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    Alright people lets just say this about Xbox one, and games. Its going to have the most exclusive content, and the best efforts of 3rd party games. Publishers are going to support this console more then any other console that doesn't provide them a cut of used sales.

    So as far as games the one is going to be the spot to play them, because it will have the most content.
    May 25, 2013 3:39am PDT
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    Alright people lets just say this about Xbox one, and games. Its going to have the most exclusive content... : Mysssss

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      Speculation. : WarWolf7
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        Speculation that the PS4 won't require a Internet connection, and won't take a cut of used games. Yes I'm... : Mysssss
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          You're speculating that the Xbox will be the most supported console. It's entirely possible the Xbox will... : WarWolf7
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            Did you read his post? His speculation is rooted in solid reasoning. Third party publishers have all d... : MHSilver
            • However, what if the Xbox doesn't take off? Will support still be there? What if the relationship with re... : WarWolf7
            • Also I'd like to point out the original post saying these things were definite. : WarWolf7
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            No I'm saying it will have the most content, because its in publishers best interest for the one to be th... : Mysssss
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              What if the used policy is detrimental to sales? That's not in the publishers' best interest. Also bot... : WarWolf7
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                The policy won't even be noticed by the audience, it's happening behind the counter. With digital bein... : Mysssss
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                  It will be noticed when consumers get less money for their trade-ins. I think if MS is going to have ... : WarWolf7
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                    Lol you sit there screaming no it won't help then finally come to understand the truth. So you say well S... : Mysssss
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                      I never said one way or the other and I most certainly haven't been screaming. You on the other hand are ... : WarWolf7
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                        I am sure of myself because I'm a educated in these matters. Matter of fact your sure of me too as you re... : Mysssss
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                          "I am sure of myself because I'm a educated in these matters." lol. Good one! : DevSword
                          • Indeed. : WarWolf7
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                          I don't recognize that Sony needs to go that route, I'm saying if one does, they both probably will. You ... : WarWolf7
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                            I've been through this cycle enough times to be educated. " i don't recognize... They both probably w... : Mysssss
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                              Ok, let me try to explain what I mean. I don't recognize they NEED to go that route, I recognize they pro... : WarWolf7
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                                Need is not a definitive, if you think they'll probably do something your implying a need. So you can pla... : Mysssss
                                • What I said with my statement was perfectly clear. Your reading comprehension is lacking. Again, you c... : WarWolf7
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              The only way content could be more profitable on "The One" is if Microsoft drops its licensing fee. Thei : DevSword
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                I'm saying its more profitable because they're selling the same game twice. Reaching into a revenue strea... : Mysssss
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                  Well they've said they'll support sales of used games, but what they've also said is that there will be a : DevSword
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                    To this point, pushing always online could make new games cheaper. The only way to overcome something as... : DevSword
                    • Yes, good point. Games will inevitably be cheaper with more strict DRM. The nickle and diming of micro t... : WarWolf7
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                      They have just taken control of it, the used market. : Mysssss
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                        No, they haven't. Without the Gamestops out there the used market is not nearly as significant. : WarWolf7
                        • Who said GameStop was going away. GameStop is going to be fine. : Mysssss
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                    They already explained what would happen its the same as always go to GameStop. Buy a used game and it pl... : Mysssss
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                      Where did they say this? They didn't talk about any fee relating to GameStop specifically. The only "sc : DevSword
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                        They clarified the system with polygon. Ign and gamespot ran the articles this week. 1. Yes used games... : Mysssss
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                          The Polygon article didn't say anything about charging GameStop a fee. It said there would be no fees fo : DevSword
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                            They specifically discuss its unclear what percentage but the publisher will take a cut and Microsoft. : Mysssss
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                              Demand for used and new will remain the same even now you can buy used games for less then new. That hasn... : Mysssss
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                                It won't remain the same if games become reliant on post purchase digital content. People will want the ... : DevSword
                                • People don't want the cheapest version now, that's not gonna change. : Mysssss
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                                You literally are just arbitrarily guessing. I don't think anyone knows the effects with any degree of c... : Longrifle101
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                                  No, he clearly said, "I am sure of myself because I'm a educated in these matters." : WarWolf7
                                  • LOL, sounds like it. : Longrifle101
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                                  Arbitrary lmao consumers habits are easy they go toward the massive appeal (NFL) and gamers go to where t... : Mysssss
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                                    More imaginary numbers. : WarWolf7
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                                      That ones not actually a example its factual it comes from GameStop. 30% of their revenue is used sales s... : Mysssss
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                                        Right, and GameStop will gladly stand in as Microsoft's physical portal to make these profits? Or maybe ... : DevSword
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                                          Yeah, MS is going to make 100% profit on all the used games GameStop sells. GameStop is going to waste sh... : WarWolf7
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                                            Ughhh silly you but I expect that. They aren't taking 100% of profits on used games they'd just take thei... : Mysssss
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                                              GameStop's 30% doesn't come form a "cut" though Myss. That's why its a profitable business for them. If... : DevSword
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                                                No but they'll make that back on the consumer. But the consumers won't see it, say your game return got y... : Mysssss
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                                                  No they won't "make that back" they'll make a fraction of the amount that GameStop makes. Its additional... : DevSword
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                                                    No it won raise profits much just about 42% that's all. : Mysssss
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                                                      Yay! More imaginary numbers! : WarWolf7
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                                                        Ugh really do you know anything about math. Simple if I have 7 what percentage is 3... Guess the answer y... : Mysssss
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                                                          You said profits will raise 42%, seems just one of those random imaginary numbers you keep coming up with... : WarWolf7
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                                                            Yes because 3 is 42% of 7, and your adding used revenue adds 3 to 7. Do you follow, it's very simple math... : Mysssss
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                                                              Who is getting this profit increase of 42%? : WarWolf7
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                                                                Its like explaining something to a child, the publisher and Microsoft. : Mysssss
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                                                                  Very huge profit increases, don't you think? You would think there would be a major game site out there s... : WarWolf7
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                                                                    Don't you think a major website would be discussing the WiiU being the second best selling console at lau... : Mysssss
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                                                                      Please don't put words into my mouth. Ok, it doesn't have to be a gaming site. How about a site with ... : WarWolf7
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                                                                        What do you think that'd going to happen instantly. It's a long time before they turn profits on these co... : Mysssss
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                                                                          I'd like to see a journalist with integrity from a respectable site confirm these ludicrous profit claims... : WarWolf7
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                                                                            So are you saying that used sales don't make up 30% of GameStop that goes unaccounted for by the rest of ... : Mysssss
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                                                                              What about people selling their used games to purchase brand new games? Are you factoring any of that in? : WarWolf7
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                                                                                Yeah this doesn't stop that, people can continue that practice. : Mysssss
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                                                                                  That means it is not a 30% loss for the publishers. : WarWolf7
                                                                                  • It was never a loss, it was nothing they couldn't touch it. Now they can. : Mysssss
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                                                                                  And just because someone buys something used doesn't mean that they would have bought it new otherwise. T... : WarWolf7
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                                                                                    Exactly so now publisher get a cut from a purchaser new or used. : Mysssss
                                                                                    • Yeah, duh. The point I was making is you are pulling imaginary numbers out of your ass to come to this co... : WarWolf7
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                                                                              MS and publishers are not going to take all this used revenue away from GameStop. The only thing I have r... : WarWolf7
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                                                                                Nor do they take all the revenue on new sales. They're only skimming a portion of that as well. But at le... : Mysssss
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                                                                                  Come to realize? Of course they will get more money from used sale if they are skimming. NOT 42% PROFIT. ... : WarWolf7
                                                                                  • David cage might have something different to say about that. : Mysssss
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                                                              You're basically the CEO in an ivory tower that Garnett was describing, in the form of a message board po... : DevSword
                                                              • Lol there's a reason they're up there and garnet is begging for change on a busted game he published. : Mysssss
                                  • But you're missing the point that if Microsoft creates a system at retail where used games get an extra f : DevSword
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                                    Gamers are consumers. And if consumers go to where the content is how do you explain the success of the W... : Longrifle101
                                    • Content wii sports, that alone is enough content. Yes cod and FIFA are on the PS4, but FIFA has exclus... : Mysssss
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                                      The numbers are based off gamestops CEO saying used sales account for 30% of the revenue for GS. So you s... : Mysssss
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                                        Based on what you said, if a Gamestop Exec says used game sales account for 30% of their revenue then I w... : Longrifle101
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                                          To clarify, your 70% number is interesting, but your assumptions aren't fully fleshed out and they really... : Longrifle101
                                          • No I'm no expert I just can think on my own, and apply simple concepts. I've been through the console cyc... : Mysssss
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                                          Your completely right I'm just using it as a rough number. That 70% who know how much is even new games. ... : Mysssss
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                                            I get it. Regardless of the percentage MS will have access to x amount of revenue because of this scheme,... : Longrifle101
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                                              Bingo, and yes now we wait on Sony. But by no means was that a bad business move on MS, they made a lot o... : Mysssss
                                              • Unless they're not going to pay them anything and they keep 100% of that used game charge - like gamestop... : Longrifle101
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                                        Oh wow, now I see where you're getting this crazy math. Haha. GameStop says 30% of its profits are from u... : WarWolf7
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                                          No it's not, ugh they probably account for much less so say its fake number 40%. That means that 30% used... : Mysssss
                                          • Let me clarify that 70% of GameStop revenue is including new games, accessories, and hardware. So I propo... : Mysssss
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                                            "so say its fake number 40%" See, this is why I'm calling you out on imaginary numbers. Stop using fak... : WarWolf7
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                                              Call me out all you want, I'm using logical points. I don't have too prove anything it's already proven. ... : Mysssss
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                                                Of course it's not all from new sales. That's why I clearly said, "everything else." You're just maki... : WarWolf7
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                                                  No it's not fact its a estimation, and 10 for every 5. Yeah it's a lot closer to that then you think. ... : Mysssss
                                                  • Like I've said before, and I'll say again. You use imaginary numbers to prove your points. It's pure nons... : WarWolf7
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                                                    Also, why are you using GameStop's revenue percentages to determine MS and publisher percentage? : WarWolf7
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                                                      ??? Who do you think the publisher and Microsoft get their money from? : Mysssss
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                                                        Only GameStop? Hardly. And you still wouldn't apply GameStop's revenue percentages to MS/publishers. Come... : WarWolf7
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                                                          I never said only GameStop, but they're the largest games seller and buying habits of customer can be exp... : Mysssss
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                                                            You've said Sony has to sell 10 to MS selling 7. Then you're now saying 10 to 5. Earlier you say MS p... : WarWolf7
                                                            • Clearly you lack basic math skills. Still not able to grasp the 42% yet? It's what 3 is to 7. So if you i... : Mysssss
                            • No they didn't. They don't mention any fee, a percentage, or anything relating to ANY retailer. The wor... : DevSword
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                2nd paragraph* publishers will make more money off the PS4 because more players will purchase that versio... : DevSword
                • How many more do they need to sell to equal what they get from one sales? Remember sell 10 on the one cou... : Mysssss
    • This was pretty much my thinking...but then something Garnett said started to change my mind. Will Micro... : Atanatari165
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      What makes you think Sony isn't going to do the same thing with used games on the PS4? All Sony said abou... : Vinnymike
      • They might but that require a Internet connection and install to be as seamless as this is going to be. Y... : Mysssss
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      We'll see if restricting used sales even increases revenue for game publishers and Microsoft. I think ... : RedSwirl
      • They aren't restricting used sales they're just taking a cut of them. They realize not everyone wants ... : Mysssss
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      Ok so the Eurogamer story you're quoting cites the figure of 35 pounds---which is about $53 for a used ga : DevSword
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        And used games are going to remain there. They are going to tax the consumer on trade ins, not used sales... : Mysssss
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          But why would they charge the same rate for a game like CoD as they would for some random title no one ca... : DevSword
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            They charge whatever people will pay they currently charge more for CoD then random title nobody wants. ... : Mysssss
            • Why would Microsoft charge the same fee for every Xbox title, when people will pay more for a Call of Dut... : DevSword