome back the massive daily Minecraft Thread :D

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        November 23, 2010 1:54 PM

        So to confirm, if we reset, you'll take the world files and host a 'no mobs, build only' server?

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          November 23, 2010 2:01 PM

          Correct. I am currently researching pricing on server co-location costs.

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        November 23, 2010 2:02 PM

        I can hardly even imagine the size these things will get to if clan support and competitive modes are added.

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          November 23, 2010 2:07 PM

          I've got the hardware + disk space. My only problem is bandwidth. The connection I have available for the server now is only 3mbit up. That wouldn't hold that many players. I'm trying to see how much it would be to rent a 1U spot at ye ol' local co-locating company.

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            November 23, 2010 2:16 PM

            We need the server to be in alaska, so we can lag dupe easier!

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            November 23, 2010 2:22 PM

            Its possible you could get a virtual server of some sort with the required bandwidth and power for less than 1U of colo and the bandwidth. Worth looking at.

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              November 23, 2010 2:39 PM

              Yup. Looking into that too

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                November 24, 2010 1:39 PM

                Whats required for this? I may have some capacity laying around, can discuss the possibility of putting up a server in the company co-lo.

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          November 23, 2010 2:19 PM

          yah at some point we'd have to wipe or limit exploration... I think it is just silly to expect this map to be completely permenant forever. I think maybe we should setup a schedule or something... maybe every 3 months it gets wiped or maybe longer like 6 months?

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      November 23, 2010 3:10 PM

      Welcome back Massive Minecraft Threads

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      November 23, 2010 3:13 PM

      doors seem broken somehow. open wood door, it closes itself and I can never walk through. also got a button not transmitting power, though a nearby pressure plate is doing so fine

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        November 23, 2010 3:37 PM

        Same...

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        November 23, 2010 3:50 PM

        I've seen the button thing happening, my doors have been working fine so far though. I think it's some quirks with the blocks respawning fix mod.

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          November 23, 2010 4:39 PM

          also blocks destroyed count on the stats page not rising

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        November 23, 2010 4:06 PM

        levers busted too. levers and buttons: broke. pressure plates: fine

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      November 23, 2010 4:20 PM

      can someone please give werkzo build rights? whats the deal i thought he was already in

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      November 23, 2010 4:26 PM

      Only thing I cant find is the shacktag for font size.....

      I am not talking sample tags.

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      November 23, 2010 5:01 PM

      The legend of Penis Island will never die.

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      November 23, 2010 5:35 PM

      Was told to post in here asking for build permission, i am a friend of Mr. Johnson and Bechard. they told me to buy the game, just did like 5 mins ago

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      November 23, 2010 7:24 PM

      I think it would be sweet to have preset pve zones where cities and small outposts could be built. As for city to city transportation + transportation systems, that's totally up to the players at their own risk. Kinda like eve online or privateer.

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      November 23, 2010 7:37 PM

      I think it would be so fun to have a battle server. With a couple of warring factions, with designated server-wide battle times, neutral and contested territory. People could build forts and mine until battle time, then it's just all out war. Battle is over at a certain point, then people recover and rebuild. I think it would be such a fun team effort.

      You'd have people that tried to be scouts and check out farms and sabotage all that so their resources became harder to mine and slower to produce, etc. That would be great.