PewDiePie, Stop

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PewDiePie is under fire again this week due to a live stream in which he shouted the word "nigger." The reaction from Firewatch developer Campo Santo to file a DMCA takedown notice on PewDiePie's Firewatch YouTube video has created even more consternation. Fans have rushed to defend this insanely popular YouTuber, but I honestly have one thing to say to anyone who thinks it is ok to say that word. Stop.

PewDiePie, Stop

It is time to stop acting like you are doing this accidentally. We all get mad at video games. I curse like a sailor, but never does that word come out of my mouth. It is not about the freedom of speech, either. This is about simple human decency. 

PewDiePie casually said, “what a fucking nigger” on a live stream. The games press and social media have exploded about the topic and not a word from him. Instead, he posted a video today about other streamers’ “Stream fails” and has maintained radio silence across all his social media channels.

It is time for PewDiePie to actually step up and say what he did was wrong. It isn't even remotely sufficient to say that he regrets saying it on a live stream. That half apology simply implies that he thinks it is totally fine to casually throw that hateful word around in private company. It isn’t, and if you think it is you are part of the problem.

But Black People Say It

Black people took that word back from racists and made it their own. That does not make it ok for anyone to say that word in a derogatory manner. I don’t care how many rap albums you have purchased, that does not give anyone a pass to say that hateful word. Closet racism is still racism. Just because you aren't a bigot in public does not make you a good human being. 

It isn’t just PewDiePie

I hear that horrible word when I play online multiplayer in a variety of games. COD, Halo, PUBG, and even Rocket League are all games that I have heard players shout that word and yell it at me. There have been times I have been invited into a Discord or Teamspeak and been met with the same horrific language. Racism is a societal problem and it is being amplified in the games community. 

It isn’t just the N-word

Mysogyny, homophobia, racism, and all other forms of hate are truly amplified by the anonymity that online gaming provides. Some people revel in the ability to be genuinely awful people who pride themselves on saying as many offensive things as they possibly can in a given session. This goes beyond trolling and it is starting to divide the gaming community.

Choose a side

Two stories have popped up in the past week that sum up the video game world pretty well right now. Last week, Dean Takahashi drew tons of criticism over some Cuphead gameplay footage. People were asking him to kill himself, over gameplay footage. Now this week we have some people rushing to defend PewDiePie's rights despite his track record. It is more apparent to me than ever that GamerGate never ended and just like American society we are devolving into a two-sided argument. On one side lies bigotry, hate, misogyny, and a lot of terrible things I don't have time to name. On the other side lies respect, love, and simple human decency.

CEO

Asif Khan is the CEO and majority shareholder of Shacknews. He began his career in video game journalism as a freelancer in 2001 for Tendobox.com. Asif is a CPA and was formerly an investment adviser representative. After much success in his own personal investments, he retired from his day job in financial services and is currently focused on new private investments. His favorite PC game of all time is Duke Nukem 3D, and he is an unapologetic fan of most things Nintendo. Asif first frequented the Shack when it was sCary's Shugashack to find all things Quake. When he is not immersed in investments or gaming he is a purveyor of fine electronic music. Asif also has an irrational love of Cleveland sports.

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    September 11, 2017 4:20 PM

    Asif Khan posted a new article, PewDiePie, Stop

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      September 11, 2017 4:35 PM

      This is a pretty great article. Thank you. It's really fucking sad that it needed to be written :-/

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      September 11, 2017 4:37 PM

      Good shit. Taking a stand is tough but somehow what you wrote is controversial for some people

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        September 11, 2017 4:40 PM

        Yea. I don't understand how it could be even a question.

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          September 11, 2017 5:09 PM

          You should see the kids on twitter defending it. It's disgusting.

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            September 11, 2017 5:19 PM

            You have some in the chatty in the above threads doing the same thing. :/

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            September 11, 2017 5:20 PM

            Kids are stupid little fuckers. Buncha pre-pubescent little edge-lords.

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            September 11, 2017 5:30 PM

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            September 11, 2017 5:32 PM

            Ugh man, so horrible

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            September 11, 2017 5:49 PM

            Yeah, I see bits of it bubble up; it's good to be aware of it, lest you allow yourself to live in a lie, but I personally really don't have any desire to go swimming in those fetid waters.

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          September 11, 2017 5:18 PM

          I guess basic human decency is a lot to ask of a person.

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            September 11, 2017 5:21 PM

            I'm there aren't enough sad face emojis for this post

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            September 11, 2017 5:24 PM

            Sadly, heart breakingly, time and time again, we prove that human decency is neither "simple" nor "basic," but rather a luxury expressed far too infrequently.

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      September 11, 2017 4:38 PM

      Nicely written and I agree with every word.

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        September 11, 2017 5:50 PM

        Thanks!

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          September 11, 2017 8:08 PM

          No, thank you! It's well put, brief and to the point. :D

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            September 12, 2017 12:21 AM

            I was expecting you to say it was brief and to the case

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        September 11, 2017 6:15 PM

        +1 for sure

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        September 12, 2017 6:52 AM

        Yeah, its one of the few articles on the subject that didn’t make me roll my eyes halfway through and stop reading. Well said.

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      September 11, 2017 4:40 PM

      Good article

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      September 11, 2017 4:42 PM

      I can get on board this truth train.

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      September 11, 2017 4:43 PM

      He’s a total dipshit. I didn’t even know that he live streamed, and I certainly hope that he loses more sponsors over it.

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      September 11, 2017 4:44 PM

      Wish he would rise to the opportunity of his audience and be an actual positive example for them. Dude has a ton of influence and is clearly a smart person, but acts like such a shithead so often. Gaming culture would be so much better if he just took some responsibility for his actions instead of doubling down or equivocating.

      Great article.

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      September 11, 2017 4:46 PM

      Excellent, thanks for writing this

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      September 11, 2017 4:47 PM

      Thanks Asif. That was a really great piece that kept it simple without missing a beat.

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      September 11, 2017 4:47 PM

      This sums up my feelings pretty well.

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      September 11, 2017 4:50 PM

      Well said.

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      September 11, 2017 4:51 PM

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        September 11, 2017 4:57 PM

        Right. It seems to me the only reason Campo Santo tried to use the DMCA violation thing was because the streaming services couldn't be bothered to do it for moral/ethical reasons. I'm certain the services could make that work if they cared to.

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          September 11, 2017 5:06 PM

          Don't they have ways to report other violations aside from DMCA?

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            September 11, 2017 5:11 PM

            I'm sure they do, and my assumption (clearly I don't know for sure) is that they did but nothing happened.

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        September 11, 2017 6:27 PM

        Cause they would ban half their streamers and have no revenue.

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      September 11, 2017 4:54 PM

      Great article. I really need to educate myself more on gamer gate. Love needs to dominate lives.

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      September 11, 2017 4:56 PM

      You're good people Asif.

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      September 11, 2017 5:02 PM

      "Some people revel in the ability to be genuinely awful people who pride themselves on saying as many offensive things as they possibly can in a given session."
      This is the one that gets me. They just open up unprompted in minute one, and spew.

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      September 11, 2017 5:03 PM

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      September 11, 2017 5:03 PM

      Mysogyny, homophobia, racism, and all other forms of hate are truly amplified by the anonymity that online gaming provides.

      Amen. Can we once, and for all, around here have the term "faggot" be a bannable offense around here? If it wasn't already?

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        September 11, 2017 5:22 PM

        what the hell problem do have with bundles of sticks?

        (kidding, I agree)

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        September 11, 2017 5:26 PM

        people hate giving up swear words, it's a very weird thing to be offended about

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          September 12, 2017 6:55 AM

          Just using "swear words" is a bit different than using hurtful slang to describe another human being IMO.

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        September 11, 2017 5:39 PM

        I haven't used it in ages and I haven't seen it on this site in awhile. I don't think any language needs to be banned officially. Shackers will pile on anyone using this language, anyways.

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        September 11, 2017 5:41 PM

        I haven't seen it used here much at all lately. I remember huge fights about it in the past, but I think the community is behaving pretty well now.

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        September 11, 2017 6:00 PM

        Ban this guy, he said the f word

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        September 11, 2017 7:33 PM

        Is fgt still acceptable as a joke?

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        September 11, 2017 9:33 PM

        Ive been bringing faggot back in my circles... its kinda fun to use with the bros. Gays and straight

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        September 11, 2017 10:36 PM

        Same with "sperg".

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        September 12, 2017 1:06 AM

        I think it's situational. Used in an insulting and demeaning way, sure. Nuke the fucker. Arguments that degenerate into idiotic name calling should be curb stomped and punished.

        On the other hand, I don't see the phrase "attn Nintendo fgts" as having a remotely similar connotation. I think we've really stolen the word and made it our own thing in the community over the years. It has a different meaning, a different usage, and it's a surprisingly positive and inclusive meme.

        I'm not married to the term though, so if it goes then it's not like I'm going to feel like a fgt cuck snowflake. Inevitably it would just be replaced with a similar co-opted word in the same fashion.

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          September 12, 2017 6:51 AM

          I'd love to know how it's a positive and inclusive term. I disagree but I also have no idea when it's ever been used in a positive and not derogatory or derisive way.

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            September 12, 2017 7:36 AM

            Sexist comment incoming. I dont think women understand the emotional bond men build through projecting their insecurities upon each other. Whether those insecurities are real or fake, men bond over teasing each other. Thats why when you say a woman is "one of the guys", its because she understands that culture. She gives it as well as she takes it, and the men accept her for it.

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              September 12, 2017 9:13 AM

              Definitely, and in more testosterone-fueled environments it only gets more prominent. There's a reason why it's called "locker room talk", although that umbrella covers some very negative behavior as well (as our esteemed President demonstrated when he hand waved away condoning sexual assault).

              Obligatory "I'm not gay, but I'll fuck you in a game of gay chicken just to win"

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              September 12, 2017 9:30 AM

              I'm one of the guys. I get the culture. I question its value and health.

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                September 12, 2017 9:37 AM

                For example: would you take me seriously if I defended catty woman culture like this and actually listen if I told you to stop making fun of it or wanting it to stop?

                First woman thing I could think of - but honestly, it's all the same. I don't believe that sentiment is universal amongst either gender and I don't think it's good for anyone to hide behind excuses.

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                  September 12, 2017 10:20 AM

                  I wouldn't care either way, honestly. Catty woman culture is inconsequential to me.

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        September 12, 2017 3:39 AM

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          September 12, 2017 4:19 AM

          agreed dont call american a faggot because they think they're being called gay.

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          September 12, 2017 6:58 AM

          It all goes back to some puritanical horseshit that ironically, the founders left Britain to get away from.

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            September 12, 2017 7:33 AM

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            September 12, 2017 8:06 AM

            to get away from because they wanted MORE of.

            IIRC, they were pissed Europe wasn't repressed enough.

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              September 12, 2017 8:21 AM

              Huh. Thought it was the other way around. I should have paid closer attention in school I guess.

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                September 12, 2017 8:30 AM

                School paints a rosy picture about wanting religious freedom for all.

                ... but actions speak louder than words.

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                  September 12, 2017 8:35 AM

                  ... by the first sentence, I really mean perspective matters.

                  Like how in the UK the American Revolutionary War was some annoying rebels that weren't worth their time.

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                September 12, 2017 8:32 AM

                Yeah. The puritans that left were already throwbacks in Britain. In fact even Shakespeare included one largely for comic relief in 12th night.

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                  September 12, 2017 8:33 AM

                  That said, it is more complicated than that; I can sympathize with not wanting to recognize the head of state as a spiritual figure. As with anything people are involved in the details get messy and treating them like a homogenous group who all thought the same is also wrong.

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                September 12, 2017 8:35 AM

                Yah, in the US we get a pretty limited exposure to the reality of our country's history. Check out this book for a different perspective. It's a bit fry but it's fair and kind of important: https://www.amazon.com/Different-Mirror-History-Multicultural-America/dp/0316022365/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1505230517&sr=8-1&keywords=a+different+mirror

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        September 12, 2017 5:49 AM

        I would have figured it already was

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      September 11, 2017 5:04 PM

      Well said, good sir. It's sad to see people justifying this kind of behavior in this day & age.

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      September 11, 2017 5:10 PM

      Great article! Thanks for writing that. I'm listening to Waypoints podcast on this topic right now and you echo a lot of their points. There are no excuses for this anymore.

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      September 11, 2017 5:24 PM

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        September 11, 2017 5:49 PM

        Nope. I think the legal question is very different. I understand anyone who questions the legal ramifications of using the DMCA in that manner. I don't understand anyone who defends the use of that racial slur.

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      September 11, 2017 5:39 PM

      Thanks, Asif.

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      September 11, 2017 5:51 PM

      Online gaming could be so great without the terribleness endorsed by guys like pewdiepie. Some of the best experiences are when its just people all talking, laughing working together. A great randoms L4D2 defense sticks out in my head. No trolls, no awful language or attacks. it was great.

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        September 11, 2017 5:53 PM

        Yeah gaming to me is having good times with friends and family. Maybe it was present back in the old days but I don't recall the cynicism levels being as high as they are now. I just want to play some games and relax!

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          September 11, 2017 6:21 PM

          I would pay extra, in every game I play, to be able to play only with people who are nice. I don't even care that much if we win or lose. Just some sort "nice people" setting.

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            September 11, 2017 6:28 PM

            yeah just with super strict one strike rules. That'd be awesome. You mess up you are OUT.

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        September 11, 2017 6:34 PM

        Yeah it's great when playing with a friendly bunch of randos in DOTA. Usually leads to a win, but even if it doesn't it takes the sting off a defeat.

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        September 11, 2017 6:45 PM

        Yeah I really enjoy when I get in a game with people who are excited, understanding that people make mistakes, encouraging, etc. Those are the times when I do my best and have the most fun. The people who shit on mistakes or whatever just fuck it up and make the game suck and everyone does worse because of it.

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        September 11, 2017 6:47 PM

        I don't know exactly when but it seems to have turned into tryhards cursing at each other and slinging racist slurs.

        Either you are just instantly assaulted with horrific language or you're screamed at for sucking, it's not a fun experience. Outside of good friends, family, and some Shackers, I just don't participate much anymore.

        Was it always this toxic? I mean I remember some shitty chat during DOOM and Quake but it feels like the overall direction is part stoner / part shitlord / part legit racist / with a dash of try hard in there.

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          September 11, 2017 6:50 PM

          It certainly always had some but I think it got worse once online multiplayer got to consoles and you had all the "bros" with Halo, etc. Join the game pool.

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            September 11, 2017 7:00 PM

            XBL also brought about public voice chat in games. Before that it was a much more limited thing, if used at all.

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          September 11, 2017 6:58 PM

          Been like that ever since public voice chat.

          Back when you actually had to type to flame, it just left you open to get trolled / headshot.

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          September 11, 2017 7:00 PM

          didnt feel that way, even in ealrier overwatch days. I still once in a blue moon get in there with a solid group of people who just want to play and have fun but....man. its worst than it used to be.

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            September 11, 2017 8:15 PM

            It just takes one to completely deflate a good cooperative team. I've seen it happen so much in OW and League. Like, as soon as That Guy shows up, I'm basically shutting down my mic and leaving after the loss. It really sucks rolling the dice on that every time I launch. Pretty much why I've been on a single player only kick for about a year now.

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          September 12, 2017 5:13 AM

          The growth of ranking systems integrated into games has made it way worse imo

          They're a cool idea but in reality they just feed into and encourage awful toxicity.

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          September 12, 2017 7:00 AM

          I think it started to become more common around the time Counter Strike was getting popular.

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          September 12, 2017 3:36 PM

          No dedicated servers is a factor. In the old days I had servers I regularly played on with the same group of folks.

          It was an important factor in building community.

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      September 11, 2017 6:01 PM

      I've given up on online play for the most part. It's just toxic. In the early days, when individuals set up their own game servers for others to play on (like QuakeWorld), the owner would boot and ban people for this kind of behavior. Now, it's a process to get someone booted from game servers.

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        September 11, 2017 6:06 PM

        I do miss the days of CS with active admins and communities on servers. Nowadays Splatoon seems the best community but probably only because you can't communicate explicitly with anyone. I do think the silly miiverse posts and graffitti are all generally good natured though which is really nice to see.

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          September 11, 2017 7:14 PM

          I'm actually kind of excited to see what it's like in Splatoon 2, it's been ages since I've enjoyed public multiplayer, but for once I have a faint hope that it might not be awful.

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            September 11, 2017 11:23 PM

            It's really good. We need to start a shackgroup!

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        September 12, 2017 7:01 AM

        I still play games like Overwatch with friends. I do play with pubs from time to time, but I just mute everyone.

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        September 12, 2017 7:25 AM

        Overwatch voice chat is really great most of the time for me. In the rare event where there is a shithead I just mute them or leave voicechat if a bunch of people start arguing.

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      September 11, 2017 6:08 PM

      Great article. Thank you.

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      September 11, 2017 6:15 PM

      Asif, that's some good stuff bud. More people need to say this.

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      September 11, 2017 6:24 PM

      https://youtu.be/L8rMIQQnXIA

      When max dropped an N bomb on stream he handled it the right way. I wasn't even mad. And he used it With a hard R too. It messed with my head for a little bit, but I know he's not racist and it did seem to be just an extremely unfortunate crosswiring of words in his head -- but that shit Felix did was almost like he says it or thinks it regularly which leads me to think he's comfortable with the word as something that refers to somebody. I'm admittedly less sympathetic toward him because he's a millionaire for uploading mediocre content to YouTube.

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      September 11, 2017 6:24 PM

      People are stupid little shits on the internet. If he said this in a crowd he would get an ass beating.

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      September 11, 2017 6:26 PM

      I just watched the clip. How hasn't he addressed it yet? He obviously knows he did something pretty bad on-stream there. As soon as he said it he catches himself and switches to calling the guy an asshole.

      It sucks that his audience of impressionable young guys will run with something like this. I didn't think League of Legends chat could get worse, but this doesn't help.

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        September 11, 2017 6:33 PM

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          September 11, 2017 6:47 PM

          Yeah, I thought he would have learned something from what happened last year.

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          September 11, 2017 6:51 PM

          Yeah, not addressing it pretty much seals the "I'm an asshole" deal

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          September 11, 2017 7:18 PM

          Good lord, Phil fucking Anselmo apologized for being a racist shithead quicker than this. Lord only knows if he means it but still, there's a timeframe to this sort of thing.

          Hell Kathy Griffin apologized for that Trump bloody head thing and still lost pretty much all of her contracts and concerts. PDP is a (rich) YouTube jerkoff, this is going to destroy him probably.

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            September 11, 2017 7:29 PM

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              September 11, 2017 7:46 PM

              Oh man it was epic how Paula Deen’s empire disassembled itself in like a week. Every four hours some major retailer or thing she had her name on said “lol nope”

              I think the main thing is it’s hard to tell when someone apologizes because they really mean it and when they apologize because they’re in damage control mode.

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            September 11, 2017 8:35 PM

            Please, this won't destroy PDP.... nothing will happen to him at all. :/

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              September 11, 2017 8:48 PM

              The "KILL ALL THE JEWS" joke and its fallout got him dropped from a Disney-owned studio and Google dropped him from a preferred advertising program and canceled his YouTube Red series.

              This incident got videos removed from a developer and I don't think this will be the last of it. If he doesn't untuck this fast then allowing him to continue hosting a video with your game on it will be seen as condoning him which will be toxic.

              I mean this is a guy who once made $3M a year off of making videos of him playing shit on the Internet. For him to get dropped by major corporations and Campo Santo proving you can get a video of your stuff removed from his channel via DMCA (one article noted that the PDP Firewatch video has the "missing" symbols consistent with being removed involuntarily as opposed to voluntarily) and shit could get real fast. If Google and Apple remove his game from the app stores that could be big too.

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                September 11, 2017 8:59 PM

                If all that crap didn't wake him up and make him watch everything he says what makes you think he really gives a shit anymore?

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                  September 11, 2017 10:17 PM

                  It's a shame because I bet he has several million tucked away safely so he could give a fuck.

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        September 12, 2017 3:02 AM

        He's the video games Trump.

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      September 11, 2017 6:43 PM

      Perfect. It really is that simple.

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      September 11, 2017 6:49 PM

      Fuck PewDiePie

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        September 11, 2017 7:00 PM

        That guy really does suck arse.

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        September 12, 2017 12:00 AM

        I have never seen the appeal of this guy. He isn't funny, insightful or witty. He's just annoying.

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        September 12, 2017 1:08 AM

        I actually defended him when people were calling him a nazi, but fuck this bullshit. Guy's a fucking dick.

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      September 11, 2017 7:43 PM

      Yeah yeah, briefcase!

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      September 11, 2017 7:47 PM

      You're good people Asif.

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      September 11, 2017 7:51 PM

      Thank you very much, Asif.

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      September 11, 2017 7:56 PM

      I'd like to take a moment to tell brickmatt (and others) I was wrong for belittling the fight against using 'faggot' in chatty a few years ago.

      I don't think I ever acknowledged that specifically before.

      I will still make maddog mom jokes though

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        September 11, 2017 7:59 PM

        Hey man, good on you for making this post.

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        September 11, 2017 7:59 PM

        Better keep making them while you still can!

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        September 11, 2017 8:00 PM

        Awww yeah

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        September 11, 2017 8:01 PM

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          September 11, 2017 8:10 PM

          It took me a while. I was such a turd I replaced 'brickmatt' for 'faggot' because I thought it was funny.

          What a shit head I was.

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            September 11, 2017 8:14 PM

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              September 11, 2017 11:26 PM

              i don't accept your premise. i will continue to perhaps naively believe most people were duped into voting trump and that neonazis are a tiny minority.

              i think we are dramatically progressing as a society in a rather rapid fashion. ain't always gonna be smooth

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          September 11, 2017 10:02 PM

          Same here

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          September 12, 2017 7:15 PM

          That’s cool! I didn’t know that.

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        September 11, 2017 8:07 PM

        nice!

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        September 11, 2017 8:11 PM

        truley anhero oh c'mon, somebody had to say it. :D

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        September 11, 2017 8:24 PM

        You're a good guy anhero.

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        September 11, 2017 11:49 PM

        Wow. Most people are too proud to change behaviors like that, let alone acknowledge to the person they'd mocked about it that they were right. Nice dude

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        September 12, 2017 2:43 AM

        I still feel shitty about some dumb Jew "joke" I made last year or the year before when asking for some financial advice.

        "Oh jeez, this post isn't funny. I'd better add a funny joke." https://i.imgur.com/NzDDiMo.gifv

        To this day I haven't looked Borzoi in the eye.

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          September 12, 2017 5:31 AM

          I haven't looked Borzoi in the eye either, but that's 'cause we've never met.

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            September 12, 2017 1:40 PM

            Nobody looks me in the eye, even when they meet me!

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        September 12, 2017 7:16 AM

        Hey, thanks man! I really appreciate you saying something, and I have a ton of respect for you saying something publicly; that's a hard thing to do.

        Personally, I think it's important for everyone to try their best to learn, grow, and communicate, so you saying something means a lot to me.

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        September 12, 2017 8:03 AM

        That was also around the same time that a few posters here that I won't name were abusing the custom [lol] script to tag all of my posts "fgt" regardless of what I said.

        That was pretty hurtful, but it was more hurtful that the mod community at the time was okay with it.

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      September 11, 2017 8:23 PM

      I was playing Rocket League a while back and a guy on coms just kept going *deep breath* "nigggggerrrr" for the entire match.

      I could only imagine what that guy was like in real life.

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        September 11, 2017 8:33 PM

        Sounds like he needed someone to introduce his forehead to a captive bolt pistol.

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        September 11, 2017 9:47 PM

        Perhaps he has Tourette's

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        September 11, 2017 10:12 PM

        with my username, if people are going to tilt in RL there's about a 75% chance they'll go straight there. at least it usually means they're losing

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      September 11, 2017 8:43 PM

      You make me proud to support this community.

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      September 11, 2017 9:39 PM

      Well said. Agreed!

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      September 12, 2017 12:00 AM

      Well said. Also, can't believe people are saying "get over it"... Such a bad excuse...

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      September 12, 2017 12:09 AM

      Will be interesting to see if he can muster enough humility to straight out apologize. I remain convinced it was probably a slip that he instantly regretted, and I don't agree with banning him from Youtube and whatnot - that'll just make a martyr out of him for all of his millions of fans that obviously don't have a problem with this incident. It's much better to see sponsors abandon him and people across the board rejecting the idea that something like this is OK. We have seen exactly how well screaming and pointing fingers works on racists in the last few years. It just makes things worse.

      The longer he takes to acknowledge his mistake, the harder it is to believe that he's a decent human being. I wonder if he's worried about losing fans or their respect if he appears "weak", or if it's purely an ego thing.

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      September 12, 2017 12:39 AM

      Worse than Hulk Hogan.

      And he's less likable

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        September 12, 2017 12:54 AM

        I do have a legit question though.
        why is this a big deal now? I swear shouting nigger and faggot was his whole shtick for a long time.

        Is this really the first time hes done it?

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      September 12, 2017 12:59 AM

      What needs to stop is the media making such a fuss about some random Internet dude who is popular by a bunch of random Internet kids. This is so not newsworthy, stop giving this guy attention.

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        September 12, 2017 1:10 AM

        I can't stand the guy, but he's every bit as much of a celebrity as most of the folks in hollywood, in some demographics he's even more so.

        I'm not saying that we should give him attention, but it's exactly the same as giving attention to Taylor Swift or Tom Cruise.

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        September 12, 2017 1:17 AM

        Even my 70 year old mother knows PPD. Letting a guy with 50M+ kids as subscribers get away with this like nothing happened doesn't sound like the way to go to me, even if some of the reactions to this have been over the top.

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        September 12, 2017 3:17 AM

        He has so many subscribers that this is news. Success and a large platform demand more scrutiny. It's a fundamental purpose of a journalist.

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        September 12, 2017 4:09 AM

        It blows my fucking mind that the BBC of all places keeps covering this asshole. Their news site is fucking trash these days, barely a step up from the Daily Mail site.

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          September 12, 2017 4:17 AM

          lol they covered it in newsround which is targeted at kids. Same people who make up pews audience.

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          September 12, 2017 4:49 AM

          That really surprised me too when that came up in the app

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        September 12, 2017 7:24 AM

        It's time people stop thinking of Youtube streamers as some niche entertainment venue. Youtube/twitch/etc is the way kids get their content these days. This guy is Hollywood-level popular, and he's far from the only one making bank from social media content. Dom Mazetti drives a McLaren thanks to those BroScience videos.

        It's a brave new world.

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        September 12, 2017 7:28 AM

        YOU are some random internet dude. PDP is a massively popular celebrity who has made millions off of his medium.

        It's no different than any other celebrity that people look up to.

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        September 12, 2017 9:28 AM

        by not saying anything you allow it to happen

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        September 12, 2017 4:51 PM

        With 57 million subscribers, I think he's gone past the realm of "random Internet dude." The guy had a Disney show in the works at one point.

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      September 12, 2017 1:07 AM

      Great stuff, man.

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      September 12, 2017 4:48 AM

      Its all marketing. Because of what he did, Shacknews have his photo on their front page, and his name underneath it.

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        September 12, 2017 5:02 AM

        I'm having a hard time believing that PewPieDie planned this. And if he did, he's an even bigger dummy. This is the sort of thing that makes sponsors drop out. Sure, some people may learn about PewPieDie from this news, but it's not the sort of thing that would make most people want to start following him.

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        September 12, 2017 5:06 AM

        I doubt that. If this was a constructed controversy, he would already have put out some sort of attempt at redemption and apologise profusely. Unless he's going full Trump and just wants that alt-right market all for himself.

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        September 12, 2017 7:12 AM

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        September 12, 2017 7:22 AM

        That is wayyyy too risky for a marketing stunt. And it's not like he is hurting for money. Dude rakes in millions a year.

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      September 12, 2017 5:15 AM

      Glad this isn't being ignored. If his audience wasn't mostly teens and pre-teens, I wouldn't mind as much,

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        September 12, 2017 5:34 AM

        yeah something disturbing to me about that as well

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      September 12, 2017 6:43 AM

      So can they actually selectively get his content taken down? I though if a company is going to use DMCA to have content taken down, it can't be selectively applied. They would have to have all Firewatch videos taken down, no?

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      September 12, 2017 6:54 AM

      Agreed 100 percent with you. The tone and way he says it its obvious he says it all the time. I too curse like a sailor but not with that word. To say it while streaming to millions of kids, fuck that douche.

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      September 12, 2017 7:14 AM

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        September 12, 2017 7:19 AM

        i have adblock. did he monetise this video?

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        September 12, 2017 7:20 AM

        Fair enough, I suppose. I personally have never used that term even in my most vitriolic gaming rage, and I'm talking "getting cheesed by some Guile-maining piece of shit in Street Fighter II" rage, but to each his own.

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        September 12, 2017 7:25 AM

        "Hey guys, PewDiePie here, I guess you're all really upset and I'm supposed to say Sorry so Sorry (I guess) I'll try not to be a terrible person like all the other gamers I play with. Oh, excuse me, the kettle is boiling. Gotta go, kthxbye"

        Also wow, when he did he turn into a furry bushman? He needs to take some clippers to all those scraggly beard hairs.

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        September 12, 2017 7:27 AM

        Mostly the right things to say (besides some wishy washy language like 'if I offended anyone'). Hard to really take him at his word because this is like the 3rd one of these mea culpa videos I've seen him do. Just be better, dude heh.

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        September 12, 2017 7:32 AM

        PDP is a piece of shit.

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        September 12, 2017 7:32 AM

        I mean, he's right. I don't believe him. I'm glad he can acknowledge what he said was awful and that he should know better - and that he should have already learned.

        And I'm annoyed that being able to make a 1:35 minute video is going to now make folks inclined to say "what more do you want from him?" - because sometimes, you make enough mistakes you don't get to say you're sorry and take it back.

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            September 12, 2017 7:43 AM

            Honestly I find the whole "go to rehab"/"suddenly become a peace corps worker" type of thing even more contrived. I'd rather people just say sorry, move on, and try not to be a shitheel any longer.

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            September 12, 2017 7:53 AM

            I'm of the camp that racial slurs dropped casually are something we as a society certainly still need to make a big deal of.

            Maybe that's the American in me, watching my country have white supremacist marches, but it's still a giant problem in my life.

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              September 12, 2017 8:03 AM

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                September 12, 2017 8:05 AM

                Oh, yeah, I think we are in agreement on what he is. Casual racist is spot on, and the most insidious right now (in my world.) Lots of people claiming they aren't at all racist, then exhibiting racist behaviors or backing racist things and explaining it away with hand waving "it's not because of racism, it's because X"

                As with PDP, he said "he just thought of the worst thing he could say" - sure you did, buddy.

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              September 12, 2017 8:04 AM

              It does seem like a pivotal fight in the overall culture war we seem to be in these days (demonstrated by the current sociopolitical climate).

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          September 12, 2017 8:24 AM

          Actually, I disagree on that last. I'm willing to forgive quite a bit if the person actually seems to understand why what they did was wrong and is clearly making changes.

          I don't really buy that in this specific instance, no.

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        September 12, 2017 8:09 AM

        So uh, after watching this I clicked on on of his other videos called "I'm banned" , skipped through it for 2 minutes or so, in that time span he trolls pay for service websites ala patreon by:

        -sending a girl, a song by dj Adolf and asking her to dance to it
        -sending a comic artist to draw a picture of his grandpa Joseph goebbels
        -a few random jew puns/hatespeech references

        And while at it has a giveaway on one of the most questionable of all key selling sites called g2a

        While we were having the discussion about context, casual racism etc i wasn't really familiar with that guy's body of work. Soooo yeah, while I wasn't willing to presume if it was a casual run of the mill racism or something worse over a simple clip, im leaning into the worse camp now.

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          September 12, 2017 8:20 AM

          yep. i don't actually understand how people can see this stuff, taken all together (or even just one, honestly, or two) and say anything but "someone who consistently makes tasteless jokes only about racist shit is racist."

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      September 12, 2017 7:28 AM

      He's a dumb 27 year old kid with too way too much money and way too much exposure. I wish he would just stop too, he's annoying and not talented or gifted or special in any meaningful way.

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        September 12, 2017 7:38 AM

        27 years old is not a "dumb kid". At that age you've graduated to "stupid fuck".

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          September 12, 2017 7:39 AM

          He's a stupid fucking kid. I'm pretty sure he never grew up. Besides, he's younger than me, he's a kid ;)

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            September 12, 2017 7:59 AM

            I'm pretty sure he never grew up.

            That may very well be, but he's still an adult even if he's acting like a child, so he gets adult consequences and criticism. I don't know if you intended it that way, but "he's a dumb 27 year old kid" sounds too much like a "he's just a kid and doesn't know any better" dismissal.

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        September 12, 2017 7:41 AM

        I had never heard of him before. What exactly is his claim to fame (ie, what differentiates him from other streamers)? Is he funny or something?

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          September 12, 2017 7:44 AM

          he is the #1 most popular and most subscribed-to creator on youtube for multiple years running

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            September 12, 2017 7:45 AM

            and, notably, his audience is chock full of young children

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              September 12, 2017 7:46 AM

              and i mean actual children and not "27 year old kid" children

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                September 12, 2017 9:39 AM

                this is an important distinction to review as this continues to melt down. it's not 'locker room cursing', it's broadcasting to actual children.

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          September 12, 2017 7:46 AM

          You'd never heard of PewDiePie?! The only thing I can think of that differentiates himself from other streamers is he makes a lot of obnoxious sounds and voices that attract children. He's like IT only uglier and maybe doesn't eat children. And since more kids watch more dumb shit than anything else on the planet he quickly rose through the ranks as one of the first famous paid youtubers (I think). It would have been someone else I'm sure but he's the one that lucked out.

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            September 12, 2017 7:50 AM

            he makes a lot of obnoxious sounds and voices that attract children

            Haha this is all I need to know, thanks. I swear, 90% of the time I click on a Let's Play video or Twitch stream I end up closing it a few seconds later because of some insufferably obnoxious voice.

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          September 12, 2017 7:47 AM

          He's kind of like a combination of a GiantBomb quicklook with the personality of a Robbaz. A lot of people watch his streams when deciding whether or not to buy a game, so as a result marketers definitely want to use him as an advertising channel.

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            September 12, 2017 7:52 AM

            I would guess the vast majority of his audience isn't even really ppl watching for purchasing advice, it's simply kids watching their favorite show on TV.

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          September 12, 2017 7:52 AM

          He was one of the early prominent youtube ones. What differentiates him from normal people (afaik) is that he liked to shout and scream and act the fool and blurt nonsense out while playing scary games and stuff, and kids absolutely ate it up. Kids love all sorts of random garbage.

          But it hardly seems different now as that sort of behavior feels way more common after his success.

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          September 12, 2017 7:54 AM

          he was one of the first and his obnoxiousness appeals really well to 9-14 year old boys

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        September 12, 2017 8:00 AM

        Of course. Now make him president.

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      September 12, 2017 8:31 AM

      Thank you for this. I'm glad to see someone from shacknews taking such a firm stand.

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      September 12, 2017 8:43 AM

      Good piece, Asif.

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      September 12, 2017 12:32 PM

      More horrific than any word that can be said is someone telling you what you are allowed to say. I know words hurt, I've been bullied my whole life, but you know what hurts more? Someone beating the shit out of you.

      A white person says nigger is automatically worse than hitler and the devil combined. Yet a black man said we have to kill all white people and no one bats an eye. Now think about that, why do white people eat each other over racism? It is intimated that we are somehow superior and we should know better. WE ARE NOT BETTER. We are all the same, yet even the suspicion of racism is a death sentence... IF YOU ARE WHITE.

      I'm so fucking sick of a cracker saying something fucked up and the world stops turning. I consider all racism to BE EQUAL. And the world is so full of it, it's normal. So either stop it all, or let it all pass. Either way, fucking get over it. As we chat, genocides are happening, rapes, murders, the fucking planet being destroyed? And we waste time on this shit? When we get everything else covered, I'll back to this and we'll solve it. Fuck sakes.

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        September 12, 2017 12:33 PM

        I mean we got people who can't believe the earth is round yet we are suprised at racism?

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      September 12, 2017 4:54 PM

      Fantastic piece, Asif!

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