Weekend Discussion: High Water Warning
Assuming that Mother Nature doesn't have any other surprises in store, I just need to wash off this mud and maybe, just maybe, I'll have the chance to sink some more time into Red Dead Redemption and Split/Second before Super Mario Galaxy 2 hits.
By the way, my aspiring comedian of a brother Reid--now a college graduate!--has a new clip as part of his final run in the National College Comedy Competition. The poor guy has to deal with the real world after this, so if you like it, perhaps give him a vote?
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replyany word on when/if red dead will be out for PC?
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Expect Christmas to March. No source, just past history.
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If they do announce it, it'll probably be in the next couple of months. I think 4 months after GTA4 came out they announced it was coming to PC.
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knowing Rockstar, it's going to come at some point, probably at the end of this year.
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GTA4 came out 8 months later on PC. The episodes took so long because they were 360 exclusives.
Anyway I hope they take their time with this one and do a better port. Working AA, better performance, something to make it stand out more than increased res and mouse controls and possibly a video editor.-
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I expect by Thanksgiving or Christmas. :D
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Spring 2011
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Wise you are.
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who knows, with all the whining about GTA IV when it came out I wouldn't be surprised R* skips pc from now on for all its releases. Uneducated pc gamers ruin it for everyone (why can't my 5 year old dual core processor with 2gb of ram and a dx8 gpu play it at full detail OMG it's a bad port!!)
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u mad brah?
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nope I'm not mad, that's just how it seems these days :S
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I'M NOT MAD...
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I think this was due to a memory leak out of the box... could be wrong too lazy to google-fu it
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Why can't my E8500 and 4890 run the game at 1920x1080 at any level smoothly? No matter what I do my framerate fluctuates wildly all the time. If it was always high that'd be awesome. If it was always low I could handle it. But going high-->low-->high-->low every couple of seconds drives me up the wall.
Rockstar's GTA games have always felt pretty crappy on PC and have always come with stupid issues. VIce City had a shitty draw distance, San Andreas won't do 1920x1080 for some fucking reason (and the NumPad 5 key can't be bound to anything either, wtf), GTA IV runs like shit on my PC for reasons unknown.
As awesome as RDR sounds, I really have little faith that if they did bring it to the PC that it would work properly and have no retarded niggles.-
GTA4 is very CPU intensive. Tri/Quad Cores give it big boosts in performance since it was developed on consoles that had it (probably was the straight port from the 360 which has three cores so benchmarks I've seem of the AMD Tri-core CPU's had good numbers for GTA4).
I upgraded my CPU to quad core that's equivalent to my C2D and it runs a lot smoother. Also a 5870 and a 8 GB of RAM to play at 1920x1200 and High details and draw distance instead of medium/low.-
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I really think there is a lot going on with the engine and that's why it seems unoptimized. I ran it fine when it came out on my c2 x6800 @ 3.4. But I was only pushing 1680 with high settings getting 30 sometimes down to 15fps though. I also think there was initially a memory leak problem when it came out that was fixed after a few patches.
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Well if you run it at the console settings like medium and 720p then the game runs as good if not better.
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Compared to other console ports it really doesn't run as well as youd expect is all I'm saying. Try it out, barely any increase in perfomance at 720p and medium settings whereas other games will see jumps from 30 fps to 60 or more at resolutions twice as high plus AA & AF.
shakeybonez makes good points about all the shit going on compared to other titles.
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lol, so true.
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Man, so much wrong in this post. I don't recall much complaining about Rockstar making a shitty port, in fact i recall people saying it was pretty good. And people knew going in that it was going to be a system crusher. Also all the bitching was about Securom being cunts, which they still are.
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haha just google gta iv bad port and you'll see what I mean. people with medium range computers flipped out about it when it was released.
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It was a terrible port. Most people who had problems could run every other mainstream game fine. It's the only game I've ever seen where you can change damn near every setting in the graphics menu from max to min, and it only effected the framerate by about 5 FPS. That game was way too CPU dependent.
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Sure, I can make it look like ass and it will run ok. Or I can run it at my native resolution, just like I run all my games, and see it choke every now and then without any real reason. It has a lot of options, yes, but that doesn't make it a good port. That being said, it is a lot better than San Andreas was. :)
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I just heard Lazlow on Opie and Anthony say something like "I don't know any details, but we'll probably get around to it after we make our money back on the platforms that don't pirate 80% of the copies being played."
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Ithink it was Thursday's episode by the way. He was in for the last hour and a half or so with RDR. Anthony plays the gunsmith in Armadillo.
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Here's the link to it if you want to listen http://kotaku.com/5537476/one-excellent-hour-with-rockstar-games-talking-red-dead-redemption
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15% of publisher sales are pc, in case of rockstar probably less (port is slow). the engine already runs on the pc and the did the same thing with gta4 and the ah so exclusive episodes. fact is they want the money and they will go for it after the console sales are saturated. what they said is bullshit and serves the sle purpose of pushing console sales (many pc dudes even stated that they possible will buy it again on the pc).
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because since the last shitty midnight pc port, they only made shitty console games like racing and a pingpong game. nobody gives a flying fuck about that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockstar_San_Diego
red dead redemption supposedly has cost 100 millions they will try to get every single penny they can for this game.
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Add mouse/keyboard support to your game and i'll buy a 360 or ps3
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lol give me a break, you think he'll say "maybe" and lose console rdr sales
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ha, they said the same thing about GTAIV and the expansions.
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the original red dead isn't on pc though....
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Thank God. Because it was just okay.
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This isn't meant to sound trollish, but there are so many threads from PC gamers who demand some title or another on the PC. I don't understand something: unless you're a casual gamer who only plays one game for a long time before moving on to another, or a casual gamer who barely games at all, why don't you just buy a console? I can't imagine being a gamer these days without having at least a PS3 or a 360.
Again, this isn't meant to scoff at PC gamers. The PC's been my favorite platform since the 286 days, but I also own consoles because if you're a gamer, you almost have to.-
certain people refuse to believe it can be fun and effective to use a controller even though they've spent literally 1000x time more or longer practicing on a mouse and keyboard than a controller
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Most console shooters have autoaim, lock-on, or both, so I don't see how that would be an impediment.
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I use it way more than Dead Eye, I use Dead Eye for hats and nooses mainly.
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said by someone who must not have ever seriously played a console shooter
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For one, I don't like the controllers. For two, I like the PC mods. For three, there are enough good games still available for PC that don't care to purchase a console. If a game is not available on PC I am not going to play it. One may say that I am missing out on that game but if I played console games there would be PC games I am missing out on. I don't spend all day gaming.
The day they stop making PC games I will consider a console, but probably still won't buy one.
I loved my NES and SNES but discovered PC gaming and sold my N64 and never ever used my PS2; I hated the controls.-
I love PC gaming for all those reasons, dognose. Thanks for answering the question. And as someone who bought GTA4 for PC, I also hope RDR makes its way to the platform at some point. I just know you in particular don't play on consoles, so this thread was made out of curiosity about gamers such as yourself who could buy a console, but don't.
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I appreciate your understanding. It's refreshing.
Sometimes, it's like someone tries to get me to play Everquest, or a sports game.
"You should play it."
"I don't like sports games."
"But this is a really good one."
"I'm sure it is. Word on the street is it's fantastic."
"Then buy it."
"I would if I liked sports games."
"You're missing out."
"No I'm not, I have FPS games to play."
"If you'd just try one, you'd like it."
"I have tried them. That is how I know I don't like them."
"Troll."
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You assume falsely that people who wait for the PC version do not own the necessary consoles. I have a functional PS3, and I'm still going to wait for the PC version of RDR. I hate playing shooters with game pads, and most PS3 games don't support mouse/keyboard, even if the console does.
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I thought about that but completely forgot to include it. Thanks for pointing it out because it is indeed a valid point.
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I was bred on PC shooters, but sometimes I prefer certain shooters on consoles. I actually enjoyed BioShock more on Xbox 360 because using the bumpers to select plasmids and guns allowed me to pause the game select, thus infusing combat with a bit of pseudo turn-based strategy. Sometimes I love the franticness of having to fight or flee while scrambling for weapons, but in BioShock, I preferred to focus more on carefully selecting plasmids and weapons during fighting rather than madly punching keys.
It all comes down to personal preference. I still prefer FPS games on PC, but I'm not adverse to playing them with controllers.
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what's there not to get about that?
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lowest common denominator and all...
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CrustaR, I didn't mean to sound as if I was up in arms. :( Honestly just curious.
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I don't see much "demanding" so much as I see people simply wondering or questioning if a title is coming to their preferred platform. I'm in a different situation than most maybe, but I do nearly 100% of my gaming on my PC or our Wii as we have children and it's hard for me to find the time to play PS3 games that I would like to play without them being up or me having work to do. (I do own a PS3) So I just play PC games when I can or Wii games with them. Sure, I miss out on Uncharted 2, and GTA4 on the PS3, or God of War 3, but that's ok. I still get to enjoy Mass Effect, Battlefield BC 2, L4D2, GTA4 on my PC, Trine's cool, Red Faction Guerrilla, a whole slew of games I honestly barely have time to even play very much.
I don't *have* to have RDR on release day and if it's coming to the PC, that would be great. I'm not insisting by asking if it's coming, I'm just curious. I also play many of these games with a 360 controller. Batman, Dirt 2, and GTA4 play flawlessly with it. I built this PC for $750 (quad core, 8 gigs ram, win 7) and it's my work and play machine so while it cost more than a console, it's provided me much more value overall given it does everything I need it to, including playing games that look much better than their console counterparts and control just the same, if not better in some cases.
I play Wii, PC, DS, iPhone/iPad, board, card, all kindsa games. I prefer certain games on certain platforms and that's about the end of it. I'm sure we all do the same.
Imagine if in an alternate world, Epic announce Gears of War 3 was a Wii exclusive. You don't think people might wish it was on a "better" platform? It's not about entitlement or elitism or anything like that, you would just prefer to play it on a platform with better graphics, better online, etc. Much like some folks would rather play say, RDR, on the PC with better graphics, at their desks, away from the kids, with mods, whatever. It's just a preference. -
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My PC elitism only shines in two instances: multiplayer FPS, and strategy games. I can't play either on consoles. That's not to say those games can't be good on consoles, just that I refuse to play them with a controller because they're too frustrating. Single-player FPS games don't bother me because I'm not really competing with anything.
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There are different ways to define "hardcore". I consider myself a hardcore gamer who invests lots of time in individual games, but I also like to play a lot of different games, though probably not as many as other gamers. I play maybe 6 or 7 new games a year for quite a bit, but also spend time playing older favorites.
You could also define "hardcore" gamers as those who are really good at one type of game, but they're not really gamers, because I believe gamers are people who love games -- meaning more than just one or two.-
You sound like you spend alot of time trying to figure out how to categorize "gamers" instead of just accepting that they are all into gaming on some level. Maybe not just like you, or into the games as much or as little as you are, or even on the platform you happen to prefer.
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I don't spend "a lot of time" trying to categorize gamers. I didn't even think about it until I tried to address MercFox's question. Obviously everyone games differently, but that means there are categories of gamers, yes. It doesn't matter to me. I believe everything comes down to personal preference.
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I think there's actually a fairly deep issue here that's worth examining, that comes from the base assumption that anyone would have anything in common with a person just because they both play videogames.
People make this assumption a lot, especially among gamers. It's the entire philosophy behind the gaming convention PAX (which purports to speak for everyone that plays videogames, collectively) even though (at least, evidenced by my experience at PAX East) it promotes a somewhat specific brand and idealization of gaming.
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Many casual gamers do that. I have a friend who owns a PS3, and he has literally only played Warhawk for the past 2-3 years (however long that game has been out).
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I can only answer for myself. I have both a 360 and a PS3. In fact I even have RDR. But I do wait for a lot of games to come out on PC because it's my preferred gaming platform. In fact I've only bought these consoles late in the cycle to play some great games that can only be played on console. (As opposed to my console-loving friends who were in line for an X360 before there was even a good reason to have one.)
I think the emphasis on consoles in the past decade has had overall negative effects for gaming in general. Some types of games have been simplified ("dumbed down") to play better with a gamepad or have more mass market appeal. Other game types have died out altogether. It could be argued that "consolization" has improved the gaming world too. Certainly games are more "cinematic" nowadays. But one of the big things that always set PC gaming apart from other forms of entertainment was a certain amount of creation that was allowed in may PC games. Custom content made a great game out of NWN, which would otherwise have been only mediocre. DotA was never intended by Blizzard, they just provided the tools. In fact I've lost count of how many games have come out where the developers have said that they were surprised and delighted by what the gaming community was able to do with their game post-release. And of course these modders get snapped up by game studios and the cycle continues.
In a lot of ways, I compare it to how I prefer to entertain/inform myself on the internet (news sites, blogs, forums, etc.) more than TV. On TV, content is made for the mass market, packaged, and delivered in a "read-only" format. Sometimes that's great. (I love Fringe, Lost, Chuck, and others.) But for the most part I prefer the "read-write", organic nature of the internet.
So anyway, I think most PC-loving Shackers are more or less like me. Hopefully it makes more sense now?
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It's worth the wait IMO for. Never once have I demanded that they release the PC version ASAP.
GTA IV PC > GTA IV Console in several key areas, specifically re-playability. The game can be modded, clips can easily be recorded and edited, and rendered in the game itself---and if that wasn't in there - well, Fraps is the next best thing. Furthermore there's more peeps that can be brought in via MP, though this isn't a really big incentive given that the game crashes with more peeps. -
Consoles are for pedophiles.
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I do what I can for my fellow man.
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I have those as well as a PSP, NDS, and a Wii.
RDR on 360 is a blast and I really enjoy it. I definitely would play this on PC as well however I probably won't be sad if it never comes out, I got to enjoy it already. Also I probably would play this with my wired 360 controller on PC as well. Some games just play more fluidly with a controller and I'm controller agnostic or what not and don't have a strong preference over one or the other. I can use both just fine and I think it's mostly mental that people can't let go one form over the other. I just know what I want to do and I perform it on whatever I'm using, gamepad or KB+M.
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It's not so much i don't like the controller, but pretty much was mr. dognose said. There are still plenty of great games on the PC, and if RDR doesn't come out, oh well i guess i won't play it for a while. Also it's because i can't really afford a console right now. That i need a new TV.
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control scheme, mods, graphics. My favorite genres are FPS, Flight Sim and RTS. And I don't feel the need to play every game. If the game is console only, oh well. More time for game X on my PC. I also like modding as well as playing mods. And I can shoot for 60 FPS higher than high def with most games. Mostly though I'm a kbm whore
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I prefer shooters on PC, but RDR is so much more about atmosphere and just roaming around, and I don't think I'd like it as much if it weren't on a 52 inch tv with 5.1 audio.
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I see this a lot, but I think people seriously underestimate how good a 24" monitor compares to any large tv. Any tv I can afford is nowhere near as good as my monitor that I sit much closer to.
Next time you go see a movie, sit in the back of the theater, then move to the front.
I'm pretty sure the reason I hated Ace Combat on xbox is because I played it on a tv. 52 inch wouldn't be much of an improvement.-
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Maybe my TV is nicer than one you can afford? :)
Also, it's relaxing to sit back on the couch and play.
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Hook console to monitor boom
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I own a 360 but hate the control scheme for these types of games.
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rockstar toronto is a few miles away from me i can go in mission impossible style to check what theyre working on
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It'll be on PC in a year and $10 at walmart a year after that.
