Thread Truncated. Click to see all 164 replies.

• toggle

  How many consoles actually did backwards compatibility well? Only the Wii and Nintendo handhelds? : crummynz
  • PS2 did wonderfully as well. : Yanks
  • toggle

    PS2 did PS1 well didn't it? And PS3 does PS1 and used to do PS2 for a brief time. 360 did a subset of the... : derelict515
    • I believe in the case of playstation, each iteration has contained essentially a PS1 SOC partly for backw... : Herman Toothrot
  • toggle

    Sega Master System : ghost in my shell
    • Power Base Converter? Except F16 Fighting Falcon never worked. Otherwise, flawless. : dealie
  • toggle

    Atari 7800 did it perfect : watcherxp
    • toggle

      My Robot Tank cartridge has a few words for you. : Endymion_
      • OK 1st rev 7800 did it perfect, didn't realize the later revs had issues : watcherxp
  • Fat PS3 (still have mine), Nintendo handhelds : Wolfanoz
  • Commodore 128 had only like 2 C64 games it couldn't run. : AxeMan808
• toggle

  I wonder where those stats are from? I mean, what systems have been fully backwards compatible? I can thi... : brickmatt
  • toggle

    don't you need to download a patch for each Xbox game when you first try to play it on the 360? : derelict515
    • toggle

      The emulation of Xbox games on the 360 was so shitty that I stopped trying. I remember some games, like R... : brickmatt
      • toggle

        right, they were basically ports, you had to download a patch to make them work iirc, which would lead to... : derelict515
        • toggle

          Since they worked and looked like shit, those are pretty skewed numbers. I tried it, it sucked, I stopped... : brickmatt
          • toggle

            but then you would register as one of the 5% having tried even once. This wasn't about how much time peop... : derelict515
            • But then, as an early adopter, I told all my friends and family not to bother playing old games on the sy... : brickmatt
• toggle

  Yeah, let's make them pay for everything all over again through XBLA, On demand. Get fucked. : Wolfanoz
  • toggle

    what solution are you proposing? You can pay Sony for a streaming version of your already purchased conte... : derelict515
    • toggle

      Not having to pay for it all over again when we've already paid a shitload for titles that still are deli... : Wolfanoz
      • toggle

        So you think the games will be available on the XO? If the games are manually ported, I suppose you mi... : roggor
        • Obviously Steam and XBLA are different platforms. I've bought Zen and Pinball Arcade on PS Store and XBL... : Wolfanoz
      • toggle

        They should give developers the opportunity to bring their existing game to the One outside of the normal... : Crimsonbeak
        • toggle

          But then why bother porting it? Most of the people that would be interested in the port probably already ... : roggor
          • toggle

            Let the developers make that decision though. : Crimsonbeak
            • toggle

              But why would the developer make a port of an older game only to give it away to the majority of the peop... : roggor
              • toggle

                Same reason all games are made to make money. I am not saying it would be a 100% success rate but it sho... : Crimsonbeak
                • I don't see where it isn't an option for developers. : derelict515
        • Or at least, continue the content train going for the title while porting it over if you already bought i... : Wolfanoz
      • toggle

        You don't have to pay again, you can just play on your 360.... : SlingBlaze
        • Until your 360 famously dies, and they no longer produce them... then what? :) : Wolfanoz
      • toggle

        so which of my proposals are you asking for then? Every XBLA dev to port their game to the Xbox One for f... : derelict515
        • toggle

          I'm overlooking some of the older XBLA games barely anyone touches anymore but as for the stuff that's st... : Wolfanoz
          • toggle

            ok so why are you complaining about MS? Your issue is with the XBLA and PSN developers who aren't willing... : derelict515
            • toggle

              Because only MS has made this clear. We have no clue what Sony may or may not do. When we do, we can bi... : Goto10
              • toggle

                Sony confirmed the PS4 is not backwards compatible with your existing PS3 PSN purchases or discs, because... : derelict515
                • You can do anything. Anything at all. The only limit is yourself. : Endymion_
                • here's the actual tweet confirming it'll be done via the cloud service http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/20/... : derelict515
        • toggle

          Why are you acting like playing games on future consoles is something new and only MS faces this challeng... : Goto10
          • Why is MS and Sony incompetent for making machines that are focused on playing new games rather than ones... : roggor
          • toggle

            Sony managed it by including the old hardware in the new hardware. Then they realized no one actually car... : derelict515
            • toggle

              They also realized they could turn it into a profit center as well and now sell classic PS2 games on thei... : Goto10
              • toggle

                The PC also handles it very well and continues to increase gains much higher than what consoles do. Be : derelict515
                • toggle

                  " What should Sony have done in 1994 with the PS1? Correctly predicted which CPU architecture was and wou... : Goto10
                  • My point is you're bouncing around between different concepts and not understanding the actual issues at ... : derelict515
                  • toggle

                    Emulating an NES game and emulating an xbox 1 game require two entirely different levels of cost/effort. ... : qwpeoriu
                    • toggle

                      I think he genuinely does not grok the differences in engineering, even if perhaps you were trying to mak... : Endymion_
                      • Ok, what is this Vampire Rain game? Now I'm interested, it worked. : Goto10
          • The "superfluous TV and Skype stuff" is a big part of their strategy. Like it or not, competition for th : action wombmate
    • toggle

      Has Sony mentioned anything about streaming, much less if they did have the capabilities, you'd have to p... : Goto10
      • toggle

        Sony spent $400 million to acquire Gakai's streaming game service. That's the only way they could provide... : derelict515
        • toggle

          You don't know if your past purchases will come for free or not. You have no clue. : Goto10
          • toggle

            I'm sure Sony will happily give away the ongoing cost of streaming old games to recoup their $400 million... : derelict515
            • toggle

              Guys guys, I'm sure Vampire Rain will be there for all to play, no worries. : Endymion_
              • ^^ Made Vampire Rain. ;) : Wolfanoz
  • Don't get so upset, you can still play Vampire Rain on your 360. : Endymion_
  • Pay for what again? 360 titles of any sort, xbla or retail, won't work on Xbox One since it's an entirel... : dpgagnon
• toggle

  Not too worried about the 360 games but no transfer of my Arcade purchases just seems crazy. : marblehead
  • toggle

    I do agree with this. If anythingn if you own the 360 version, you should at least be able to download t... : daroach1414
    • toggle

      You are expecting most games to be ported? Most of the XBLA games are written in C++ with tons of low lev... : roggor
      • No, not really. maybe some of the higher profile ones. I honestly only have like 5-6 arcade games. : daroach1414
    • toggle

      Thing is how do you prove you "own" it. You could rent games from things like Gamefly or, if any still ex... : DedlokPM
      • toggle

        Im talking about Arcade games, not actual discs. : daroach1414
        • Then people would complain about why they go to the extremes of making just Arcade games work on One but ... : DedlokPM
• toggle

  BC seems like something that I should like, but I never once played PS2 game on the PS3, nor did I play a... : thecray
  • Wind Waker and Metroid Prime. : steauengeglase
• toggle

  Never really understood people caring so much about BC. Just use the original system. : jabuck
  • toggle

    Yeah my friend wanted to resell his PSP to get a Vita and they only offered $25 bucks for it at Gamestop ... : Sailor of Fortune
    • I see PSP's selling a lot (and for more) through Craigslist and Ebay. Not worth the taking it up the ass... : Wolfanoz
  • I'm not too hung up on BC either. I can see where it would be kind of nice to have only one thing hook... : smackpiece
  • Old hardware fails, services can go kaput (look at the shutting down of Xbox Live for the original Xbox).... : pyide
  • While I don't care a ton about BC for this reason, I think it'll matter more possibly some this generatio... : SolrFlare
  • I play PSX and PS2 games quite often on my PS3 and I like having all those games available to play only u... : greg-m
  • At the start of a new console cycle we all would like free BC if they could do it, because it means we ca... : abrasion
  • toggle

    The whole idea behind the XboxOne is integration and consolidation and the one thing they leave out is th... : harvord
    • ALL-IN-ONE!! Yeah, except your huge game library, it's not invited. : Mad Brahmin Disease
• toggle

  It's funny how amazing the new system is, you can talk to it, it can see your pulse, they've scanned dogs... : not work safe
  • When it comes down to it, what motivation do they have to develop BC? Its apparently complicated to pu... : daroach1414
  • I'd imagine the budget and man-hours needed to adapt and debug the 360 architecture to the new x86 archit... : DedlokPM
• I recognize that I am a minority, but I used my Wii a TON for playing Gamecube games. My Gamecube broke ... : knytehawkk
• toggle

  They all seem to ignore the fact this is the first time many console users have a built up digital librar... : pyide
  • toggle

    I've mentioned this before, but wouldn't Steam users find it odd if the SteamBox 1 came out, then the Ste... : Goto10
    • toggle

      Nintendo doesn't get it right all the time. Software sure but you can't play SNES games on a N64 or put N... : Sailor of Fortune
      • toggle

        "Going forward for Sony or MSFT things should be easier for BC if it's going to keep the same style archi... : Goto10
        • toggle

          so you're actually completely ok being forced to rebuy your old content for the right price : derelict515
          • toggle

            Yes, that is a much different message completely than "You're backwards". If I don't own the cartridge a... : Goto10
            • no I just understand what the number 5% means. There was a non-trivial effort put into enabling Xbox game : derelict515
          • toggle

            That's not really true. You can play all your Wii VC titles in the Wii emulated mode. The additional pr... : capt tripps
            • toggle

              but aren't the Wii VC titles NES/SNES games you rebought on the Wii VC? It wasn't backwards compatible wi... : derelict515
              • toggle

                There was no NES/SNES/GC upgrade pricing for the Wii because the Wii was the first to have a VC. : capt tripps
                • toggle

                  You're talking about stuff that isn't really relevant to what's going on here. This is how this starte : derelict515
                  • toggle

                    The Wii U plays Wii games because it has a Wii built into the system. It plays Wii Disk or Wii games you... : Goto10
                    • toggle

                      And no, you don't repurchase games you've bought before. They transfer over. If you want the newer Wii ... : Goto10
                      • toggle

                        you had to rebuy Metroid on the Wii VC even if you owned the original Metroid cart because the Wii didn't... : derelict515
                        • toggle

                          That is true, and I will leave it with this as I think we've both beat this horse to a fine mist. If dow... : Goto10
                          • yep, I mean I will be sad if I have no way to go back and play Geometry Wars 2 and Trials HD and whatnot ... : derelict515
                    • The Wii U plays Wii games because it has a Wii built into the system. It plays Wii Disk or Wii games you' : derelict515
• I wonder if part of the reason is that they will continue selling 360s, and perhaps have a cheap SKU for ... : Dave-A
• toggle

  The only reason I didn't play more Xbox games on my 360 was none of my favorites were BC. :/ : Borzoi
  • Same here. : baron calamity
  • Yep...wanted to play Indiana Jones And the Emporer's Tomb . NOPE! : Wolfanoz
  • Rallisport Challenge 2 =(. : serenj
• toggle

  I am the 5%. Joking aside, I see the wisdom in cutting BC. Designing hardware that can run old games a... : David Craddock
  • toggle

    Look further into the future though: http://www.shacknews.com/chatty?id=30207733 What's going to happen?... : pyide
    • What are the options though? We could stick with the same architecture forever. Sony could be stuck wi... : derelict515
  • "most gamers want new games to show off their shiny new platforms" I only remember this in the 16 bit ... : steauengeglase
• I used my Wii to play Gamecube games more often than I did Wii games. : Volatris
• toggle

  Look, it's not backwards if I poured thousands of dollars into your eco system in what is considered the ... : Mad Brahmin Disease
  • toggle

    Oh, and my live subscription conveniently carries over but all my bought shit doesn't. And look, I don... : Mad Brahmin Disease
    • Because Lord knows we burned through 360s. : steauengeglase
• How long will MS be manufacturing 360s? I have 30+ games and my Xbox is 4 years old, seems like I might n... : General Balsaga
• toggle

  The arcade part is the only thing that bothers me. I'd like trails, super meat boy, and a few others to ... : Boxelder
  • toggle

    trials : Boxelder
    • PC. : Pneum0
• toggle

  Considering the platforms, original XBOX on XBone seems possible? but I doubt many people would dust off ... : threeup
  • play some mother fucking Fatal Frame and The Suffering! and Links 2004 : Degenerate
• toggle

  Echoes of derelict515 vis-a-vis Win32: http://www.shacknews.com/chatty?id=29906691#item_29906691 : the archvile
  • I have no idea why you think this is related : derelict515
• toggle

  I agree with this actually. I was always so worried about this feature in consoles but in reality I hardl... : Simulacrum
  • I'd rather they used the resources to make the new software better sooner. : Simulacrum
• toggle

  Wii games is all i play on my wiiu .. Oh wait theres no wiiu games (still a nice to have) : frush
  • I still love Tiger Woods, the wiimote is great with it. We still play Resort/Sports too. : Pneum0
• toggle

  You know, as much as I thought I was going to want BC on my 360 and PS3, I really didn't use it. I can co... : Ajax
  • The Rallisport games were some good times. : Wolfanoz
• toggle

  And with that quote, Microsoft can officially GO FUCK THEMSELVES. : AxeMan808
  • toggle

    As just a single example, note how many people just discovered System Shock 2. That could have happened w... : AxeMan808
    • toggle

      You are very right sir. I am actually on my way to my room to beat System Shock 2 as we speak. : nwillard
      • toggle

        Yeah but did you own it before or after it was RE-released from GOG? That is not just backwards compatib... : sasquatchxing
        • toggle

          I play my original CD of it. Don't forget to salt the fries. : AxeMan808
          • toggle

            Yeah bu the whole resurgence happened because the game was re-released on GOG. It has always been availa... : sasquatchxing
            • toggle

              What I mean is that if someone bought an original copy of SS2 (assuming someone were foolish enough to se... : AxeMan808
              • toggle

                if you would like to propose a solution for binary compatibility across CPU architectures I'm sure a few ... : derelict515
                • toggle

                  Look, if I had that capability, I'd be playing Jane's ATF and Longbow, and not typing in this thread. : AxeMan808
                  • toggle

                    I mean, I get being disappointed, but I don't get the 'I'm taking my ball and going home' response if you... : derelict515
                    • toggle

                      No nononono. I don't own a 360, don't plan to own a XBone. "You are backwards." is what got to me. I *do*... : AxeMan808
                      • toggle

                        Oh, I also don't own a PS2 or PS3, and don't plan to own a PS4. Or an original XBox. Only a psone. Just c... : AxeMan808
                        • toggle

                          Pretty impressive, so you game solely on PC? I'm getting back into PC gaming recently, haven't touched a... : Goto10
                          • toggle

                            Yeah. I mean, I miss some exclusives, but generally I don't MISS them, if you know what I mean. Already h... : AxeMan808
                            • The only console games I missed were WipeOut (dead now anyway) and Red Dead. No big deal. : Mr. Goodwrench
                      • toggle

                        clearly MS believes the same thing, that's why things like Halo Anniversary exist and why significant eff... : derelict515
                        • I said they could go fuck themselves. It became a big thing after that. : AxeMan808
                      • He's essentially telling us that playing Chrono Trigger (and all the other amazing games that paved the w... : Derringer
        • But that can't happen with the Xbox One. You wouldn't be able to buy a re-release of some obscure game be... : nwillard
  • toggle

    Yeah. No BC? No big deal, but they don't have to be dicks about it. All they had to say was it wasn't a f... : jtthe2nd
    • "It's something only STUPID people want. You're not STUPID, are you? Stop being STUPID." : AxeMan808
  • They can xbone themselves. : Volatris
  • toggle

    Pretty much. Most of my Xbox games are live arcade games so forget them. : Chod
    • what are you going to do with all your PSN purchases? : derelict515
• I agree with this. : Sgt_Boomstick
• toggle

  I guarantee in a few years they'll sell emulated "classics" just to grab the extra cash off that, but off... : thebigbeefsandwich
  • toggle

    so exactly what Sony did this generation? : derelict515
    • toggle

      btw here's how that strategy was received: http://www.gamerankings.com/ps3/971800-god-of-war-collectio... : derelict515
      • toggle

        Those were also full retail disc games on an SD platform turned into $20 HD digital releases on the new s... : pyide
        • toggle

          And the obvious overhaul example on the 360 is Halo Anniversary. I can see more of that kind of thing hap... : pyide
          • toggle

            sure, all your points are reasonable, but what's the result? You're saying there won't be HD remakes. Wel... : derelict515
            • toggle

              The result is we need people from Microsoft and Sony out there stating their intent to preserve their onl... : pyide
              • maybe even attempting to solve these problems rather than saying who cares? I mean, there is a known s... : derelict515
  • It costs money to port. It's not reasonable to expect devs to spend a lot of time and money making a port... : lord cecil
• I still have my original PS3 that I bought a month after release, and I can count on one hand (actually a... : Proven28
• Yep. Pretty much. : boarder2
• I don't know. I'm not worried about backwards compatibility as far as physical media goes. But... XBLA ga... : K1Bond007
• I don't think I've ever put a previous generation game disc into a console of mine... so yeah, I actually... : ramshot