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  Exactly the rumored specs of the X720 that we saw a while ago. That would be awkward :) : guigr
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    Yeah, even Digital Foundry says that the two systems will be similar, minus RAM pretty much. : AndrewYoon
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      I heard they are backwards compatible and MS made the OS for Sony... I kid :) be crazy if they where both : valcan_s
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        Basically it would kick Nintendo out of the console market. 150M+ consoles using the same architecture wi... : guigr
        • No kidding ^^^^ be crazy it happened you never know. : valcan_s
      • So the Xbox vs. playstation would just become a BR-Z vs FR-S comparison. Rebadging ftw. : DinK
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  It will support 4K and come with composite cables. : pgharavi
  • and a 120 GB HD : jimvolk
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  The 7970M performs marginally slower than the desktop hd7850, which is almost exactly the same speed as t... : ajvitaly
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    I don't think we'll get the 7970M in next-gen consoles. High power usage, heat, price, and lower yields a... : TrptJim
    • A die shrink and some disabled SIMDs could take care of that issue, and given that the CPU will barely be... : one random winner
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  AMD? Pffffft fuck that. : Do_Or_Die
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    These consoles are AMD's meal ticket. : SunnyTelight
    • Agreed, thank fuck too! : abrasion
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    AMD is fine for graphics but if that processor is just a bulldozer based cpu at 1.6GHz it would be very l... : spammehardo
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      Sounds like it's closer to Jaguar, which are cores designed for entry level laptop/tablet market. A lot ... : one random winner
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        But we don't know how Jaguar proforms. : Fenring42
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          Jaguar is a replacement for bobcat, which performs pretty horribly, and official releases says somewhere ... : one random winner
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            But with a custom piece of hardware and a custom OS they could design games to be highly multi threaded a... : Gwyndion
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              when did i hear this before? a certain playstation... 3? : bradsh
              • True... all the Cell bullshit they put out ahead of the PS3 was ridiculous. Devs are supposedly still tr... : Gwyndion
  • Sony understood that slower CPU+beefy CG works better than spending all their money on Cell². : guigr
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    oddly enough, the xbox 360 uses an AMD GPU. I guarantee that the 7970m in a console will be sick....it i... : creeping-death
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      GPU is #1, this will own, the slower clocks eh I don't think it will matter to tell you the truth(ways ar... : valcan_s
      • Calm down valcan_s, I had to parse that 3 times before I understood what you were trying to say. : one random winner
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        In regards to cpu clock wouldn't these chips also come with the turbocore feature amd uses that is simila... : ant_hillbilly
        • Not in a closed system where you know exactly how much processing power you will have available at any gi... : cetra00
      • I bet this will push CPU's in PC's towards higher cores. i3's and i5's might age quickly after these con... : Gwyndion
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    Herp derp, someone doesn't know what's inside the 360! : abrasion
    • I think he means CPU : Fenring42
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  Biggest change will be architecture, I wonder if that means classic Xbox games will show up as DL titles?... : one random winner
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    hardly a surprise re:Wii U power. They set themselves up perfectly to get screwed again in the same way a... : derelict515
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      It's actually a better position than where they were at with the Wii (which was more like 1/5-1/6th the p... : one random winner
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        Wii U takes up 1 GB of its 2GB of memory. Hardly a small footprint... and still takes freaking forever ... : Dimmona
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          Nintendo seems to thinkt hey can fix the OS slowness; we'll see. In game it seems perfectly comparable to... : Conan
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            Have they given any updates/ETA on improvements? : Dimmona
            • No ETA, just comments from Iwata saying they are working on it. : Conan
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          Yeah, and the article claims Durango should have a 3GB OS footprint, how the hell does Sony get away with... : one random winner
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            Durango is the Microsoft console... : abrasion
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              Yes? I meant how does Sony get away with a 512MB OS footprint with a screen in the controller and its co... : one random winner
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                Now that I can agree with, especially seeing the PS3 was originally the memory hog for the OS vs 360. : abrasion
                • It wasn't (isn't) so much that the PS3 OS is a memory hog; rather, the PS3 simply has half the RAM of the... : ATimson
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                Sony are not planning to have the OS do much, I guess. Perhaps MS are aiming to do always-on kinect2, plu... : jcupitt
                • i'm pretty sure it's been stated that it will have multitasking, yeah. obviously it will regardless : feek
              • It doesn't make me suspicious, so much as thinking they might not be planning a lot for the OS. It would... : DinK
          • I'm pretty sure not much in the way of WiiU system resources goes to running the tablet. : timmie
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    DDR3 is significantly slower compared to GDDR5 but if it has more memory it might not make a difference : Shadowdane
    • The reports generally say 4gb in Orbos, 6-8 + SRAM in Xbox : Fenring42
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  That's a sudden and surprising change - if true the Xbox would clearly be the superior purchase. : abrasion
  • i guess if all you're buying it for is specs. i'm waiting to see what launch titles are coming as well a... : EvilDolemite
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    Why exactly? That seems more than honest to me even if I won't buy a next gen console : guigr
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      The Neogaf rumours implied PS4 = 4gb very fast ram and CPU at 3ghz or something and the MS console is 1.6... : abrasion
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        lol neogaf...so it must be true!!!111 : willardjuice
        • the specs in the digitalfoundry article were posted there weeks ago. but then a bunch of other crap was t... : Shai-Tan
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    these specs don't correlate with PC performance directly since they don't have the massive overhead of Wi... : grendel
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      Not only do I more than know that, I'm not sure what your point is dude? I'm saying these PS4 specs are q... : abrasion
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        relax, abrasion. there are no SHOTS FIRED here. : grendel
        • my point was that specs are meaningless without software, and as you well know MS has failed to come up w... : grendel
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      Isn't the overhead in term of 3D rendering very limited? : guigr
      • It can be large, I remember Carmack complaining about it: http://www.videogamer.com/xbox360/rage/news/car... : jcupitt
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    Amd cpu and Amd gpu is better then Amd cpu and and Amd gpu? : Teleporting Muffins
    • http://www.shacknews.com/chatty?id=29551471#item_29551471 : abrasion
    • The Xbox is rumored to have an IBM CPU. : DeadOfKnight
  • By superior purchase you mean you think it has more power? : doctorbfunk
  • Don't forget that the PS3 is region free and very lax about having multiple accounts for different region... : eyetyrant248
• if it is indeed 7970m, this is VERY good news. 7970m is a beast of a mobile chip. : creeping-death
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  I'm liking the focus on efficiency that seems to be coming from both Microsoft and Sony this time around.... : cetra00
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    PS3 slim is whisper-quiet : EvilDolemite
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      An X360 running games from HDD is also very quiet. I've got no gripes about the noise they make, unless t... : Entity
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        first-gen 360 was super noisy both with a disc in and without. but, yeah, the later models and slim are ... : EvilDolemite
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          My first gen barely made any noise. I guess I was lucky. : Halen
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            very, my first gen 360 and ps3 were loud as shit, especially the 360 : qwpeoriu
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              My first gen 360 is insanely loud. I took it apart a month ago and there was no dust inside. I guess i... : Lucy Labia
              • Go check Ebay for OEM replacement fans. Ask any sellers if they can send you Nidec-branded OEM fans. They... : TrptJim
        • The first-gen 360s came with one of three different fans: nidec, sunon, and delta. The first one is whisp... : TrptJim
      • Yeah that cooling did a great job for the 360. There is a compromise between cost and operation, and unfo... : ryuuseki
      • Not really. It's still significantly louder than the PS3 or WiiU, and generates twice as much heat as b... : Dimmona
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  Only 1.6ghz? That's not next-gen at all. Sarcasm : Derringer
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    Not even going to look at them unless they have like 4096-bit graphics. : cetra00
    • Aiming low I see. : Derringer
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  Will RoHS fuck us again this time too? Only time will tell! : abrasion
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    You can't blame piss-poor design on RoHS. : Wombat Woo
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      At the time the 360 came out RoHS was just swinging in to full motion, if that sucker had lead, we'd have... : abrasion
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        Perhaps, but the engineers/designers involved with the project should have known what they were dealing w... : Wombat Woo
        • http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9026340/Xbox_360_red_ring_of_death_costs_Microsoft_more_than_1B : feek
  • Manufacturers have worked around the issues by now. : Freon
• You know whats really gonna drive me to buy a new gen systems is the games and the price not the specs. I... : HellHasNoFury
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  It all comes down to the feature set and exclusive titles. Specs mean less for these machines than ever. : Firefly1985
  • Bingo : pyide
  • services : derelict515
  • I wouldn't say that, not by any means. But I can agree it's about the games and extra stuff, too. T... : wytefang
• sounds like it might have some dedicated physics hardware, i really hope both the ps4 and nextbox have so... : qwpeoriu
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  Not being backwards compatible is a huge mistake. So when PS3's are no longer made that means all the dig... : Drossvirex
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    luckily my PS3 doesnt explode the day PS4 is announced. : radula
    • :( Not relevant. : Drossvirex
• Clearly next console won't be high end PCs. The Wii U won't be as far as the Wii was with the 36/PS3. Tha... : Ex-Morpheus
• Clearly next console won't be high end PCs. The Wii U won't be as far as the Wii was with the 36/PS3. Tha... : Ex-Morpheus
• I've liked my PS3 a lot (and I'm not much of a console fan, really). I'm looking forward to this new one... : wytefang
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  I think right now is the begining of the end for "console" gaming. The next gen is pc hooked up to hdtv. ... : godm0de
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    Not until developers/publishers actually let us own our PC games, like in the old days or like with conso... : ATimson
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      streaming games is whats coming... look at sonys acquisitions and the movement of the steam setup and "Bi... : Oninusar
      • streaming tech will always suck due to physics. youll have to have a large broadband pipe with a gaming d... : bradsh
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  Here's a thought. Because it seems that AMD hardware will be used in all three consoles, that 'should' pu... : djdisco
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    Eh, I'm not thrilled that its all AMD hardware. From a development standpoint, nvidia/intel are always o... : dCoosh
    • i dont know of any 7 year old games that wouldnt be considered obsolete and somehow games come out for a ... : logan
  • If that were true why didn't it work out that way this gen? With AMD GPU's in both the 360 and the Wii? ... : one random winner