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• (spoilers: it will) : Deathlove
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  gives me the red ass!! I rather liked Sim City but there is no way in hell I'm supporting this or EA. : uebersoldat
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    ueber, I am reinstalling Sim City 2000 right now. : The Grolar Bear
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      Ok I'm not really doing that but I want to. : The Grolar Bear
      • Love SC2k my good man! : uebersoldat
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      Install SimCopter while you're at it! : Sir_Shaggy
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        and Streets of SimCity : MercFox1
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          and SimTown : MercFox1
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            and SimPark : MercFox1
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              and SimHospital : MercFox1
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                and SimTower (yessss) and SimSafari (oh jesus someone kill me) : MercFox1
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                  SimAnt : agcrouton
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                    omg I have all of these. Sim Safari was hard : hanabal
                    • SimEarth? SimLife? A modern combination of the two would be pretty neat. : Arcanum
        • Does this star Karl Malden? Tonight's episode Web of Planning Zones! : =]Milo[=
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      I did that and man has that game aged! I also installed SimCity 4 and it's still pretty good! : Herman Toothrot
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        I think people who are (rightfully) disappointed about this new game should try and take comfort in the f... : Grape Flavor
        • Yeah, it still has some weird performance issues when you go to zoom in and whatnot but it's entirely pla... : Herman Toothrot
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    ty sir, While I'm wayyyy too weak to pass on a good game im glad some ppl fight the good fight : frush
    • It's easy because there are other great titles without this nonsense I'm playing right now :) : uebersoldat
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  I tried the last two nights to get in the game and it failed. I haven't even done the tutorial yet! : Proven28
  • Don't worry, you'll get it do it about thirty times when you do get in. : Rehevkor
  • Is this a regional problem? I've had zero issues with this game other than it was like 20mins late to lau... : Derringer
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  Game unlocks here tomorrow, and I've set aside my Friday night for playing it, but I'm not going to be su... : ramshot
  • Its already got 180+ one stars on Amazon. I think that is totally fair given if the game you bought is im... : Madwacker
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    I would have been fine with running a dedicated server : frush
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      That would be a nice option, but for most players, it would not work. Server admin decides to take down h... : ramshot
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        Is that really any different from the current situation? : Peanut Fox
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          In such a way that EA would have had to implement support for dedicated servers (and then have to worry a... : ramshot
          • That's a fare point. It's interesting. I think things could have worked very well if they'd taken a... : Peanut Fox
• I'm so very glad that maxis/ea is doing everything they can. It makes me feel better, while i try over a... : daroach1414
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  It's going to be a pain in the ass to play this game on the weekend. : Nitrium
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    I wonder how much playing there will be. It's amusing to see EA offering 'refunds' and then turning aroun... : LoioshDwaggie
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      If you're basing this on the Reddit thing, it's not exactly accurate. It was some forum moderator who sim... : ramshot
      • Also, the guy threatened to call his bank and dispute the payment, and that is the reason the guy warned ... : ramshot
      • He's actually the "Origin Global Community Manager" and he originally wrote (before editing it yesterday)... : aethyr
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  I have been ridiculously lucky. Played the last two nights with almost no issues outside of the first few... : at0micgarden
  • Same, been lucky. : sixfoot6
• Chronicle of an announced trainwreck. : paketep
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  Chiefly a single player game? Not from my own experiences, and from nearly every review that has came out... : spongeh
  • Post + username? : rodneystubbs
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  Paying for an online-only SP game is hilarious. : pizzaput
  • It's far from a single-player game though. : Derringer
• EA itself is something of a big mess. : pizzaput
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  maxis dev calls it the 'worst launch' http://www.reddit.com/r/SimCity/comments/19tt4v/maxis_employees_... : foo
  • I don't know about "worst", but yeah, it's pretty bad. : Arcanum
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    wow, apparently it's hosted on EC2. too bad they didn't design it to be more easily scalable (i.e. allow... : electroly
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      Yay we can blame amazone now : frush
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        it's still on the developer. EC2 is perfectly willing to give them more instances but they aren't able t... : electroly
        • Why on earth did they put it on EC2 and not have it scale dynamically? : mancide
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          Are the cities tied to the servers? What happens if an instance goes down? That could explain why people ... : dpgagnon
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            you actually choose a specific server. it's not just "NA East" with floating servers, it's "NA East 1", ... : electroly
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              I'm still giving them the benefit of doubt and hoping that "NA East 1" and "NA East 2" are clusters of in : dpgagnon
              • That's more or less what it is....they spin instances up and down dynamically, but I think it's the 'glue... : tharger
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                whether it's a cluster or a single instance is an irrelevant technical detail. the problem is their appa... : electroly
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                  (i suppose the assumption here is that they're doing this because they have no other option. i suppose it... : electroly
                  • It's very hard to load test an app like this unless you have plenty of time, insight, and/or planning for... : the archvile
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                If you start on NA East 1, do the tutorial, load a region, and create a city. That region/city is on NA E... : usmcmueller
                • If you're in NA East 1 and your friend is NA East 2, you won't see each other. : mobab
              • Probably availability zones in AWS. : sgtsanity
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              Well "storage" isn't tied to an EC2 instance in the physical sense. I think many instances can read from ... : mancide
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                well, only one instance can attach to an EBS volume at a time, but that's not relevant to your point, whi... : electroly
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                  Exactly. Sounds like they didn't have the proper testing of this autoscaling in the beta. : mancide
                  • Wait, you mean 2 beta periods for a total of ~12 hours of playing when it takes people over half that tim... : boarder2
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            Also a small limit on the number of cities per player. "Player will be able to play on multiple servers,... : Modulus
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              That doesn't seem like too big of an issue. A region can have up to 16 cities, so if you stuck to the 10+... : thetangent
              • I agree, there are much more significant problems to be pissed off about. : Arcanum
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                That's if you play by yourself. I'm wondering of you join someone else's game, if that counts against you... : Modulus
                • That's 10 active servers per server. If you are no longer going to participate in a region you can "aband... : Grimmadog
          • The regions are tied to specific servers, so yes, if you change servers your cities won't be there. Howe... : Arcanum
        • I already have 1 city on every server, havent been able to stay connect for more than 30m. Even their que... : frush
        • I honestly think even the concept of region-based servers was a bad one. There's no real point or benefit... : dumb.
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        its not amazon's fault they designed the game poorly. : maulla
        • the more targets we have to throw rocks at the better : frush
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      Haha, so it's actually on EC2 and doesn't dynamically spin up instances as they need it? Who was it that ... : mancide
      • Probably a Maxis dev. : Danny5225
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      so neither the client nor server side is scalable? awesome. : Downforce
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        how much time for coding would it take for it to b e scalable? they cant afford to let this last more tha... : Unleashed
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          it's not something you can just hack in there. it has to be designed for it from the get-go : electroly
          • and by "it" i mean the entire server infrastructure has to be designed for it. every piece of the server... : electroly
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  Once I heard it was always online I decided to save my money, let those idiots see poor sales with zero p... : rubencamacho78
  • I hope they see that, but looks like too many people buying at anyway : MamiyaOtaru
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    lol, zero piracy. There is already a crack out. : jdcope
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      don't spread mis-information. The game is unavailable for pirates right now, any version YOU see is a fak... : rubencamacho78
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        You speak with a little too much authority on this subject. : AxeMan808
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          It's simple, the goober above is saying a bold lie, Simcity is NOT out for pirates, any version you see i... : rubencamacho78
          • Wasn't a lie. It was merely an observation from a few simple searches. So GFY. : jdcope
      • if he's wrong, it's only because you aren't thinking four dimensionally ;) In a couple weeks he'll be ri... : MamiyaOtaru
      • They said the same about the Assassin's Creed games. Still got cracked. : Mr. Goodwrench
  • Don't you know that as a PC gamer you are genetically predisposed to piracy? It's in your DNA man. : The Grolar Bear
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  I don't hate EA for making the online-only requirement, but it certainly meant I choose not to get it for... : Firefly1985
  • Agreed : Wiz74
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  have they started offering refunds yet? : rtrson
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    On their forum, they said they were offering refunds but then stopped: Original: “If you regretta... : aethyr
    • i recall the last EA game i played that was online only. a sci fi mmo called earth and beyond. EA was way... : rtrson
    • WTF that thread. What a shit thing to do. : Volatus32x
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  So, instead of being proactive based on pre-orders they are just reacting to bad press. Sounds about righ... : Fred Garvin
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    If EA marketing runs everything, then any press is good press. : RyDogg1
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      That's what one former employee said recently. Not the 'any press' part, but the at EA marketing runs eve... : LoioshDwaggie
      • No no no...they "challenge everything!" : rtrson
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        Total bullshit as a general statement. Speaking from current experience here. : Professer12
        • No, it's not. It's a direct quote from someone that worked directly with upper management at EA. : Fred Garvin
    • That's not true at all, the "any press" part. : Fred Garvin
• I still have yet to be able to play, I guess I need to give it more of a buffer between release and purch... : Lucien Irenicus
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  I think I'm done with EA. Mass Effect 3 locked me out from continuing my saved single-player campaign. N... : eyetyrant248
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    it worked for me : EvilDolemite
    • I tried to boot again, and told the game: "It worked for EvilDolemite" :) Same result, though... : eyetyrant248
• I love that there are so many great games nowadays, and so many kickstarters for the types of games we've... : pizzaput
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  they didnt learn shit from their stress tests : Unleashed
  • They learned a lot about shit, have you seen how they model the flow of poop through the sewers? To say t... : phate81
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  A little too late. Amazon just stopped selling it: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007VTVRFA?ie=UTF8&fo... : LoioshDwaggie
  • ^^^ : boring gegtik
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    * S I M C A N C L E ' D * : Goblin au
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      Sim cancered? Sim cankled? : cerealSAM2
      • Sim Shitty : phate81
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        +1 for reading that as Sim Cankled : DOG-Fenriz
        • The Bill Clinton Limo Game. : AxeMan808
      • * S P E L L I N G ' D * D: : Goblin au
  • You can still purchase the boxed copy. : DrWaffles
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    lol at 872 reviews for a 1 star average. : skinlab133
    • Reviewed by 919 customers. Played by 12. : slax0r
  • Hahaha, awesome. : Nitrium
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    lol hell hath no fury like a gamer scorned : [fry]
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      ^^ this. It never ceases to amaze me about how entitled gamers are. : cltcprd
      • Are you being serious? Expecting a game to work is being entitled? : JohnnyRey
      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk : LoioshDwaggie
      • ah you're one of "those" people : DrWaffles
      • Yeah, WTF, expecting something they paid for to not be badly broken? Terrible. Imagine if people applied ... : Arcanum
      • http://i1.minus.com/ibgwkxEQxZ4FV2.jpg : Godhatesfatpeople
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        Yeah, seriously. I bought a car the other day, and it broke and i couldn't drive it so i sucked it up ... : squigiliwams
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          Nah its more like i bought a car theres a defect on it and you have to wait for the garage to fix it : frush
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            Yep cars get recalled all the time. Shit breaks : cltcprd
            • So you'd be OK if the new car you just bought had to sit in a mechanic's garage for several days immediat... : Arcanum
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        If its still broken in a week, I'll eat my words. Pretty much any big online game is broken for the first... : cltcprd
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          SimCity is by far and away the most broken of any online-only game I've ever played. Diablo 3 was a smoot... : zerog83
          • World of Warcraft might have been worse, but "it's not as bad as the WoW launch" is faint praise indeed. : Arcanum
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          Out of curiosity, did you buy the game or you're just trolling for the lols? : Nitrium
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            I asked him on twitter, he's being serious. : Clay
            • <sigh> : Nitrium
        • If you sell a broken product you deserve to be bitched at. In fact, you deserve to be sued. It wouldn't s... : Danny5225
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        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2NTxSyb_uQ Yes it's the guy that does the Francis videos, but he has ... : dpgagnon
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          It's funny how he's ok with it having problems if it is labeled a MMO. I guess I don't need a label to re... : cltcprd
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            We've been trained with certain expectations with MMOs, which brings us to http://www.rockpapershotgun.co... : dpgagnon
            • I agree, but I think there is some ridiculousness to what is going on. The game won't be broken forever, ... : cltcprd
      • More like good business sense. People buying it, being unable to play it, and returning the game. Doesn't... : zehh
      • Usually people like to be able to use the product they just bought. : singlespace
      • LOLOLOL. Wanting to play a game you bought = entitled? : Fred Garvin
  • I don't get it. How can it be the winner of 26 pc game awards when it just came out? : Jikim
  • "Available Now." I guess that EA had a little chat with Amazon. : the archvile
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  Unless people return the game for a refund, this hoo-ha will change absoloutely nothing. As long as the ... : abrasion
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    That's only partly true. The metacritic score for users is absymal, as are reviews on say Amazon. They pr... : Maarten Goldstein
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      Yeah, this is bad. Really bad. Even worse than Diablo 3, which a lot of people didn't buy because of th... : boarder2
      • This isn't the first time EA's had an always-on singleplayer game fail; remember C&C4? http://www.shackn : the archvile
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      I'm under the impression that Diablo 3 had the same review pattern (horrible user reviews) and still sold... : creeping-death
      • I'm still convinced Diablo 3 sold more on the strength of the name and less the quality of the game. By t... : Mr. Goodwrench
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  Remember how EA listed a bunch of reasons why the game being online was a good thing for gamers? Things l... : Beady
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    Dont give a fuck about leaderboard/ achievements but removing cheetah speed is fuckin ridiculous : frush
    • I wasn't too upset with the servers. I know launches like this are always sketchy at the start, and when ... : desky
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  Still unplayable for me. I wish I had bought Tomb Raider instead. This is by far the worst online game la... : Rehevkor
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    Same. I think this is actually worse than Diablo 3 launch re: server unavailability. What a fantastic clu... : dumb.
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      I was there for the launch of Diablo 2 and 3. Both were clusterfucks, but they don't compare to this at a... : Rehevkor
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        I can only get a 50% refund, so I guess I'll hang on to it. The only thing worse than giving EA $60 for a... : Rehevkor
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          lol wat? Is this their new policy? Earlier they were just arbitrarily giving some people refunds and not ... : aethyr
          • Also, more people are having luck getting refunds by calling 866-543-5435 . : aethyr
      • Diablo 2 at least had singleplayer. : Turd Ferguson
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      never had this much difficulty getting into d3. and at least diablo had a proper queue system, ea's queue... : Unleashed
      • hey atleast you can install it, mine has been "processing a large file" for 5 hours. : imperator
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        hey atleast you can install it, mine has been "processing a large file" for 5 hours. : imperator
        • That's the download. Origin downloads like a 230MB installer which then grabs the rest. : pyide
    • I never had issue with the Diablo 3 servers even at launch. Because the damn game wouldn't install for th... : Turd Ferguson
  • Anyone remember the Star Wars Galaxy launch? I'm pretty sure that was worse, but this certainly ranks up ... : phate81
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  yeah let us all blame EA and maxis and NOT thepiratebay : Cigarette Paper
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    because pirate bay invented pirating games! : Clay
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      you know exaclty what I mean. GTFO : Cigarette Paper
      • Are those the only two options in your world, it's either EA's always-connected DRM or Piracy? I kinda l... : LoioshDwaggie
      • I hope you don't get perma'd : Goblin au
  • The Pirate Bay is not responsible for legitimate purchasers being unable to get into this game. : AxeMan808
  • No, I blame you. : Mr. Goodwrench
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  How can you put so much money into developing and promoting a game and then shit the bed with server capa... : ninjase
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    how can you pirate games for years and years and then get pissed when companies start cracking down and h... : Cigarette Paper
    • You are making an equivalence that does not exist. : LoioshDwaggie
    • You might have a point if 6 of the top 15 best selling PC games title's didn't have the word "SIM" in it. : Clay
    • You're just pissed you can't pirate the game yet. : at0micgarden
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      well ninjase? waiting for an explanation here! : Sapiens
      • Yeah, it's all his fault, what a jerk. : WadeMcLain
    • You're a special snowflake gently floating along in the shitstorm that is The Chatty. : Volatus32x
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      https://dl.dropbox.com/u/57328/spergcon2.gif : guido anchovy
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        oh nice, i bet you feel real big using people with mental handicaps as a form of insult. : Cigarette Paper
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          You could reply to my point above. : LoioshDwaggie
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            im sorry but I dont see where you actually made one : Cigarette Paper
            • It's right here: http://www.shacknews.com/chatty?id=29805062#item_29805062 You made a false equivalence.... : LoioshDwaggie
        • As someone WITH Asperger's Syndrome, I approve of this SPERGCON 2 declaration. Publishers didn't HAVE ... : the archvile
    • Jumping on this 'Huh?' shackpile. Not quite seeing the connection there, buddy. : Goblin au
    • ninjase's post which you replied to isn't so much calling out always on DRM as it is calling out always o... : MamiyaOtaru
    • so are you just some EA shill who created an account here to try and justify this clusterfuck? : theWhite
    • What are you talking about? This has nothing to do with pirating and everything to do with being woefully... : ninjase
    • you're the worst : AllYourBase
  • Even if this was on EC2, EA's attitude toward infrastructure is to have as little of it as possible. Thi... : the archvile
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  Nice response here http://twitter.com/ChrisWarcraft/status/309792266627735553/photo/1 : node
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    Nice response... but why did he take a photo rather than a screenshot? : Goblin au
    • Were the screenshot servers down too? : Goblin au
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    That's the kicker for the Minnesota Vikings, right? : LoioshDwaggie
    • Punter, but yea : ninjase
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  What I don't get is if the game does computations on their servers requiring always online, why does it... : FirstPersonCooter
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    if the computations are server side, would that mean that the city size is due to server limitations, not... : feek
    • somebody answer my question dammit : feek
    • I'm pretty sure the city computations are primarily client-side. It's probably the regional computations... : Arcanum
  • My guess is it's neither 100% on either side, but some split. : givemesnacks
  • It's probably just synching the game state every x amount of minutes of in-game time. : Beady
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  EU West 3 just went up. Seemed fast(?) to me. Will play on it tomorrow. : Bamtan
  • I just bought, downloaded and was able to play in about an hour. Seems fast for me as well. : pandastrong
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  More servers are not going to fix code. : RuffasBluetain
  • My experience tonight is identical to the previous two nights. Unable to do anything : rtrson
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    What if you teach them how to program?? : ninjase
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      yeah well maybe if you didn't pirate everything we wouldn't have this problem in the first place! : Sapiens
      • I got 0-day c++ objectz : ninjase
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  http://www.p4rgaming.com/?p=1473 "EA Hires Hundreds of Chinese Spammers to Post Positively About SimCi... : Vogerl
  • Wow, this reads like The Onion. : jdcope