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  YES this is amazing. this is what i want. microsoft please follow suit. : EvilDolemite
  • It's almost guaranteed they will, although I'd be shocked if they're often cheaper. Question is, can we g... : node
• Good that Nintendo and Sony are following this whole digital wave. Microsoft, come on bros! : MetaSaval
• I'm Commander Shephard, and Sony is quickly becoming my favorite console maker on the Citadel : Entity
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  WHO NEEDS STEAMBOX NOWWWWWW No, seriously, this is cool and I'm really liking how the PS4 is turning o... : freakynipples69
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    Also, I hope this means we'll get regular sales too. : freakynipples69
    • i would be very surprised if they do sales anything like steam does. maybe once in awhile, but it will p... : vitek r
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  This is pretty cool. Will this kind of stuff eventually kill the need for pre-order bonus type stuff? I h... : Chipwarrior
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    this will probably encourage it. retailers will need to get people into their stores and will offer more... : EvilDolemite
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      Pre-order bonuses are arranged with the publisher though, so I would assume publishers wouldn't do this u... : Vincent Grayson
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        Having retailers do your marketing for you is a good incentive. : master_disaster_17
        • What about selling games : doomed
  • no, its better to get money sooner than later. : Lucy Labia
• That's pretty cool : MercFox1
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  Roughly how many GB do games like Homefront or LittleBigPlanet or Uncharted 3 take up on a Bluray disc? ... : MatthewPhillips
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    Do you use Steam? : freakynipples69
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      It's a good question. I'm sure most of us use Steam...but the drive that has my Steam games on it is 2 TB... : Vincent Grayson
      • 250GB and 500GB models would more then suffice for most. : freakynipples69
      • Sony is very open, including instructions in the manual, about letting you upgrade your drives. I don't s... : pigz
      • The nice thing about Sony (and I hope they keep it up) is the ability to put your own drive in there. Tha... : Entity
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        Honestly I only have the games I'm currently played installed on Steam. I just delete the rest. My hard-d... : zehh
        • I keep a few on there, games like TF2 that download every day but I don't really play anymore get deleted... : one random winner
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          That would make me crazy. I like being to run any of my games whenever I want...so I just have everything... : Vincent Grayson
          • So do I which is why I just download them again when I want to play them. It doesn't take that long, rea... : Herman Toothrot
          • Step 1: Get a 256GB SSD Step 2: Create backups of every game and save them onto your 2TB HDD Step 3: In... : mrseldowski
          • I don't do it becaues I need to. If it was a real problem I'd have transferred steam to another partition... : zehh
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      I used Steam to grab Thirty Flights Of Lovin' (Idle Thumbs kickstarter) but before that haven't used it m... : MatthewPhillips
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        If you used it more often you'd know it's no big deal. Some of us have 300+ games in our Steam libraries,... : pyide
        • I'm sure you can, but I doubt they will use the 3.5" form factor, which means we're more limited until or... : Endymion_
  • probably in the 10-20 GB range. at least of the few that i've downloaded through PSN : RikiTiki2
  • Some of the reasons games on the PS3 are so bloated is because duplicating data is one way around the abo... : Beady
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    Most games don't take up 25GB, and at least in 2011 the attach rate on PS3 was < 9 games per console: ... : aethyr
    • Yeah, but now that every PS+ user has probably 100+ GB in free games.... : Vincent Grayson
• This is honestly the most exciting/important bit about PS4 for me so far. I'm happy about what seems like... : ramshot
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  I was thinking about this the other day. I'm all for this and I have wanted to be able to Steam-ify my c... : Begawkiness
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    This also makes it tougher to bring a game to a friend's house to play, hmm : Begawkiness
    • And that's why they don't care about blocking used games. They are going to teach users they can get ever... : doomed
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  So... can you re-sell or trade downloaded games? : cerealSAM2
  • Only in Europe. : one random winner
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  It will only take 60 days to download : segmentation fault
  • Apparently the game download as you play (like Guild wars 1). Basically you have an initial download for ... : mnok
• I like this: you can download your PS4 titles, OR you can have a fully offline PS4 and play from physical... : the archvile
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  I hope they allow you to upgrade the PS4 hardware. I would RAID 0 some of the new seagate barracudas. : Zero Hoki
  • I'd stripe SSDs if I could. : one random winner
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  Haha, I love the hypocrisy in this thread... OMG IF SONY BANS USED GAME SALES, I WILL BOYCOTT THEIR CO : mancide
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    I don't see the first statement anywhere in this thread, and I certainly don't see it together with the s... : daedraug
    • i'm not even seeing the hypocrisy in those two statements : qwpeoriu
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      Digital games cannot be resold, thus eliminating used games. : Vincent Grayson
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        It doesn't eliminate all used games though, like eliminating all used games would do. : Junktown
        • Very true. It's still too early to go full-digital. : Vincent Grayson
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          No, but it makes people more comfortable with the thought of a game as a service, and not a physical thin... : mancide
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            I dunno, man. I kind of think you're just making these people and opinions up. : Junktown
            • Did you not see the ps4 threads before the ps4 announcement? the one that was talking about used games n... : daroach1414
            • No I have been watching this issue like a hawk here and his posts are pretty accurate. Many many people ... : Lucy Labia
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            I hope you're at least ready to link to posts by the same person expressing both those things, you are s... : daedraug
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              Yeah. I'm very much in favor of used games, and I think the only console games I've purchased digitally h... : Vincent Grayson
              • I buy digital, I buy used as well. I'm just pointing out how these two options are at odds with each-othe... : mancide
          • You are so weird. : Conan
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            Did you ever stop to think that maybe, just maybe, the people that want to be able to sell used games are... : noxiousgg
            • They are probably not entirely the same group, but I'd be shocked if there was not any overlap (heck, mys... : mancide
          • Who said those are the same people? I can't care less about used games (I never buy them), but being d... : zehh
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    I was kinda confused by the anger at not being able to play used games. It makes sense that we're moving ... : frenziedbadger
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      I think the concern is that if I buy a game on a disc, I should be able to do whatever I want with that d... : Vincent Grayson
      • I was actually a little surprised when I saw that the PS4 still has a disc drive. This will probably be t... : frenziedbadger
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        it'll probably be some kind of either/or deal - buy a disc that isn't downloadable but is resellable, or ... : xsoulbrothax
        • ooh, and if they had the non-resellable download editions being slightly cheaper.. that'd be slick : xsoulbrothax
  • Choice is good. : jtthe2nd
  • That means only one person amongst your group of friends will need to buy the game for all of you to play... : Ellissd
  • I think the biggest thing is how often they will have sales on games online. I hated Steam when it was a... : deadhorse
  • Lol! Like it on Facebook and give 1+ points *high five* : commanderxp90
• Fuck. Yes. I've wanted this for a while. http://www.shacknews.com/article/66426/morning-discussion?id=24... : zehh
• Holy shit that PS4 seems to get better at every news : HisKillSkill
• They are doing everything right so far with the PS4. It's looking very good so far. : razlebol
• Ps4 overall sounds like it will be a winner : dealie
• Useless for a money pincher like me. I only buy a game after they drop in price and then I sell it, putti... : Eric2025
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  it will be interesting to see if they stick to that for game launches or there's a delay there in getting... : thebigbeefsandwich
  • They've had Day 1 releases on major titles for quite a while now. : Vincent Grayson
  • What would the benefit be to delaying any digital releases? I don't think retailers have the bargaining p... : freshyk
• easy choice. gets rid of used games. more revenue to sony as well since bandwidth cost < b&m store cut ... : Chandler55
• Cool. I just hope they make it user friendly and efficient. No more of the batty file structuring of th... : vitek r
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  omg omg omg omg <3 DEATH TO PHYSICAL MEDIA : multisync
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    DEATH TO GAMESTOP! : jimvolk
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      and gamefly : Chandler55
      • lololol. Given that you're a 5-figure poster I'm going to assume the irony of posting this on a gamefly o... : Grape Flavor
    • I declare fatwa on used games and needless accessories that cost an asston. : Wolfanoz
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  I am going to ask PS4 to marry me. : smackpiece
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    What happens when the PS5 comes out? : Volatus32x
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      The PS4 will get the games in the divorce and standbye power till the sequels are out. : one random winner
      • hahaha : sogelegos
    • I will then ask PS4 if it knows about ménage à trois... : smackpiece
    • it would have lasted longer than most marriages : CyCo_PL
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  If they declare the size of the download without having to buy it then Sony wins. : Cliffzorz
  • Yeah, that would be important. I can't think of any good reason not to. : Grape Flavor
• I'm buying one of these at launch likely. : Pneum0
• Awesome. I mentioned this already but after putting a SSD in my PS3 and seeing the performance improveme... : cetra00
• Article doesn't say, but I wonder if digital versions will be available on release day. I hope so, but I... : MaxPete82
• I wonder if they will have a speed test app on the system. Throughput and speed is going to be a big deal... : haiku
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  Game Stop just shit their pants. : g.lee
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    And they're probably so pissed at Sony : zehh
    • Sure, but what are they going to do? Boycott the PS4? GameStop is fucked. : Grape Flavor
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    They've been known it's coming... : mystikal
    • They've had to have known it's been a long time coming. ** too late to type properly. : mystikal
• this makes sense. i had a feeling they didnt care about used games because they are moving to digital dis... : maulla
• If MS doesnt offer the same thing, this feature alone will make me choose the PS4 over the new Xbox. : theWhite
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  You can do this now with the Wii U. : bozer
  • Very true. That was a good forward thinking decision by Nintendo. I think DD for full-size games will be ... : Grape Flavor