Morning Discussion

Laser eye surgery is so retro. In my future, we get back to basics and do it ourselves. I cannot see anything like this without feeling a powerful urge to replay Deus Ex, Blade Runner and Syndicate, which I believe is the correct response.

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    April 14, 2010 5:01 AM

    I never played Syndicate. I am pretty ashamed of that!

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      April 14, 2010 5:03 AM

      and you should be!

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      April 14, 2010 5:03 AM

      you should be! it's fucking awesome

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      April 14, 2010 5:04 AM

      You disgust me.

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      April 14, 2010 5:10 AM

      I'm ashamed to have ever infected you.

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      April 14, 2010 5:13 AM

      A state of mind well deserved for such a heinous ommission.

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      April 14, 2010 5:15 AM

      game is on point. syndicate wars was awesome too, played the shit out of it back in the day, but it never really got its due with gamers.

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        April 14, 2010 5:37 AM

        Briefly (about a month or so), I would play Syndicate Wars over Kali with my friend.

        Oh man, there was some good shit there, but there was never anyone else to play with. We had some epic fights, including the time I hid my agents inside a building and then used a clone shield to disguise one agent as a civilian and then, mingling in with the NPCs, wandered up to his team and self-destructed and wiped his squad out. The downside was the game gave you no credit for kills as a result of self-destruct.

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      April 14, 2010 5:16 AM

      Sickening.

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      April 14, 2010 5:17 AM

      Oh fuck me, respect points have just dropped harddddddddd. You play yourself as some be all end all passionate PC gamer.
      Oh boy :( rip SpaecKow.

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        April 14, 2010 5:28 AM

        haha, indeed

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          April 14, 2010 6:25 AM

          Oh ya well dudes like you are the closeted self hating gay republican congressmen of PC gaming. "yay xcom console fps!!" indeed!

          :P !

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            April 14, 2010 6:46 AM

            Let me say this, I think for it's age, Syndicate may be one of the only games still playable to this day - the graphics were high resolution and the gameplay was fucking tip top. It's honestly worth doing it. I know I've done it in the past 3 or 4 years.

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              April 14, 2010 6:47 AM

              Mate the only reason I posted this thread is because I'm making a list of old 1990's games I missed and Syndicate is on it. There's no way I'm going to ignore something that I see talked about so much.

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                April 14, 2010 6:59 AM

                I wish you luck but i know most old games never hold the quality they would have if you played them at the time :(


                I mean fuck man we're talking possibly before Doom, DOS4GW days, forcing the 16bit OS in to 32bit mode (iirc that's what it was for?) You needed 4mb of ram and it was one of the only games which did 640x480 for MANY MANY years - if I stretch my poor brain, I THINK that sim rollercoaster? theme coaster? whatever game was the next high res game (wow over 320x200!)

                The music was incredibly moody and the gameplay is genuinely good, especially researching upgrades.
                TBH it's mostly shallow - I mean the depth is 'find the best way through the town without getting killed' but the violence was brilliant for it's time and the detail was so so so goddamned good - I think the 640x480 is the only thing which keeps it playable.

                The intro (which you've no doubt seen on youtube) was good, the menu UI was good, it was just sweet.
                The problem is nowadays it's so easy to press alt enter and exit some awesome nostalgic game and go back to /latestchatty.x/ or gmail.com/inbox or fire up a modern game :( those days? You wanna quit Syndicate? What for - there WAS nothing else to play, maybe Dune 2? or go back to DOS.

                Good game, good game. - don't bother with the expansion though - it's stupid fuckoff insanely harder - and you won't enjoy it compared to the original game.

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                  April 14, 2010 7:03 AM

                  You know what's funny, that never happens to me with really old games. Like, I played Fallout for the first time around 2005 I think. I loved it, I didn't care about the presentation. There's something about game design back then, you know.

                  Tell you what has certainly soured on me second time around - Half Life 2. I think that's the curse of these scripted games, if you make one then its an arms race with fucking Modern Warfare and Uncharted and whoever to make the scriptiest scripted sequence that ever scriptied, or your game sucks. Worse yet, if you go back to it, it just looks old and out of date.

                  On the other hand in Deus Ex and Vampire, I create basically everything that happens, so that will never get old :D

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                    April 14, 2010 7:16 AM

                    Agreed somewhat (though I still love HL2.)

                    I look forward to the time where game developers move away from scripting.

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                      April 14, 2010 9:27 AM

                      Oh I still love HL2 as well, it's just a bit long in the tooth now. That's okay though cause Ep2 is amazing :)

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                  April 14, 2010 7:15 AM

                  I can't imagine Syndicate in a resolution lower than 640. I love this thread.

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                    April 14, 2010 7:24 AM

                    I still don't know how they did it on my 256kb video card, I think it was 640x480x16? the lowest high res spec of VGA? or it was some advanced EGA - fucked if I know but it rocked.

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                      April 14, 2010 7:40 AM

                      640x480 in 16 colors is part of the standard VGA spec. Any VGA card can do it.

                      Same reason why Windows 9x and 2000 would default to that resolution before you installed graphics drivers.

                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vga

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                        April 14, 2010 7:46 AM

                        The game never looked 16 colour though - it kinda looked 64 colour or something - it's weird.
                        It wasn't but it looked better than just 16 colour. I reckon they used dithering tricks or something.

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                          April 14, 2010 7:53 AM

                          All menus and stuff was 320x200 in 256 I think, but the gameplay was 640x480x16.

                          The palets switched between missions, too. Note how some levels have a green-ish look, while others are more brown/orange.

                          I was reading through the Dithering article on wikipeida. Cool stuff: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dithering

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                April 14, 2010 7:54 AM

                Add the Magic Carpet series to it.

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        April 14, 2010 6:00 AM

        damn son

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        April 14, 2010 10:09 AM

        thank god abrasion respect points exchange at a weak rate. Pretty sure the current value of 1 ARP (abrasion respect points) is .000001 SHP (Shack Hive Points).

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      April 14, 2010 5:34 AM

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts5OGIDhz_s cold chills motherfucker, cold chills.

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      April 14, 2010 5:35 AM

      You cut me deep, Specked out KOW, real deep.

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      April 14, 2010 5:35 AM

      Speaking of Syndicate, EA and Starbreeze have recently registered Syndicate as a trademark. That's pretty much as close to a confirmation of a remake that we'll get without an actual official confirmation.

      http://supererogatory.tumblr.com/post/519567231/a-triple-confirmation

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      April 14, 2010 5:36 AM

      Syndicate was great! Bought it the day it came out, and played it to death. The music, the atmosphere, and gameplay were perfect. Beautiful cyber-noir cityscapes, brutal weapons, vehicles, and the PERSUADERTRON. Multiplayer was fun too, I loved when my opponent with have all their dudes bunched up and I'd sneak an agent in and blow his inbuilt chest explosive.

      American Revolt was disappointingly unbalanced. Syndicate Wars was fun, but didn't really re-capture the magic.

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      April 14, 2010 5:36 AM

      I should hit you with my hover car and replace your leg with a cyborg one.

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      April 14, 2010 5:38 AM

      Me either..

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      April 14, 2010 5:42 AM

      what the fuck. go play it.

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      April 14, 2010 5:48 AM

      Maybe they will release a version that works with modern computers.

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        April 14, 2010 7:38 AM

        I'd pay 20-25 bucks for a Live Arcade version.

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        April 14, 2010 10:11 AM

        DOSbox called and wants to know why you never want to hang out anymore

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      April 14, 2010 6:07 AM

      I've never even heard of it!

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      April 14, 2010 6:13 AM

      Neither did I.

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      April 14, 2010 6:16 AM

      Nothing better then persuadeatroning every single person in the level and having Xbox huge crowds following you up to an enemy.

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        April 14, 2010 6:24 AM

        I liked how civilians would pick up dropped pulse rifles from the ground and then when a fight would start they'd charge up and fire and vaporize the three guys in front of them and miss the target entirely.

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      April 14, 2010 6:18 AM

      You've got a distorted world perspective, son

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        April 14, 2010 6:23 AM

        Bring back Deep Hurting. I wanna see you writhing in pain at Santa Claus Vs the Martians.

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          April 14, 2010 6:28 AM

          Oh god that one is a classic.

          I've really been meaning to. Originally I took a 'break' because of technical difficulties, and it just turned into this long feeling of regret that I've quit for so long. I'll try to maybe do the next one next week.

          This is the movie in the next episode:
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_IV

          afdsfflksdjflsfd

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            April 14, 2010 6:30 AM

            .....Have you considered just skipping ahead to the first official season?

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              April 14, 2010 6:33 AM

              Nah. I'm mostly doing it for myself because I've only seen a handful of KTMA episodes (thanks to VHS tape trading approximately 200 years ago.) They aren't nearly as quality as the official seasons, but it's fun to see where the show came from. Plus, they still have their moments.

              It wouldn't be Deep Hurting without some deep hurting :D

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      April 14, 2010 6:49 AM

      Maggot!!

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      April 14, 2010 6:49 AM

      first game i ever played with a soundcard, that shotgun pump and shots blew me away

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      April 14, 2010 7:25 AM

      goddamnit now i want to go home and play this. fucking awesome game. round up an entire city of people with the persuadertron and then park em all on the train tracks!

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      April 14, 2010 7:35 AM

      You have done yourself a great disservice. That game is brilliant.

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      April 14, 2010 7:53 AM

      is this available digitally anywhere yet?

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        April 14, 2010 7:53 AM

        also one of my favorite games ever.

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        April 14, 2010 8:12 AM

        ^^^ This. I haven't played this game in years, but I'd love to again. Anyone know of a legit source?

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        April 14, 2010 9:43 AM

        I would imagine if it's not on GOG then no

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        April 14, 2010 2:07 PM

        Nope, that's why I haven't played it yet either. I would if EA would stop being retarded and would sell their stuff on gog.com.

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      April 14, 2010 7:59 AM

      Terrrrible layout - but this dude is a true fan. http://syndicate.lubie.org/ I emailed him and told him how much he rocks too.

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      April 14, 2010 8:32 AM

      I also never played the first one, but I did play the second one and enjoyed it.

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      April 14, 2010 8:39 AM

      American Revolt is one of the hardest most insanely impossible games I have ever played.

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        April 14, 2010 8:43 AM

        It can be finished though :) god it's not really worth it however.

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      April 14, 2010 9:44 AM

      I haven't either actually.

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      April 14, 2010 9:59 AM

      I remember loving the intro for Syndicate Wars (the game was great as well).

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      April 14, 2010 10:00 AM

      I don't know what it is but I'm going to assume it sucks since shavenewok is talking shit.

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      April 14, 2010 10:10 AM

      Well, it's nice to know that your life until this point has been completely meaningless and empty. Time to make something of yourself and pick up the CD-ROM edition on the cheap.

      Don't ever waste your time trying to play American Revolt. It's dreadful.

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        April 14, 2010 11:43 AM

        What are your feelings on the X-Com announcement?

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        April 14, 2010 11:49 AM

        American Revolt was very difficult or I just sucked :(

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          April 14, 2010 12:00 PM

          American Revolt is retardedly difficult.

          Like the Atlantic Accelerator mission: your agents start on four seperate towers, with no way of getting down. Then a crapload of enemy agents charge you, and they are all carrying motherfucking Gauss Guns !

          I have no idea how you're supposed to win that...

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            April 14, 2010 12:13 PM

            I remember that. It had to be close to 15 dudes with gauss guns all shooting at you. :(

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            April 14, 2010 12:28 PM

            haha i remember that atlantic accelerator mission, friends used to strategize on how to beat it back in elementary school :X think it ended up being load all your agents w/ shields and lasers?

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              April 14, 2010 1:27 PM

              According to the Syndicate site that Abrasion linked, it's kinda easy?

              From http://syndicate.lubie.org/synd/html/revolt_strategyguide.php

              ATLANTIC ACCELERATOR: "Guard Duty"
              Surprisingly easy (if you keep agent 3 on a sharp lookout). Make sure to deploy agent 3 with many miniguns, and ramp all agents to panic mode immediately. Then immediately air strike against the agents concentrated on the eastern platforms of the complex. Have agent 3 keep steady minigun fire against the agents rounding the corner to his/her southeast. Agent 2 can provide backup support, preferably with several lasers. The mission can be finished quickly if a good air strike is made initially with agents 2 and 3 being successful with their defense of the single walkway corner southeast of agent 3. Make sure to knock out military guards quickly to avoid air strikes. Most military guards round the same corner that agent 3 guards.
              Loadout: agent 3 with several miniguns, agent 2 with several lasers, agents 1 and 4 (if used) with miniguns or lasers in case the opposition slips through the initial defenses.

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      April 14, 2010 1:56 PM

      you're not alone, i remember playing on a friend's pc for like 5 seconds

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