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  you know what's weird? hearing free-to-play immediately turns me off to games. and i know i'm being unr... : EvilDolemite
  • Me too. :( I hate the F2P model. : Rice-Rocketeer
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    I'd like a hybrid system where you can play for free with a limited selection of the items, like a demo, ... : SockMonkeh
    • This. As soon as a I see f2p I'm out. At that point the developer is not delivering a full game to me an... : Lucy Labia
  • Yeeeeup. : Creepin_Jeezus
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    F2P ends up costing more to get the same content than most $60 games. : ajvitaly
    • planetside 2 easily has as much content (for free) than many $60 games : crummynz
    • I have not paid a dime for League Of Legends or TF2 (I guess you can count the Orange Box purchase though... : AxeMan808
  • I sometimes do, but Tribes was pretty solid as is Dota 2 but a lot of times I'd rather just have the ... : FreshwaterAU
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    Videogames used to be about creating a simulated world, and letting you embody a character in that world. : PenicillinX57
    • This is actually an aecellent summary of my feelings towards F2P. : Creepin_Jeezus
    • Counter-Strike had the per-level economy and currency, but it didn't persist through level changes, and w... : the archvile
    • I think this is what is turning me off to games with age. : Wolfanoz
  • Same, I just don't like it :( : valcan_s
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    You're being silly. It's just shareware online. : geedeck
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      Shareware had an agreed-upon minimum of free content (which some developers skimped on even back in the d... : the archvile
      • Ryan Davis put the fundamental problem into a nice concise summary: "It's a question of, 'How much artif... : the archvile
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        What was the agreed upon minimum? : crummynz
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          There wasn't a hard number, but it was a sort of ecosystem that balanced itself out quickly. I remember ... : the archvile
          • But those weren't rules and you know it. They were gentleman's agreements. There was no Grand Wizard of S... : geedeck
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            Isn't that exactly the kind of ecosystem that is balancing itself out now with F2P? : crummynz
            • I think that it's balancing out at a slower rate, but as geedeck points out, there's a cutthroat submarke... : the archvile
  • They will do what the markets dictate. Take for example radio, once studies showed when a radio station k... : dookiebot
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    I hope someone is working on a website that breaks down F2P economies and gives analysis on bang for the ... : midgetherder
    • TL:DR - F2P analysis paralysis stops me from buying anything. : midgetherder
    • One of the big deals about free to play is that it makes it extremely hard for consumers to both track ho... : terath
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    F2P is just a way for developers to say the full game will cost a lot more than what the average game is ... : Nighteyes
    • I think my problem is that it totally capitalizes on the fact that so many of us don't have as much time ... : Rice-Rocketeer
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      EA CEO John Riccitiello back in January 2011: "We have people who are giving us $5,000 in a month to play... : the archvile
      • The same thing happens with most games built around microtransactions. A small percentage of people pay f... : Serpico74
  • Yup, same here : sanchez
  • Planetside 2 is the first F2P game that I've actually played for a significant portion of time. That sai... : boarder2
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    I'm wondering what (if any) free-to-play games you've been playing to make that statement. Tribes Ascend,... : evildanish
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      Yeah, I'm having a hard time thinking of F2P games that withhold vital content behind paywalls. All the o... : Serpico74
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        F2P SWTOR is full of paywall'ish stuff isn't it? : Toraz Chryx
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          I don't know, is it? My experience with F2P is in competitive multiplayer games. Are some areas pay-to-ac... : Serpico74
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            http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/11/21/star-wars-the-old-republic-goes-free-to-play-but-not-too-... : Toraz Chryx
            • Oh, well that sucks. Pay-to-sprint, haha. Either way, the execution seems to be the problem, not the c... : Serpico74
  • I used to feel this way but I turned around about the time Tribes came out. Then Planetside 2, MWO... no... : Gwyndion
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    I think the F2P model should be like this: Think what a game retails for, 50, 60 bucks or whatever. If yo... : jane911
    • Why do you need EVERYTHING? You have to figure that a lot of people would be freeloaders either because t... : StealthHawk
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    I disagree, games like LoL and DOTA 2 are showing how FTP can grow an audience much better than if it was : Serpico74
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      F2P also does an end-run around the piracy issue. People who would pirate the game don't have to pay a di... : Serpico74
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        I'm not sure how much money they're losing from people averse to piracy but reluctant to buy. With all th... : StealthHawk
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          Doesn't matter, in the end the idea of crippling usability of a product to stem pirates (which doesn't wo : Serpico74
          • What do you mean? F2P games generally require internet connectivity, right? This is the same standard DRM... : StealthHawk
  • My sentiments exactly. It ends up costing more in the long run for the full experience. : silverback1138
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    Between Planetside 2, Tribes Ascend, and Super Monday Night Combat, I've spent less than $25 and have had... : jermm
    • Tribes Ascend is my GOTY.cx this year. I love it sooo fucking much. : Vorlonesque
  • Too true. : Kerranger
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  Don't they already have a F2P shooter on the Crysis engine coming out? : crummynz
  • Warface. http://www.crytek.com/games/warface/overview : FesterBlatz
• Take the goddamn aliens out and look at FarCry 3 and that will make it more accessible. : Snipergen
• "More accessible" is like the term of death for video games these past couple years. : sreyes22
• I love Crysis.. all of it. On Delta : Pneum0
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  As someone who has been lambasted on the shack for years when commenting against piracy- enjoy your new b... : gnoleb
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    Lambasted here for commenting AGAINST piracy? I must have been on vacation when that occurred. : AxeMan808
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      Maybe he was going all full-on sperg lord and assuming that people who don't like DRM are pirates or some... : Vorlonesque
      • Ok...after doing a search I think I understand where he's coming from and why he gets the response he doe... : Vorlonesque
• If that means more players and maybe them actually giving a damn enough to actually fucking do something ... : pyide
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  Here's an excellent article on how games built upon microtransactions make for more fun and better suppor... : Serpico74
  • Money quote: "Not only that, but the business model (F2P/microtransaction) actually forces the publisher : Serpico74
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  They did that with one of the FEAR games. How did that turn out? : tw3kr
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    They did? I have never seen this. I assume FEAR 3? Because the others never went F2P. : Halen
    • The original's multiplayer mode was released as a free stand-alone, F.E.A.R. Combat or something like tha... : gzubluck
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  whenever I hear Free 2 Play, I immediatly assume it's a shitty pay per win game. therefore, i'll never pl... : dosse91214
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    There should be a Shack script that does this to every mention of F2P: "F2P P2W" : Marrbe
    • there's a lot of synonyms to cover, you'd need things like paytowinium for freemium. : nem00
• if only they do that for Crysis 1, it was absolutely the best among them all : hanged_man