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    Andrew Yoon posted a new article, Wii U CPU is a 'bottleneck,' Digital Foundry concludes.

    Wii U is theoretically improved over the Xbox 360, equipped with "an improved, more modern AMD Radeon graphics core, twice as much RAM available to developers." However, a look at the Wii U version of Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 shows that there may be one weak link in the console's design: the CPU.
    Nov 26, 2012 2:15pm PST
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    Andrew Yoon posted a new article, Wii U CPU is a 'bottleneck,' Digital Foundry concludes.

    Wii U is theoretically improved over the Xbox 360, equipped with "an improved, more modern AMD Radeon graphics core, twice as much RAM available to developers." However, a look at the Wii U version of Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 shows that there may be one weak link in the console's design: the CPU. : ShacknewsThis person is cool!

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      I don't the performance of one port is enough evidence to support this claim. COD is probably poorly opti... : EnhancedInterrogator
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        Disney Epic Mickey 2 and Batman also are terrible FPS wise on the WiiU. Batman is using the Unreal Engine... : pancake humper
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          They're friggin ports. Many ports don't run well on PS3 either, and I'm pretty sure the PS3 is technicall... : EnhancedInterrogator
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            So a port of an old game running on old tech (that runs on iOS) on the first of the 'next gen' systems sh... : pancake humper
            • We've also had a few shackers here who own Epic Mickey say they didn't see the fps issues that Giant Bomb... : ConanThis person is cool!
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              I don't know, plenty of PC ports are really crappy and have terrible performance on a system 10x as power... : deadearth
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                Saint's Row 2 comes to mind on the PC. : DerringerThis person is cool!
                • The how about Dark Soul's for PC that was ported from Xbox/PS3 due to user petitions. Can't wait to see ... : Icebergg
                • Or GTAIV or Halo, good lord those were terrible in the beginning. : ChodThis person is cool!
            • There's talk about firmware updates to help with that, apparently the CPU is spending too much time on th... : one random winner
            • It shouldn't but it happens. ZOE HD Collection is a recent example. : My DocumentsThis person is cool!
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        They went with IBM again to maintain backwards compatibility right? : thecatinthehat
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          Everyone uses something derived of IBM power PC right now. : ConanThis person is cool!
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            Rumor is that the next gen of Xbox and Playstation might make a play for "standard" low-cost x64 processo... : qsylvr
            • True, but it is also true that the Xbox 360, PS3, Wii and Wii U all use some kind of IBM PPC CPU. : Kristian Joensen
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      Did people really expect this system to be that much more powerful than current gen, if at all? : technotica
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        More powerful than systems that came out seven years ago? Yeah, I kinda did. : azshackThis person is cool!
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          Which in some ways it is. The problem is people expecting large leaps which just is not going to happen w... : Evil Benius
          • It's annoying for sure though, and as an owner I would like multi-platform releases to be approximately a... : one random winner
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        RuskiSnajper : rodneystubbs
        • Wonder what happened to that guy. : OutlawSundown
        • I MISS YOU RUSKI!!! : UberKalden
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        Powerful or not, if it's one thing I learned from the Wii is that you can have shitty 480p graphics but y... : DerringerThis person is cool!
        • I'm sure the next Zelda, Metroid, and 3D Mario will look fantastic. Here's hoping MH4 comes to the Wii U... : one random winner
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      Shacknews is clearly trolling the Wii-U. This needs to stop. : Thornfist
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        This is as close to calling out a mod as I've seen in a while. Smart move. : ConanThis person is cool!
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          It was also sarcasm referring to the backlash against anything negative I've said about the Wii. But wha... : Thornfist
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            It wasn't because you said something about the Wii. : ConanThis person is cool!
            • Hey, I told your mom I was sorry. : Thornfist
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          It's just not the Wii U. They've "reported" that Guild Wars "game's security has been compromised" becau... : capt trippsThis person is cool!
          • Haha that was so bad : armybobThis person is cool!
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          C0nan? : CrustaRThis person is cool!
          • From earlier that day: http://www.shacknews.com/chatty?id=29264871#item_29264871 : ConanThis person is cool!
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      The CPU is definitely weak. Without going into NDA'd details, Nintendo made some smart design choices for... : qsylvr
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        What do you do that you know all of this? Game dev? : h o s t i l e
        • Yes, he's a game dev. : LoioshDwaggieThis person is cool!
        • Oh he is a brick mason. : Lucy LabiaThis person is cool!
      • Very interesting thanks : megarust32This person is cool!
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        So essentially that's why the ports have had issues? : geedeckThis person is cool!
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          I'd imagine a proper port that takes advantage of the graphics card and advanced shaders would require le... : capt trippsThis person is cool!
          • Not a bad statement for speculation. Time will tell thought right? If I had access to a dev kit I could... : morsxcessum
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          3rd party launch titles are almost always pretty rough. If you didn't have a lot of time to spend with th... : qsylvr
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            3rd party games next year will all still be 360/ps3 titles that have been in development for quite some t... : dopefishThis person is cool!
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              Agreed, if the 720/PS4 do go x86 for next gen they'll have a lot of issues too I'm sure (at least, as far... : one random winner
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                Why? X86 compilers are already much more optimized than almost everything else. : h0cakeThis person is cool!
                • I assume whatever they had written for PowerPC prior to figuring that out (which would've likely been som... : one random winner
              • tho x86 seems bad because it would only lead to even more proliferation of pc gaming. but problem is ... : flanker33
      • :( : pancake humper
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        Wow, how does a new game system CPU not have SIMD in 2012? I'm pretty sure my phone has SIMD instructions... : dfay
        • Because they are stupid and think they can dictate what the world wants? WRONG The Wii U should have b... : et72
      • Oh shit, facts. : LoioshDwaggieThis person is cool!
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        so what were the smart design choices? : qwpeoriuThis person is cool!
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          Out of order execution / instruction reordering with register renaming. And proper store-forwarding. Yay ... : qsylvr
          • Man, that's some very good technical insight that is so scarce to come around. Thanks a lot! : shirif
          • interesting, thanks a lot! : qwpeoriuThis person is cool!
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        I've heard other devs talk about the GPU making up for the CPU when games are designed for it. Like, t... : DerringerThis person is cool!
        • Traditionally the cpu did everything, cause there were no gpus. Then they were invented and more and more... : xxx2xxx
        • This should be more true than most previous times because of the GPGPU enhancements (supposedly) availabl... : one random winner
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        So devs vs. the longevity of this console = SOL other than Nintendo exclusives. : WolfanozThis person is cool!
        • That's how their last few consoles have been anyhow. : melkoreThis person is cool!
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      Hopefully the price drops before they put out a HD Zelda, although they don't make em like they used to a... : BoxelderThis person is cool!
      • As with any launch there's gonna be a learning curve. All the doom and gloom over performance issues is u... : kaijuseijin
      • I'm sure it'll drop in 2014, I think they want to make as much money as they can next year and while some... : one random winner
    • You seriously used a PORT as the basis of this article? This is a PC gaming site primarily, whether Gamef... : pinion120
    • the equivilent of putting a GTX620 on a board with a Single Core CPU with 1gb of RAM trying to run Window... : Dark Drakonis