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    June 25, 2009 6:01 PM

    Official Michael Jackson Remembrance Thread
    Post your well-wishes and/or ytmnd's here.

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      June 25, 2009 6:02 PM

      It's poor Blanket I feel sorry for.

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      June 25, 2009 6:02 PM

      Gonna hit up the bar tonight, take over the jukebox with Michael from the 80s, and drink til I pass out.

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      June 25, 2009 6:03 PM

      * pours out a little Jesus Juice *

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      June 25, 2009 6:03 PM

      Despite what happened to him, I'll always remember him for the 80s and the awesome music that came out of it. I like his music a lot.
      I'm going to NYC this weekend, so I'll be sure to drink one down for him.

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      June 25, 2009 6:03 PM

      So did he just sleep with kids or did he *sleep* with kids? I don't remember.

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        June 25, 2009 6:04 PM

        nothing was ever confirmed, but all signs point overwhelming to *sleeping* with kids

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          June 25, 2009 6:05 PM

          I think he was just really sleeping with kids, cause he was a kid himself, and was very rich, which can open to these kinds of defamatory attacks and lawsuits

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            June 25, 2009 6:07 PM

            a 50 year old man acting like a child is not endearing, it's creepy

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              June 25, 2009 6:10 PM

              I don't think he was allowed a childhood when he was a child and was constantly chasing that.

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                June 25, 2009 6:12 PM

                And his money allowed him to do that. Look at Neverland Ranch for Christ's sake. If I said that I was a kid at heart because I was denied a childhood I'd find myself waking up in Bedlam.

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              June 25, 2009 6:11 PM

              creepy isn't morally or legally wrong. It's definitely uncomfortable, but that doesn't make it wrong.

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              June 25, 2009 6:21 PM

              it's definitely creepy, but with all the law enforcement on him for it there was never proof he did something illegal, and the people who accused him were suspiciously suing rather looking for criminal charges.

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            June 25, 2009 6:08 PM

            And innocently giving them "Jesus Juice"? You have to ignore a metric fuckton of creepiness to convince yourself that he was really just sleeping next to little kids. MUCH more normal people have been discovered as pedophiles.

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              June 25, 2009 10:43 PM

              my parents gave me some wine when i was a little kid at the dinner table.

              in fact, one time when I couldn't sleep my dad gave me a shot of captain morgan. i was of course a little older than the kids michael dealt with at this point, but get the fuck real.

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            June 25, 2009 6:18 PM

            This is how I always viewed it. I think he was a pretty disturbed guy due to being raised by Joe Jackson (which, to be honest, would probably scar anyone) and was trying to have a childhood that he couldn't have the first time.

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          June 25, 2009 6:07 PM

          You know, I kind of buy into the whole, "Kid at heart thing." I mean, the fucker was crazy, there is no doubt. I don't think he fucked a kid in the ass or anything. His behavior was still wildly inappropriate and I think his money made it go on longer than it ever should have.

          I certainly can appreciate his impact on the music industry and enjoy the songs when they happen to be playing on the radio or in a video game (Vice City), but I am not a die-hard Michael Jackson fan.

          His life was a public spectacle and so is his death.

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            June 25, 2009 6:08 PM

            Fred the Butcher would have been in jail if he had done what Michael Jackson did, even if no kid was actually molested. A jury would convict him anyway.

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        June 25, 2009 6:07 PM

        we don't know for sure

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      June 25, 2009 6:03 PM

      Truly the end of an era

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      June 25, 2009 6:04 PM

      I liked him a lot, I credit my first nightmare to him (watched Thriller when I was 3, bad idea). I developed a super-high fever due to meningitis and I saw dozens of Michael Jackson heads floating around my bed. It was fucked up.

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        June 25, 2009 6:06 PM

        Summer of 83 my mom jammed that on the way to summer school every day.

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          June 25, 2009 6:06 PM

          I hope people remember him for his awesome music instead of those stupid bullshit lawsuits.

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            June 25, 2009 6:09 PM

            People often say, "We don't know for sure," when the question of Michael Jackson molesting kids comes up. But they are sure as fuck convinced that the families who sued him were doing it for the money, or even wanted their kids to be molested to receive a cash settlement. Why don't I ever see people say, "We don't know for sure," when it comes to those families?

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              June 25, 2009 6:10 PM

              I don't know, he was a pretty easy target. I honestly never got the "child molester" vibe from him, he had a lot of problems but I don't think he was a sexual predator.

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                June 25, 2009 6:13 PM

                And that's fine. I kind of agree with you to an extent. But I also think there's some ambiguity about those lawsuits as well. The point is that we'll NEVER know who was right and who was wrong.

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                  June 25, 2009 6:16 PM

                  So the verdict of the jury (privy to much more information than any of us) doesn't mean anything?

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                    June 25, 2009 6:18 PM

                    Do juries always make the right decisions?

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                      June 25, 2009 6:21 PM

                      Nope, but you're basing your opinion off of even less information than the jury.

                      I dunno, I was thinking about this type of thing the other day. As soon as you're accused of something (doesn't matter what it is, or if there's any evidence available), most people will automatically assume you're guilty. It's pretty fucked up, and it's not an easy habit to break (I know I certainly have a hard time with it).

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                        June 25, 2009 6:23 PM

                        But I'm still saying, "We don't know for sure." All we have to go on is what we were presented in the media. Gun to my head, no, I don't think he intentionally hurt any kids. But I still think that kind of behavior is wildly inappropriate and in the long run does more harm than good.

                        I wonder if he was ever in therapy to deal with these things. I think the people around him never said no to him and never gave him the tough love he needed later in life. I mean, gosh, look what he did to his face. It's a joke but also sad at the same time.

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                          June 25, 2009 6:26 PM

                          What behavior? He was never convicted of doing anything wrong. You're speculating.

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                            June 25, 2009 6:28 PM

                            Buddy, whether he committed a crime or not is not the point. In the realm of public opinion anything he did is fair game for criticism. He was still a weird guy.

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            June 25, 2009 6:10 PM

            I will.

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        June 25, 2009 7:02 PM

        My menengitis fever only caused me to see shadows turn into dancing Renaissance men. I am jealous.

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      June 25, 2009 6:06 PM

      I guess nobody will be blowing Bubbles

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      June 25, 2009 6:06 PM

      Stranger in Moscow is an awesome track.

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        June 25, 2009 6:59 PM

        i have this pretty sweet remix of that track good loungyt house

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      June 25, 2009 6:08 PM

      pedo-fail?

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      June 25, 2009 6:08 PM

      On one hand I miss the old MJ of old, on the other hand in the past 15 years he led a pretty despicable and horrid lifestyle and I'm not sorry to see that go. Sorry, but everyone knows he did molest those kids, and it's pretty fucking irreproachable. Oh and doesn't help he looks like Skeletor.

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        June 25, 2009 6:09 PM

        So some white trash hooker-mom accuses him of molesting her kid and you assume it's true?

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          June 25, 2009 6:13 PM

          that wasn't exactly the *only* event that leads people to thinking he was a child molester...

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            June 25, 2009 6:17 PM

            Well, he was a weirdo. But being a weirdo doesn't mean you're a child molester.

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              June 25, 2009 6:19 PM

              again, all signs point overwhelmingly to him having inappropriate relations with young children. It's still sad that the guy died unexpectedly.

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                June 25, 2009 6:27 PM

                I don't agree. He had a Peter Pan complex, was tragically naive and was the weirdo King-of-the-Freaks, which made him an easy target for money grabs. Afterall, who are you going to believe the innocent kid or the super freak?

                I never heard of any definitive proof, so I'm not going to judge him for that. There is no way to know either way, but both cases are tragic.

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                  June 25, 2009 6:33 PM

                  Yeah I guess I don't care enough to argue over it. If people want to remember him as an innocent child trapped in an adults body after his death, that's fine.

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                  June 25, 2009 6:40 PM

                  There is usually never any definitive proof in these kinds of child molestation cases.

                  But you give Michael Jackson the benefit of the doubt. Do you offer the same empathy to someone in a similar situation but without the celebrity status or money?

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                    June 25, 2009 6:47 PM

                    Yea, because you never know. The jury has more information than anyone else to base their judgment on.

                    Who am I to decide someone is guilty of a crime just because it seems like something that they might do?

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                      June 25, 2009 7:08 PM

                      I guess you have to consider the evidence and make your call.

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                    June 25, 2009 8:47 PM

                    ... yes.

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              June 25, 2009 6:21 PM

              In the court of public opinion it doesn't matter, for regular people anyway. Jackson will always have his die-hard supporters. I just read an article that his fans are already congregating at his West LA home.

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          June 25, 2009 6:30 PM

          You forget he paid them 20 million dollars to make the story go away. You don't do that unless you have something to hide.

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            June 25, 2009 6:31 PM

            Or to move on with your life.

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            June 25, 2009 6:34 PM

            That was the 1993 allegations, not the 2004 allegations. The fact that he paid off the 1993 family caused California to pass a law against that.

            I can't find it anywhere but I could have sworn the deal was that the 1993 family father was in a business deal with MJ that MJ pulled out of and so it seemed to many that he was accusing MJ to ruin his career and get the money in a settlement.

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          June 25, 2009 9:03 PM

          If people accuse you for 20 years of molesting kids, you're molesting kids.

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            June 25, 2009 10:46 PM

            Yeah it's not like suing him to fuck his career over and get enough money to retire and live off of for both you, your kids, and hell maybe even their kids, that couldn't be a motivation to lie. Not at all.

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        June 25, 2009 6:12 PM

        You're claiming absolute knowledge of something that's impossible for you to verify. That's a logical fallacy. Don't do it.

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          June 25, 2009 7:29 PM

          lol...thanks professor woombate for pointing that out. There's few things that are impossible to verify but that doesn't mean you can't take an opinion on whether it did or did not happen. I can't verify that OJ was a murderer or that Scientologists are in fact wrong about everything but that damn sure doesn't mean I can't believe the opposite.

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      June 25, 2009 6:09 PM

      All of the Jackson 5 hits on the radio when i was a kid are still great songs today, and Off The Wall and Thriller are amazing albums.

      That's the MJ I'd rather remember.

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      June 25, 2009 6:11 PM

      I always wished I could dance like him.

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      June 25, 2009 6:12 PM

      FOR ALL THE PEOPLE CASTING JUDGMENT

      I get it and in a lot of ways agree, even empathize. But the truth is that we can't know for certain and even if we did, it doesn't change much. The truth we do know is the guy had a rough life, his childhood was, by all accounts, anywhere from difficult to truly unimaginable. I hope he's at peace, no matter what he might have done in his life. That's the beauty of death.

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        June 25, 2009 6:15 PM

        I remember seeing that Michael Jackson movie as a kid where he had to go outside and cut a branch of the tree so his dad would beat the shit out of him with it. I must say, that childhood would turn me into a crazy man right quick.

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          June 25, 2009 7:12 PM

          That used to be pretty common.

          I had to cut many a switch and give it to my mom for my own switching. The unspoken rules were I had to pick a good one (long and limber), remove the leaves and then hand it to her. As soon as she had it I could run. She'd chase me a ways, and I'd usually only get it on the back and on my legs.

          I still have a small scar on chest where she got lucky one time, cracked that switch like a bull whip and ripped a small chunk out. I show it to her every now and then with a "see what you did to me!" comment, but to this day she just laughs and says "you deserved it". I expect that she is right. :)

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            June 26, 2009 1:06 AM

            lol jesus christ! My dad was that way when i was little, but he rarely disciplined me. My mom on the other hand, she beat my ass all the time.

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        June 25, 2009 6:24 PM

        you know I hope if he molested some kids they speak out more openly now and can set the record straight. the big problem is the shadiness always involved people suing him, which is equally shady. we really need some more proof one way or another.

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        June 25, 2009 11:15 PM

        hasnt been posted here yet so: http://files.kruzen.com/072003/michaeljackson.jpg

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      June 25, 2009 6:15 PM

      He may have gotten all weird later in life but you gotta admit the man was a hell of an entertainer back in the day. It's funny cause I was watching a bit of that Jackson mini-series last weekend on VH1 I think and it was bringing back all these memories. He was one of the first artists I listened to when I got old enough to be aware of music. When his Bad album came out my parents took me to see his concert. Man that had to be back around third or fourth grade. Such an amazing yet tragic life.

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      June 25, 2009 6:17 PM

      ...wow, that sucks. Off The Wall and Thriller are two of the best pop albums ever.

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      June 25, 2009 6:17 PM

      Truly an American Icon

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        June 25, 2009 6:19 PM

        Strangely, that phrase actually fits.

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      June 25, 2009 6:17 PM

      He was really into video games from what I've heard. Someone I know played Battle Arena Toshinden with him on the PS1 and said that he giggled a lot and was like a big kid at heart.

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        June 25, 2009 6:19 PM

        See that's how you know he was a child molester. Nobody liked Battle Arena Toshinden. He was faking it.

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      June 25, 2009 6:19 PM

      Long live the King. I don't care what kind of controversy he brought about, the man made some of the best music of our time.

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      June 25, 2009 6:20 PM

      I'm wondering if he's going to be cryogenically preserved. I vaguely remember hearing something about this.

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      June 25, 2009 6:20 PM

      All said and done, he was a competent artist.

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      June 25, 2009 6:22 PM

      Question

      Do you guys think we'll ever see another musician reach the level that he did when it comes to body of work, fame, and global image?

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        June 25, 2009 6:24 PM

        Fergie.

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          June 25, 2009 8:24 PM

          whenever I hear this name I still think of the Duchess of York first

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        June 25, 2009 6:24 PM

        Probably going to be NG Resonance.

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        June 25, 2009 6:25 PM

        Who else has there been on that level besides Elvis and The Beatles?

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          June 25, 2009 6:27 PM

          For music artists? Nothing immediately comes to mind. Maybe Madonna.

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        June 25, 2009 6:29 PM

        Probably not, but it isn't impossible. I think a modern day equivalent is Justin Timberlake. Both had good producers, both came from boy bands and were the standout talent in that boyband, both were good dancers (though MJ shits all over JT imo) and both had supremely catchy pop beats that were miles beyond their competitors. I think the only difference now is that we are saturated in that hip-hop-R'n'B-infused pop world now and that it's hard to be as breakaway and revolutionary.

        Something JT lacks in his music/videos/personality is that sense of creativity and I guess, to a certain extent, insanity that MJ had that really propelled him into superstardom.

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          June 25, 2009 6:31 PM

          Yeah. JT comes across as relatively down to earth, as well as funny. But I don't think his music is going to appeal to as many people as MJ's did.

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            June 25, 2009 6:34 PM

            It really depends where he goes from Futuresex/Lovesound which gave him ridiculously broad appeal but lost some of the pure pop sensibility of Justified (which, to be fair, was a far weaker album). If he could drop some of the synthy hiphop grunge and step back into the classic pop now, I think he'd be dynamite.

            Also, his work with lonely island proves that he's got good range so he really should try something a bit lighter and, dare I say it, "wackier".

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          June 25, 2009 7:01 PM

          I think JT stands out. He has evolved pretty well since the kids on the block days. I think he has the potential to be as big as MJ. Just if he starts, does he then turn himself black?

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        June 25, 2009 6:30 PM

        no

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        June 25, 2009 6:35 PM

        We probably wont, but there will absolutely always be another.

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        June 25, 2009 6:35 PM

        Soulja boy

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        June 25, 2009 6:35 PM

        better yet will anyone ever top the moonwalk?

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        June 25, 2009 6:38 PM

        of course we will... Globalization is increasing, not decreasing. It would be much easier for someone of equal talent to rise to the position he did today than at any point in the past, and it will continue to become easier in to the future.

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        June 25, 2009 7:28 PM

        no, because back then there was no internet and not as many diversions as there is now. it was so easy to focus on this one guy.

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        June 25, 2009 7:48 PM

        I would bet good money that when i die, Thriller will still be the top selling album of all time by leaps and bounds.

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          June 25, 2009 7:59 PM

          Doubtful anything will ever top it -- it's ahead of the #2 album by a 2:1 margin.

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        June 26, 2009 5:53 AM

        Absolutely not. MJ was a giant. His reach was worldwide. I can guarantee nobody will be that big of an entertainer ever again.

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        June 26, 2009 6:59 AM

        U2

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        June 26, 2009 7:16 AM

        I don't think so. The internet has made it so easy to specialise in what music you listen to. Before music was rammed down your throat on TV and Radio. You didn't have a choice in what you listened to except if you went out and bought albums your self. Now everyone can listen to who ever they want when ever they want.

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      June 25, 2009 6:23 PM

      It's weird that MTV is playing music videos but completely unsurprising that the videos are only 30 second clips of MJ's 20-minute, $8MM videos... all in-between 10 minutes of Sway and whatever celeb friend they can get on the horn or in the studio to remind us for the 50th time in a hour that MJ is the King of Pop.

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      June 25, 2009 6:25 PM

      I liked all the (good) random-assed shit he did

      - He was an unlockable character in Ready 2 Rumble Boxing: Round 2

      - He was a character in Space Channel 5

      - He played himself in obese crazy white man form in The Simpsons

      - He did a Super Bowl halftime show to a dead silent indifferent crowd of Packers fans

      - He made a cameo appearance in Men In Black 2

      - He did the background vocals on Rockwell's "Somebody's Watching Me", the one and only hit that guy had

      - He did a duet with Eddie Murphy on one of Eddie Murphy's attempts at a singing career

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        June 25, 2009 6:41 PM

        I thought he was just sampled for Rockwell, but yeah

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      June 25, 2009 6:28 PM

      When I heard about him dieing, this really old Techno song came to mind - http://shadowdane.shackspace.com/Michael%20Jackson%20Is%20In%20Heaven%20Now.mp3

      Of course minus the part about him going to Heaven. LOL
      No idea where this song is from, had it on my hard drive for YEARS.

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        June 25, 2009 7:00 PM

        sadly I have this on CD as well as James Brown is Dead, and Helmut Khol is tot

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      June 25, 2009 6:38 PM

      I wonder if it was an OD of some sort.

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        June 25, 2009 6:44 PM

        this is exactly what crossed my mind as well

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        June 25, 2009 6:48 PM

        could have been anything. cardiac arrest is how they described my mom's death to regular people.

        your heart stopping always results in death.

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          June 25, 2009 7:40 PM

          how did your mom actually die, if you don't mind sharing...

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              June 25, 2009 7:46 PM

              I posted that link because I remember her saying that they may never conclusively know.

              But after I hit "Post" it occurred to me I may have missed an update or there may be more info.

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                June 25, 2009 9:15 PM

                i'm not sure if i ever talked about it after that in any depth. i didn't read that because i still can't actually talk about my mom without crying. (i can type about it though, so most of my conversations about it have to happen in IM. fucked up, but that's life.)

                and it is not conclusive, what happened.

                i was trying to type up all that lead up to her death but it would take a longer post, and i'm not sure anyone is interested enough for me to go into it, but the long story horrendously shortened is her bowel weakened, perforated, and because of other instances and my mother's high tolerance for pain, no one told her to go to the doctor and while most would think she would have gone to a hospital and had this figured out days before it killed her, she didn't, until she collapsed and her heart stopped.

                which is why, when i read that article about jackson, i thought that something like that happened to him. whether it came on quickly or was a slow burn like my mother, it sounds like he collapsed from something, his heart stopped, they resuscitated him but, like my mother, blood had not flowed to his brain for a long enough period of time that while he was "alive" at the hospital, he was never going to come back.

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        June 25, 2009 7:20 PM

        Well also

        - He had a painkiller addiction for a while there
        - He had a few stretches where his health went into decline
        - Some of his most recent appearances had him looking quite gaunt
        - He was practicing for eight hours a day at the age of 50

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        June 26, 2009 1:38 AM

        all those 12 year old nuts

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      June 25, 2009 6:45 PM

      It's crazy... Just last weekend I said to my friends "if there's one thing I regret about my music collection, it's that I don't have enough 80's MJ on it" and they all made fun of me. One of them was one of the first to say "omg I can't believe MJ is dead"

      I still can't believe it. How sudden and unexpected.

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      June 25, 2009 6:47 PM

      Man watching some of these videos their showing, Michael Jackson up to about Dangerous was a bad motherfucker.

      What do you guys think will be his SONG, the one that 100 years from now people will still remember. It's gotta be Thriller, that song is fucking bad ass, and the video is one of the greats if not THE great.

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        June 25, 2009 6:51 PM

        Billy Jean I'd say. That beat

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          June 25, 2009 6:52 PM

          That's up there too.

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          June 25, 2009 8:28 PM

          And Smooth Criminal was two of my favorites.

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        June 25, 2009 6:51 PM

        Beat It

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        June 25, 2009 7:04 PM

        Billie Jean by a mile. Thriller was awesome cause of the music video - but musically I never vibed it.

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          June 25, 2009 7:04 PM

          ^^ but Smooth Criminal and Jam have always been my favorite tracks from him.

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        June 25, 2009 7:11 PM

        Billie Jean. Thriller was an awesome video/song, but Billie Jean holds up better over time.

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        June 25, 2009 7:51 PM

        billie jean. then smooth criminal. I wore those tapes out as a kid.

        Thriller was a good video, but like skoal said. Never really got into the song much.

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        June 25, 2009 8:10 PM

        the bassline to billie jean is so fucking smooth, and when the synth kicks in, it just blows up

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        June 25, 2009 8:17 PM

        It'll be Billy Jean, and it will be because of his performance on the Motown 25th anniversary special. Something like 30% of the entire country tuned in to watch it, and it was where we first saw the moonwalk. Probably one of the most memorable musical performances in history.

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          June 25, 2009 8:35 PM

          I just watched that on Youtube and it's awesome, but I'm also 99% certain that he lip-synced the the whole thing.

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            June 25, 2009 8:38 PM

            yeah. hardly any performances back then seemed to be live. oh well.

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            June 25, 2009 8:44 PM

            Oh he definitely did, but I don't think that changes the impact of the performance.

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        June 26, 2009 12:56 AM

        Billy Jean and Starting something.

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      June 25, 2009 6:48 PM

      He really is gone too soon.

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      June 25, 2009 6:52 PM

      Jackotards are the biggest, and most illiterate idiots in the world and further erode my faith in humanity, how can we hope to drag ourselves out of the mire our civilization is in with so many intellectually challenged people around? You can read some of their amusing drivel on the TMZ site. I suppose there must be something wrong with a person prepared to listen to any of his musical output over the past 20 years - shrieking mediocre electro-pop with self-glorifying, pretentious lyrics complete with vomit-inducing videos depicting the hero saving the world/all the children or at least their bottoms.

      The comparisons that some of them have made between Jacko and Jesus are fantastically blasphemous and I'm an atheist. If he was such a paragon of virtue, then why was his home and garden PACKED with statues and pictures of little white boys in various states of undress? Go check the online catalog of the Neverland auction. The much exaggerated claims about his charitable activities are mostly concerned with his "Heal The World" (fucks sake) organization, which seems mainly to have been designed to funnel children to the theme park at his home, making them useful pawns in his promotional campaigns for his appalling music (and potential dates of course). Outlandish claims about his humanitarian efforts are hard to verify independently, suspiciously the same figures are quoted ad naseum by his worshippers.

      The next few weeks are going to be excruciating with the media's habit of turning dead celebs into gods.

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      June 25, 2009 6:52 PM

      its pretty sad. I always liked his music but never really his personality. would have loved to see a comeback tour

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      June 25, 2009 6:55 PM

      The first Michael Jackson song I heard was WAY back in 1972. It was "Rockin' Robin", with the Jackson 5 when they were in their prime. Over the years, I remained a fan, but my favorite album by him was Off the Wall. I liked Thriller well enough, but it wasn't my favorite. I think I wore my album of The Wall out. Quincy Jones was involved in that one and it had terrific songs, infectious beat, and one of the slickest productions I have ever heard, before or since.

      After the Bad CD came out, I kind of lost interest. Then there was the weirdness, like hanging out with Emmanuel Lewis or MacCauley Culkin. Mr. Bubbles his chimp. Sleeping in an oxygen chamber. Then all the accusations about his personal life. I just kind of got fed up with him. Yes, he was a gifted performer, but his personal life overshadowed everything and I just couldn't take him seriously as a musician anymore.

      I will say though, he did a concert in the early 90's that was broadcast on HBO that was probably the best performance I have ever seen. It was amazing.

      Sad to see him go. Making a guess here, but I imagine it was a combination of anorexia and prescription drugs that did him in. Anorexia is tough on the heart and the drugs would have been the kicker. The fact that his doctor was with him when he collapsed kind of makes me suspicious.

      Anyway, the King of Pop is dead. Long Live the King.

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      June 25, 2009 6:57 PM

      you guys remember when they used to premiere his new music videos on fox after the simpsons or paula abdul show or whatever. i remember black and white and that do you remember the time music videos.

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      June 25, 2009 6:58 PM

      MJ sacrificed himself to unite Iran

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      June 25, 2009 7:05 PM

      It sucks, he was a great entertainer but he was never able to really shake that pedo cloud that surrounded him.

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      June 25, 2009 7:06 PM

      So many reminders of how short life is this week.

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      June 25, 2009 7:07 PM

      Michael Jackson is going to rise again in three days, to kill the ayatollah and save Iran. Then he'll turn around and moonwalk into space.

      Peace MJ. You may have turned into a pretty depraved dude, but that was really our and your family's fault.

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      June 25, 2009 7:07 PM

      some really awesome memories from recreating Thriller. I'm sure lots of folks did Halloween stuff around that.

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        June 25, 2009 7:12 PM

        and I take back my internet humor about his final touring. that would have been awesome.

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      June 25, 2009 7:18 PM

      I am truly bummed out. DIdn't think it would bother me so much until I got home and turned on MTV. I think everyone around my age range grew up and at one point or another idolized Jackson in some way. I was in a class when we found out and some young girl (In her early 20's) basically said so what. I grew up listening to the Jackson 5. I don't think some people understand how this guy was probably at one point the most popular person the planet.

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        June 25, 2009 7:20 PM

        yeah. i grew up pretending to dance like him as a kid, i'm sure my parents have video of this somewhere. he was totally my favorite, and anyone who grew up in the 80s probably sees him as a music and entertainment icon.

        he had a fucked up childhood and an abusive dad, i feel bad that he ended up so crazy.

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        June 25, 2009 7:23 PM

        Yeah. Honestly, for a lot of people this is like the day Elvis died. I was 17 and didn't really care, but my mom cried quite a bit.

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      June 25, 2009 7:19 PM

      Love you Jackson Baby!

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      June 25, 2009 7:25 PM

      According to reports, he died from a heart attack when he saw himself in the mirror for the first time.

      In all seriousness, I enjoyed his musical work in the early days, but hated all the media crap later in his life. It got to the point that no matter where you turned, there was something going on about him, and it was getting to be rather tiresome.

      However, most of the blame for all his issues has to lie with his father. He really fucked his kids up. :(

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        June 25, 2009 7:46 PM

        I would guess it's because he lived his life in the media spotlight for almost his entire life. It has to be mentally damaging to not be able to so much as set foot outside without being mobbed by screaming fans.

        Then again, that traces back to his father as well, I guess.

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      June 25, 2009 7:30 PM

      Nobody can listen to ABC, just like 123 and not dance. Same with Billie Jean.

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      June 25, 2009 7:49 PM

      I wonder how The Onion is going to approach this, and how long they will wait.

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      June 25, 2009 7:49 PM

      My favorite song and video:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex30DYwQlHU

      Nobody did videos like he did.

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        June 25, 2009 7:53 PM

        i'll always remember the longform video that was part of the Moonwalker VHS.

        damn i'm dying to go out to local bars where things are happening, but no one is around to go out with me!

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          June 25, 2009 8:01 PM

          i guess this is the longform video!

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          June 25, 2009 8:13 PM

          There was so much shit that I missed out on tonight because of my flight. Like you, I'd definitely have liked to hit a bar and see if people are rocking out to MJ on the jukebox. Also, Dan Simmons was at the library right down the street from me!

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        June 25, 2009 8:44 PM

        This song makes me instantly think Sega Genesis

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      June 25, 2009 7:53 PM

      This was an underrated classic from when the Jackson 5 became The Jacksons. Great song.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW1fXL3s7bk

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      June 25, 2009 7:54 PM

      This thread is stupid He's dead. What is well-wishing on the internet gonna do?

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        June 25, 2009 7:56 PM

        Annoy some guy named biskits.

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        June 25, 2009 7:59 PM

        Make him rise from the dead and make a thrilling comeback tour in which he eats the brains of his fans and fuck little boys.

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      June 25, 2009 7:56 PM

      Meanwhile, publishing companies are rushing biographies and record companies are coming up with "Best of MJ" CDs.

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      June 25, 2009 8:03 PM

      See ya, Mike. I'll remember you as the guy who made that song "Heal The World" that i had to dance to every Mayday in elementary school. Also you were amazingly talented :)

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      June 25, 2009 8:04 PM

      i still don't think he ever touched those children

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        June 25, 2009 8:15 PM

        I didn't want to think that about Paula Poundstone, and she was cleared of all charges. She probably didn't have the money-hungry lawyers of parents out for her like he did though

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          June 25, 2009 8:27 PM

          from Wikipedia:

          "In 2001, Poundstone was arrested on a felony warrant for three counts of committing a lewd act on an unidentified girl under the age of 14. The Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office also stated that Poundstone was charged with endangering two other unidentified girls and two boys.[7] Few details were released, but the prosecutor indicated that the charges were a result of an incident in which Poundstone was driving her children while intoxicated. She accepted a plea agreement and pleaded "no contest" to felony child endangerment and a misdemeanor charge of inflicting injury on a child. In exchange, the three charges of lewd conduct were dropped by prosecutors.[8]

          Poundstone was sentenced to five years probation and 180 days in an alcohol rehabilitation program. Following completion of the program, she was granted full custody of her adopted children but permanently lost custody of two other children who were in Poundstone's home as part of the foster care system.[9][10]"

          Were there other charges that she was cleared of?

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            June 25, 2009 8:36 PM

            I don't know. I have her book (on tape, which she reads) wherein she flat out says she was guilty of child endangerment by driving drunk with them in the car (and refers to herself as a criminal), but of the child molestation charges all she says was that the charges were dropped.

            She also said that she had a court order against her getting in touch with her inner child.

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        June 25, 2009 8:33 PM

        why did he pay off the parents then? how were the kids able to describe the deformation on his penis?

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      June 25, 2009 8:08 PM

      I moonwalked all the way home today in remembrance... R.I.P. M.J. Damn...

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      June 25, 2009 8:10 PM

      I really dug the Free Willy sound track :( RIP.

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      June 25, 2009 8:18 PM

      man in the mirror is a personally uplifting song for me.

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      June 25, 2009 8:24 PM

      In a way, I'm kind of glad it happened now. I had this feeling that the whole London thing was not going to end well, given all the reports about his inability to hold up to the rigors of performing regularly anymore.

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      June 25, 2009 8:29 PM

      Weird question but - does anyone have the original version of "They Don't Care About Us" ?

      I had it on CD years ago (the version with the racist lyrics) and I've lost it. Every version I find out there is the censored version.

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      June 25, 2009 8:33 PM

      So wasn't he a health nut, vegetarian, oxygen tanks, all of that? WTF? Stress? Drugs?

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        June 25, 2009 8:35 PM

        my guess is drugs fosho but i guess we'll know tomorrow

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      June 25, 2009 8:35 PM

      I'll never look at the dancing zombie in Plants v/s Zombies the same way again. :(

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      June 25, 2009 8:48 PM

      I just watched his Super Bowl performance for the first time. Great stuff :(

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnvSebbIVAM

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        June 25, 2009 8:53 PM

        What year was that?

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        June 25, 2009 8:59 PM

        he puts Justin Timberlake to shame.

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        June 25, 2009 9:04 PM

        I find it interesting how he stands there for like two minutes and while the people picked/hired to be on the field with him are going nuts, the people in the stands just look bored

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          June 25, 2009 10:24 PM

          probably because the FOOTBALL YEAHHHHH demographic doesn't overlap much with the michael jackson fan demographic

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            June 25, 2009 10:27 PM

            That's the thing that always amused me about Super Bowl halftime performers. They rarely pick performers who football fans would actually give a shit about.

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              June 26, 2009 5:58 AM

              Well if you remember what happened was

              - Every year the halftime show is something that the football crowd would care about or at least find entertaining
              - One year MTV puts on a 20-minute concert during the halftime show, complete with a countdown timer to when the game comes back on
              - That year the ratings for the halftime show go to shit and MTV's go way up during the halftime show
              - Super Bowl organizers then decide to cater to the MTV demographic to keep people from tuning out. MJ's performance was either the first or second one they did
              - Now the Super Bowl halftime show features some musical act every year because fuck the crowd in the stadium, the TV viewers are more important

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      June 25, 2009 8:55 PM

      Off the Wall came out 30 years ago!!!?!? shit.

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      June 25, 2009 8:58 PM

      I've been listening to MJ for 3 hours and haven't heard a bad song yet. I'm actually sad he died. So many good memories to Mj.

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      June 25, 2009 9:01 PM

      God. I wonder how Macaulay Culkin is taking it. :( They were close.

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        June 25, 2009 9:05 PM

        Wonder how Elizabeth Taylor is taking it.

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          June 25, 2009 9:09 PM

          I wonder how Jordan Chandler is taking it.

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        June 26, 2009 12:50 AM

        can't be worse than taking it up the ass

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      June 25, 2009 9:07 PM

      Tomorrow, I'm going to wear one white glove over my right hand in remembrance of Michael Jackon.

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        June 25, 2009 9:07 PM

        I am going to wear one over my left hand because I'll be playing golf

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      June 25, 2009 9:08 PM

      Remember when he was married to Lisa Marie Presley and kissed her at the MTV awards or whatever? Or when he dangled that baby out the window? What a fucking weirdo LOL

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      June 25, 2009 9:14 PM

      An absolutely amazing artist. His influence was felt over every music genre for decades in terms of sound, production, presentation, music videos, concerts and promotions. He was a musical genius that brought some of the best of Motown to define what I really enjoy in 80s pop. He was never afraid to bring awareness through lyrics and I always respected that. I was really looking forward to his upcoming concerts in England.

      He was a strange man as well, but I just could never listen to him speak and hear any malice.

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        June 25, 2009 9:17 PM

        and also a child molestor....

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          June 25, 2009 9:18 PM

          And George Washington owned slaves. That doesn't change the importance of what he did in his professional life.

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            June 25, 2009 9:22 PM

            To be fair to GW, those slaves came with the house he bought.

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              June 25, 2009 9:49 PM

              To be fair to MJ, molesting children is just what you did at the time. Everyone molested children back then. If you didn't molest children, you just couldn't compete.

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          June 25, 2009 9:19 PM

          more like naive enough to get fooled into paying some sick parents millions of dollars so they leave him alone

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          June 25, 2009 9:19 PM

          Yeah, but if you are going to be molested, might as well be by the king of pop and not some creepy homeless guy.

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        June 25, 2009 10:38 PM

        best of motown? Insult to Marvin Gaye, Smoky Robinson, etc.

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          June 25, 2009 11:00 PM

          I think rosewood is saying that he brought those sounds into 80s pop music, not that MJ was motown.

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            June 26, 2009 12:02 AM

            slax0r is picking up what I was putting down

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      June 25, 2009 9:22 PM

      He was perfectly healthy. In good shape, he was about to do a massive tour. I think the autopsy is going to reveal homicide.

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        June 25, 2009 9:23 PM

        I don't know about perfectly healthy... I mean his nose was falling out and he changed color... that doesn't sound too healthy

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          June 26, 2009 6:03 AM

          He also passed a 4 hour health exam to be insured before his new tour was to start.
          :S

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        June 25, 2009 9:26 PM

        His estate should demand the money back from the NINE DOCTORS he had around him at all times.

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        June 25, 2009 9:38 PM

        You're nuts. He had years of addiction to painkillers and other prescription drugs, overuse of which can often lead to heart failure.

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          June 25, 2009 10:05 PM

          Oh rudds, do you know who you are replying to?

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      June 25, 2009 9:25 PM

      I still can't believe he's dead. RIP. :(

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      June 25, 2009 9:36 PM

      Thriller was the first album I ever walked into a record store and bought with my own money. I played that tape in my 80s-vintage Walkman until my ears bled. Now I'm playing the MP3s. Farewell Michael Jackson. You were a freak, but you had talent.

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      June 25, 2009 9:39 PM

      Anyone else love the Moonwalker arcade game? I played the hell outta that thing.

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      June 25, 2009 9:40 PM

      Like in other examples, I separate the "work" from the "personal" aspect, and at this time I choose to remember the "work". His influence is undeniable and he produced one of the greatest albums ever. I'm sorry for those too young to really ever see the impact he had in the industry at his peak. RIP.

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      June 25, 2009 9:42 PM

      When I was a kid, I remember being scared shitless after hearing that creepy laughter at the end of Thriller.

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      June 25, 2009 9:47 PM

      Man this shit is so out of the blue, I just found out and it's fucking crazy. I mean, he's been crazy for years now but it's still really weird and out of the blue. It's always weird when celebrities die, but Michael was up there as one of the most famous, ever.

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      June 25, 2009 9:51 PM

      Good riddance. Sure he was the worst product of pop consumption and hollywood faggotry, but that doesn't give anyone an excuse to fuck little kids. Would our lives be any worse without Michael Jackson's influence? No. It would probably be better.

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        June 25, 2009 10:04 PM

        ^^ this. iawtp
        The world is a, at least metaphorically, better place without him.

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        June 26, 2009 12:38 AM

        rawr things that are popular are really DUMB@!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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      June 25, 2009 10:00 PM

      At last our children are safe

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      June 25, 2009 10:00 PM

      waiting for the L4D Zombie Thriller Tribute

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      June 25, 2009 10:03 PM

      I never understood what anyone liked about him. Anyone who owes $400 million and is renting out a house for $100k/month is either brilliant or a retard.

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        June 25, 2009 10:11 PM

        Maybe we liked his music? Shocking concept, I know. I mean, the guy only had #1 songs in 4 different decades.

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          June 25, 2009 10:37 PM

          Yes I know some people liked his music. I never understood why because it is shit. Dude trying to force his voice into a falsetto and reclaim what he did at 8 years old is embarrassing. At 8 though the kid rocked.

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            June 25, 2009 11:21 PM

            He had to rock or else his dad would beat the shit out of him.

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            June 25, 2009 11:37 PM

            Haha are you fucking serious? There's a lot of shit you could legitimately talk about Michael Jackson but saying he wasn't talented and didn't make good music is batshit crazy.

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            June 26, 2009 12:37 AM

            yeah i mean he only had far and away the best selling album of all time which had 7 of its 9 tracks hit the top 10. people are fucking idiots

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            June 26, 2009 12:48 AM

            Different people like different things.

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              June 26, 2009 12:53 AM

              shut up, what is this differences of taste you speak of

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            June 26, 2009 1:10 AM

            He's loved around the world. You are not.

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        June 25, 2009 11:01 PM

        I think the only thing most people liked about him was his music. He was clearly pretty fucked up otherwise.

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      June 25, 2009 10:04 PM

      ...Well, it looks like his death is really highlighting the rampant idiocy of everyone with an internet connection. Here's hoping you all die in prolonged and painful battles with cancer in your genitals.

      And no, I'm not just talking about the ones bashing MJ.

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      June 25, 2009 10:10 PM

      I heard it was from food poisoning, 'cause when he died, he had 12 year old nuts in his mouth.

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        June 26, 2009 12:25 AM

        You know, as bad as I feel for contributing, along with millions of others, to his steady slope from mildly crazy to batshit, Norma Desmond type crazy, that still managed to make me laugh. I hope the jokes are just a good in Hell.

        Still, I have to give him credit for keeping it together as well as he did. Whether he molested little kids or not, having the entire planet going on about it would have been enough to send me running, screaming towards the nearest bridge. Seriously, the first night of Leno and that would have been it.

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          June 26, 2009 12:46 AM

          "You know, as bad as I feel for contributing, along with millions of others, to his steady slope from mildly crazy to batshit"

          He was responsible for his own destiny, no one else.

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            June 26, 2009 12:48 AM

            his dad abused him as a child which directly contributes to how you are as an adult

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              June 26, 2009 12:52 AM

              And Pepsi caught him on fire

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                June 26, 2009 5:27 AM

                You are right rosewood. It is time to lay blame where it belongs.

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              June 26, 2009 12:57 AM

              Great. My dad beat me too.

              Here's the problem. He had money and nobody had the balls to tell him, "No." Nobody close to him had the balls to tell him to get the fuck into therapy and deal with this shit. Your childhood does not excuse crazy.

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                June 26, 2009 3:21 AM

                You're right. He didn't have a single 'real' friend. That's why he was still practicing eight plus hours a day for his performances while he was more than fifty years old.

                Nobody really compares.

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      June 25, 2009 10:13 PM

      He's diddling cherubs in heaven.

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      June 25, 2009 10:55 PM

      We should remember Michael by watching these legendary flash videos.
      http://www.hcn.zaq.ne.jp/cabic508/rsf/mff.html

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      June 25, 2009 11:19 PM

      Thriller will be listened to in the 2050's. More than most of us can say.

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      June 25, 2009 11:23 PM

      Musicians/Artists are a different walk of life... regardless of what he might have done in his personal life...his music, his style and all that is definitely legendary.

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      June 25, 2009 11:24 PM

      Wow, I just got up and found out about his death in this thread. I'm shocked.

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        June 26, 2009 4:07 AM

        Haha I found out via WOW.

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          June 26, 2009 4:44 AM

          I don't know why but somehow the combination of Michael Jackson and WoW reminded me of this guild on our server called "Oprah Windfury" :/

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            June 26, 2009 4:50 AM

            We still has to clear one dungeon, fgt!

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      June 25, 2009 11:40 PM

      Somewhere in an empty graveyard this very night zombie Michael Jackson is bustin' a move and raising the dead.

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      June 26, 2009 12:25 AM

      Michael Jackson, Elvis and Tupac are all sipping cognac on a boat somewhere.

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      June 26, 2009 12:46 AM

      People who recently purchased stuff from his auction a few months ago just banked it.

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        June 26, 2009 12:56 AM

        wasn't the auction called off in the end?

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      June 26, 2009 12:52 AM

      Goddammit. :(

      I playbacked his Thriller and BAD albums countless times at school.

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      June 26, 2009 1:05 AM

      people who aren't old enough probably don't remember just how big MJ was back in the 80's and 90's. There was never (and hasn't been since) any music artist more popular than he was back then. They used to play his music videos on normal TV stations before shows. It's a shame things ended up the way they did for him.

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        June 26, 2009 1:09 AM

        For real. He wasn't just a pop star, he was a cultural icon.

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        June 26, 2009 3:12 AM

        seriously

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          June 26, 2009 3:26 AM

          For those who weren't around earlier to see him at or near the height of his fame, is to think of it this way-

          Whatever we know about MJ being hated or ridiculed in the last 10-15 years- take all that negative attention, reverse and multiply it by 1000%- that is how much the world loved Michael Jackson at one point in time. Watching him perform was akin to a family event at times. He brought people together. And I am not a huge Michael Jackson fan day to day, but I need not qualify these remarks. Simply just understand that as big of a joke as MJ became, before that, he was basically the hottest shit on the planet for an extended period of time and adored by millions. People react to that, you feel like you lost someone who you watched grow old and had a sad life, became a sad person and an easy joke. It's understandable that people get emotional and reminisce. And on some level it reminds us all about our inevitable mortality and how nothing stays the same.

          Man, the news has been especially shitty lately.

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      June 26, 2009 1:09 AM

      Pure pop bliss: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4auq5tlUX4

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      June 26, 2009 1:56 AM

      Michael Jackson died many many years ago. And MJ was nothing without Quincy Jones as a producer. Everything after "Bad" was horrible. Except that; RIP!

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      June 26, 2009 2:50 AM

      Post your fave MJ song, I'll go 1st -
      Give Into Me
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqDOsKKhb88&fmt=18

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      June 26, 2009 3:33 AM

      should it really take the death of a major celebrity for MTV to start showing full music videos again?

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        June 26, 2009 4:59 AM

        People always say this about MTV but I must ask - if MTV went back to being a 24x7 video channel (as opposed to what it is now, a 24x7 reality show channel), would you even watch it? Would anyone?

        Today we have Youtube which gives us any video in the world any time we want. Today people wouldn't watch MTV if it showed music videos. MTV as a music video channel had a window of relevance and now that's gone.

        I liked MTV back in the day and it would be cool if it had never changed its mission, but it did and it makes sense that it did. I say let it go.

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          June 26, 2009 5:17 AM

          Youtube takes down music videos. And yes I would watch it more than I do now especially if they had different shows that showed the music videos from all eras in their entirety.

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            June 26, 2009 6:20 AM

            I would watch it all day. Just like I watched VH1 Classic all day until MTV bought that as well so now they only show vidoes 2 hours a day like all the rest of the shitty MTV channels.

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              June 26, 2009 6:24 AM

              I like how when MTV 2 came out it was just going to be videos videos videos and now look at it.

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                June 26, 2009 6:30 AM

                Yeah, they had those obnoxious commercials too that said 'the videos are on MTV2, shuttup already'.

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      June 26, 2009 4:53 AM

      I was at an 8th birthday party of my friend. he was the youngest of 5 boys, they put Thriller music video on. I had nightmares for WEEKS. i still find werewolved the most frightening of all supernatural creatures :(

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      June 26, 2009 4:55 AM

      I have a confession. Thriller was the first record I ever bought with my own money.

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        June 26, 2009 4:58 AM

        That's not a bad thing. Mine was an album of Wham! :(

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        June 26, 2009 5:01 AM

        I remember being a kid and my mom was clothes shopping in the mall at like JC Penney's or Dillards or something and they had a giant enlarged photo on the wall of the Thriller record. Like, not the cover art but you know that circular label in the middle of a vinyl record? A closeup of that. Thriller was THAT influential that the mere record was considered art when it was out.

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      June 26, 2009 5:53 AM

      When my brother and I were younger, we had Thriller on vinyl that we had to share between the two of us. One night we started to fight over the album and my mother stepped in, took the record and snapped it over her knee and handed us each a half and sent us to our rooms. :(

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      June 26, 2009 6:08 AM

      going back through and watching a lot of his videos on youtube. Its sad that I sort of wrote him off the past few years with all of the crazyness and controversy. His music is awesome and his influence will never be matched.

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      June 26, 2009 7:04 AM

      I remember seeing his movie at Epcot Center with my family (I was 12 years old), my grandma liked him a lot, maybe he's moonwalking for her up there now, RIP MJ

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      June 26, 2009 7:06 AM

      buahhah mother fuckin captain EO!

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      June 26, 2009 7:22 AM

      Did ya know he had a blood transfusion to be white? Yeah i heard this from someone.

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      June 26, 2009 7:25 AM

      Just imagine if the Internet was around when Elvis died.

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      June 26, 2009 7:32 AM

      what a long, strange trip it's been. :(