Morning Discussion

My very favourite news of E3 2010 came in the dying moments of the show--Trine 2 was announced for Spring 2011 with online co-op and Zeno Clash developer ACE Team's new game Rock of Ages was unveiled.

The Nintendo 3DS is wonderful, by all accounts, but I'm not ready to trade my DSi in just yet. Portal 2 was clearly going to be amazing. I've yet to take to an MMORPG so my enthusiasm for Warhammer 40,000: Dark Millennium Online is muted. Kirby's Epic Yarn and Journey look delightful but if I were to get a console right now, it would not be a PlayStation 3 or Wii. It's been known for yonks that Mafia II is blimming lovely. I imagine I'll enjoy Bulletstorm but it's not the sort of game I eagerly await. Eric Chahi's "spiritual heir to Populous" sounds intriguing but I'd like to see more. These are all fine things, make no mistake, but they didn't have me bouncing up and down.

In those final minutes of the show, when I was completely cream crackered, the Rock of Ages and Trine 2 announcements came in and a massive grin spread across my face. A surge of energy spread through my body and suddenly I wasn't sleepy at all. My mildly deranged state of exhaustion no doubt helped with that but honestly, how can you fail to smile at these video games? By being dead inside, that's how.

From The Chatty

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    June 18, 2010 5:02 AM

    does eve not count as a MMORPG?

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      June 18, 2010 5:04 AM

      It counts as a MMOUI.

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        June 18, 2010 5:05 AM

        MMOE or MMOSS

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        June 18, 2010 5:05 AM

        it is an rpg, it just so happens that all the roles you can play are bureaucrats.

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        June 18, 2010 5:05 AM

        massively multiplayer online excel spreadsheet, mmoes?

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      June 18, 2010 5:05 AM

      EVE is a 4X

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        June 18, 2010 5:06 AM

        gegtik, what did you do?!

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        June 18, 2010 5:14 AM

        i dont know.. most of eve is about drama. Corp drama, faction drama and alliance drama. i can't think of any X words to append to "explore, expand, exploit, and exterminate"

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        June 18, 2010 10:30 AM

        LOL that was an awesome and fun argument that day

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      June 18, 2010 5:05 AM

      I played for about five weeks then lost interest.

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        June 18, 2010 5:08 AM

        Sounds like an MMORPG to me, then

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          June 18, 2010 5:09 AM

          I lost interest in Star Trek Online after six hours. That's more representative of my experiences with MMORPGs.

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            June 18, 2010 5:10 AM

            Eve doesn't have Tribbles.

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            June 18, 2010 5:38 AM

            Star Trek Online is just Champions Online without the furries.

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          June 18, 2010 5:09 AM

          haha I like this response.

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        June 18, 2010 5:09 AM

        So goes just about every MMO game out there.

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        June 18, 2010 5:12 AM

        what game holds interest longer than 5 weeks except a very rare few?

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          June 18, 2010 5:15 AM

          MMOs are specifically tuned to hold interest for exactly 5 weeks for the majority of people so they need to re-sub!

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          June 18, 2010 5:16 AM

          I find five weeks of an MMORPG to be less satisfying than five weeks of most other games because MMORPGs are all about progression, moving forwards towards new skills, enemies, areas and whatnot. My enjoyment isn't necessarily about what I'm doing now, it's looking forward to what I'll be doing next. Typical MMO gameplay is dull but the progression and social elements prop it up.

          I also have no interest in returning to MMORPGs once I've had my fill, while I'll often replay singleplayer campaigns I enjoyed.

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            June 18, 2010 5:18 AM

            I do separate EVE from the general flood of MMORPGs, though. I still grew tired of it, disliked the grinding and feel a little unfulfilled but enjoyed it far more than I do most.

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              June 18, 2010 5:32 AM

              I flip flop between states, sometimes i love MMOs and sometimes i hate them. They are the ultimate utilitarian game. At their core it is a trade for time for rewards, whether its dungeons, crafting, lotteries or tournaments: gear is accrued from whoever sinks in the most time. From the outside the digital carrot on a stick seems a little pathetic and unconvincing but i can testify that these rewards are extremely persuasive if they are relevant to you.

              I think the attraction to MMOs is that it makes you feel like you have done something with your time. With SP games there is a great feeling of satisfaction when you complete it. With MMOs there is no end, but each minigoal you set yourself can be equally as satisfying. I for one felt satisfied that after grinding snakes for 6 hours i had enough scales so i could make a belt that gave me enough defence to make me immune to critical strikes, for instance.

              My attitude has changed a lot for MMOs now. I no longer get the "guilt" when i quit one. I can quit after a month without feeling like i've given up (like with the violin or piano as a child), safe in the knowledge that i got a lot of game for £30.

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            June 18, 2010 5:21 AM

            Hit the nail on the head, there - most MMOs just aren't fun outside of stats/achievements.

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            June 18, 2010 5:41 AM

            there is so much to learn and see in good mmorpg's, especially eve. they are so full of content and systems to understand that i am completely the opposite, especially eve. i quit eve because i realized it was trying to simulate a real society and that i really should spend this energy in real society

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              June 18, 2010 5:48 AM

              i dont think it tries to simulate real society but rather one has arisen out of necessity. With the extremely lofty requirements for the top tier content, players are forced to band to together in a very natural and open way allowing for backstabbings and deceit.

              Any other MMO based on this kind of stuff would have some obnoxious mechanic where you build up a "deceive meter" that you can use to unleash abilities to fuck up your corp mates.

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                June 18, 2010 11:58 AM

                what? more like, petition gm who then bans the other player and returns the stuff taken.

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          June 18, 2010 6:05 AM

          CoD4, Street Fighter, Diablo 2

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        June 18, 2010 5:50 AM

        I did pretty much the same when I played a couple years ago. It's an amazing game but I think it requires a good group of people to play with in order to remain interesting. If you play mostly solo it becomes like a second job pretty fast.

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      June 18, 2010 5:39 AM

      It's Microsoft's prototype of a new massively multiuser spreadsheet.

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      June 18, 2010 6:08 AM

      It's a Massive Multiplayer Online Game, and I'm going to leave it at that.

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      June 18, 2010 10:28 AM

      I played EVE for two months, but then got married and got sucked right out of it, never returned. It was fantastic, but the main thing I loved about it was the UI and how integrated the wiki was for everything. I also liked the calm n00b atmosphere.

      Then I played Warcraft for about 3 months and got to level 40. I got immensely bored once I realized I would have to start putting in much more effort on a daily basis to get to 80 in a reasonable amount of time.

      It's all about presentation for me. After seeing the tech demo for FF14 I'm interested in it, and the shots from the 40K MMO look totally badass. And of course, SWTOR............

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      June 18, 2010 12:02 PM

      EVE is the best MMORPG i have ever played.