Tesla's largest competitor in China BYD says FSD tech is basically impossible

EV automaker BYD believes the focus on self-driving cars may be a flawed idea and that the focus should be on autonomous manufacturing instead.


As it turns out, auto manufacturers may have things all wrong when it comes to the idea of autonomous driving. At least that's what Chinese and electric car company BYD believes. On Tuesday, BYD addressed the subject of self-driving cars and FSD tech, believing the concepts to ultimately be flawed and noting that focus should instead be on manufacturing.

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"When we think about [self-driving tech] from all aspects, from human psychological safety needs, from ethics, from regulation, from technology — including application in this industry — we haven’t figured out [the logic] and we think it is probably a false proposition," BYD spokesperson Li Yunfei said during the Shanghai auto show (via CNBC).

BYD is recognized as China's largest seller of electric vehicles and the company's perspective on autonomous driving comes from a variety of statistics. Li added that two million people are killed in traffic accidents every year and that self-driving vehicles would make it more difficult to determine responsibility. While some BYD models offer assisted driving tech, the company does not appear to be aiming for full automation and now appears to find it an impossible goal.

Instead, BYD would rather focus on autonomous tech going into manufacturing plants. Li added that an increased usage of autonomous technology could save the company a substantial amount on monthly wages and benefits. However, there's no timetable on how long it would take to perfect autonomous machines or workers in a factory setting.

Have automakers approached the question of self-driving technology the wrong way? This may be worth asking, even as companies like Tesla launch Full Self-Driving initiatives. We'll continue to follow this story as it develops.

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    April 25, 2023 12:35 PM

    Ozzie Mejia posted a new article, Tesla's largest competitor in China BYD says FSD tech is basically impossible

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      April 25, 2023 12:47 PM

      Makes sense. Focus on manufacturing and then steal the software once it's available in the West.

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      April 25, 2023 12:48 PM

      It's utter nonsense to think you're going to be able to do it with just computer vision. Lasers and crazy GPS you might stand a chance, but just vision? Nope.

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        April 25, 2023 12:54 PM

        Humans can do it with just vision, so that’s the emulation. I think we’re a LONG way from it, but the way AI is advancing rapidly, it’s gonna happen. Lasers are good but they can’t tell the difference between a sheet of newspaper and a brick wall.

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          April 25, 2023 1:00 PM

          When I have dirt on my eyes, I wipe my face. Ever use your backup cam in the rain? Good luck.

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          April 25, 2023 1:03 PM

          Binocular vision is imperfect. Human depth perception and object detection is fallible, and accidents happen as a result.

          There is no world - full stop - where we should rely on cameras alone for technology that is responsible for keeping us safe in a box traveling 60+ mph.

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            April 25, 2023 1:04 PM

            Like - it is literally a quirk of a large car company being run by an arrogant moron that we're even entertaining the possibility it could be a good idea.

            It's not. At all.

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          April 25, 2023 1:05 PM

          We're going to need all vehicles talking with each other, radar, lasers, proximity sensors, etc. Most makers are simply going it on their own, which is nonsense.

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          April 25, 2023 1:07 PM

          > they can’t tell the difference between a sheet of newspaper and a brick wall.

          On the contrary. A camera is far more liable to be tricked into thinking a surface is not dense when it is.

          Lasers actually *can* be used to detect differences in thickness / density, and provide necessary redundancy to keep human lives safe.

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          April 25, 2023 2:18 PM


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          April 25, 2023 2:20 PM

          It seems like humans use more than just vision? Hearing is a big one. Plus all the processing going on in the mind.

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          April 25, 2023 2:47 PM

          Cronenberg movie idea: single-use human brains/ears/nervous systems developed to power computer vision applications.

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            April 25, 2023 2:52 PM

            There is a pretty effective horror story about the first person who's consciousness is simulated and the horrors that are done to that, including using it for things like that.

            It starts of positive but gets disturbing very quickly.

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              April 25, 2023 3:20 PM

              The short story is called Lena and is available free from the author here: https://qntm.org/mmacevedo

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                April 25, 2023 3:24 PM

                That would be the one, yes. Thanks, I couldn't think of the name or author and search was being annoying.

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                  April 25, 2023 3:29 PM

                  I think about that story a lot.

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              April 25, 2023 5:59 PM

              Also explored quite a bit in Altered Carbon

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              April 25, 2023 8:40 PM

              I will read the one posted below later, but there’s a black mirror episode to this effect.

        • gmd legacy 10 years legacy 20 years mercury mega
          April 25, 2023 6:02 PM

          humans also pee and poop their pants

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        April 25, 2023 2:32 PM

        even if it was possible using just vision why would you handicap yourself? You can give the computer so much more advanced senses than just traditional vision and make it even more capable (especially in conditions where vision breaks down like darkness and weather).

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          April 25, 2023 2:45 PM

          precisely this

          you want an abundance of redundancy to ensure the safest possible experience

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          April 25, 2023 3:00 PM

          Yes. I think eventually the infrastructure should be upgraded too. Like road signs and lights that communicate with the cars via QR codes or whatever. Electromagnetic paint for the lines that the car can read without cameras.

      • rms legacy 10 years legacy 20 years mercury super mega
        April 25, 2023 3:10 PM

        How about just slowing down

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        April 25, 2023 5:38 PM

        But it does it now? It's not perfect but it's not some far fetched thing. It's just like a slightly dumb driver.

        And I know people will be like "oh but blah blah it ran into a parked car or braked randomly" but people do dumb shit also and that stuff is really rare.

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          April 25, 2023 5:55 PM

          It's definitely worse than a slightly dumb driver given arbitrary conditions in an arbitrary location.

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            April 25, 2023 8:35 PM

            Eh I've been more just annoyed by it being super cautious and stuff. It's never done anything I'd consider dangerous. Just not how I'd drive.

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        April 25, 2023 6:22 PM

        Let’s be honest, human driving cars doesn’t work super well from time to time. We’re just not willing to allow computer error over human error.

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          April 25, 2023 8:02 PM

          I think the scariest part is that you think your car is handling things then suddenly HOLY SHIT THE CAR FUCKED UP AND YOURE GOING 75MPH.

          I’ve read the stories about it missing obvious obstacles and wrecking that would be solved with a system involving more than vision. It’s kind of shitty that the government would allow a car with just vision as the FSD solution.

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            April 25, 2023 8:12 PM

            To be fair static objects is one area most basic radar systems won't help with. They track motion vectors, not static ground or objects.

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        April 25, 2023 7:01 PM

        100% agree in this case. I think the only way for Self driving to actually happen, is for all the auto manufactures and the highway governmental(state/federal) agencies to team up and
        1. Add hardware in cars that talk to other cars. So a highway WAN and each car can communicate with each other and share information.
        2. Add sensors/markers to the roadways that adds to this communication to supplement the in-car sensors.
        3. Highly encrypt the shit out of it

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      April 25, 2023 9:10 PM

      Lol at impossible


      It’s about car communication to other cars. This isn’t hard.

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