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  So is the biggest complaint about Windows 8 the fact that the marketplace seems fairly integrated with th... : pigvomit
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    It seems like the biggest complaint is that it isn't optional. Some people would rather just use it they ... : BeowolfSchaefer
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      I would bet that by the time it ships, there will be a way to enable classic mode. : UberKalden
      • It's already RTM, finished and shipping. : metalremains
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        What does 'enable classic mode' mean? Does it mean this? http://i.imgur.com/hnV87.png Because if it does... : Memphis-Ahn
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          The current and final version looks like this http://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/windo... : Peanut Fox
          • http://cdn.windows8update.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Optimized-windows-8-desktop-600x337.jpg Bett... : Peanut Fox
    • Aren't they worried about the slap-down they might get from the EU and maybe US? : pigvomit
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      Of course it's optional. Not being able to uninstall it is not the same as forcing you to use it : OverloadUT
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        As I understand it, the original Start Menu is gone. You have Metro and that's it. : Rehevkor
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          What does that have to do with forcing people to use the app store? The Start Menu isn't "gone", it ju : OverloadUT
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            i dont think it has anything to do with metro view, no one really cares about it, it is the fact that Mic... : CrazyRussian1989
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              That's not how it works with Apple and their desktop OS. You can release all the apps you want outside of... : OverloadUT
              • right. desktop and mobile and consoles and pads have some different installation environments and require... : Downforce
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    as far as i can tell yes. While i agree there will be no compelling reason to upgrade from 7, i do not u... : UberKalden
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      problem is they are starting to push developers to go through their so called "App store" meaning that gi... : CrazyRussian1989
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        but don't google and apple do that for their devices? isn't MS just going with that successful framework ... : Downforce
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          Google does not and apple only does it on iOS. I assure you that should apple ever try that with desktops... : terath
          • I think he was just responding to the very first part of the aptly-named CrazyRussian's post. The "they a... : OverloadUT
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    yes but people are retarded. Windows 8 is the EXACT same thing as windows7, as far as apps are concerned.... : mnok
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      what developers are afraid of is Microsoft making their own App store a mandatory thing for any software/... : CrazyRussian1989
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        That is absurd. The reason Windows is so popular is the open nature of producing desktop applications. Yo... : deject
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          Agreed, it is absurd, but it didn't stop Microsoft from trying to close it off in some way... only time w... : CrazyRussian1989
          • But they haven't tried to do that. : deject
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            They have not "tried to close it off in some way" at all : OverloadUT
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              MS is not trying to close off Windows 8 via a "certification" process for software at all and this is one... : Goto10
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                They require certification if you want to be on their app store. There is no requirement to be on the app... : deject
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                  The only way that would be a big deal is if MS somehow someday got stupid and said only certified softwar... : Goto10
                  • There is no relation to uncertified software, at all. It will run as any desktop application does on Wind... : deject
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                They are adding an app store to conveniently buy and install applications in Windows, like every other ma... : OverloadUT
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                  Does the certification process ensure the software plays nice with other pieces of certified software or ... : Goto10
                  • It's mostly a front end shop ease as well as to make sure your app isn't completely fucked up. It makes n... : Chod
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              installing unsigned drivers is a pain in the ass. Makes using things like http://kxproject.lugosoft.com/... : MamiyaOtaru
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                You mean how you have to click "Yes I want to install unsigned drivers"? : OverloadUT
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                  yes it's exactly like that http://forum.avsim.net/topic/321458-win-7-64-bit-install/ : MamiyaOtaru
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                    Sounds like a badly implemented driver. I've installed unsigned drivers numerous times and the only thing... : Chod
                    • probably. I'm not presenting this as evidence that MS is locking everything down, just saying I can see ... : MamiyaOtaru
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                    same thing by someone who has heard of paragraphs http://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/showthread.php?213081-Til... : MamiyaOtaru
                    • I've installed a lot of unsigned drivers and never had to do more than click "yes" to the warning. It sou... : OverloadUT
                  • I don't think citing a post made by someone who linked an image with "file:///" really helps your case. : walker270
  • I don't see why, given the 'app store' approach is why I enjoy the iphone so much : avatar_58
• I thought he wasn't even involved in any of the coding or managerial stuff for minecraft any more : bipolar
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  Notch is a prima donna news at 11 It's not different than certifying your game to be on Steam. It does... : OverloadUT
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    Minecraft not being on Steam sort of invalidates your point. : sambront
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      Minecraft being on XBLA and iOS validates it. WAKE UP : JohnnyRey
      • Egg-fucking-zactly. : rosewood
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      No, you just misunderstood my point. My point is a closed marketplace merely existing doesn't make the wh... : OverloadUT
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        It kinda does on Windows RT. : Conan
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          Well yeah but that's a unique single device; I assumed what we're talking about is personal computers. ... : OverloadUT
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            And honestly I don't know much about Windows RT at all, and that was news to me. I'm only really speaking... : OverloadUT
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              It's not a "unique single device", it's a large number of the Windows 8 tablets that will be shipping - i... : Conan
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                Here's a video of the Asus device: http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/31/3281960/windows-rt-office-2013-rt... : Conan
                • The point is it doesn't mean that real Windows is crippled in any way. : deject
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          As if that is any different from Android/iOS : JohnnyRey
          • It is different than Android, yes, unless you're getting a device from a carrier who is stupid and goes o... : Conan
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    i think what everyone (developers) afraid of that that 2 years down the line Microsoft won't let him sell... : CrazyRussian1989
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      Microsoft would be hit with a shit ton of anti-trust lawsuits then. : jabuck
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        noone is hitting tablets with these lawsuits, why would they do it to PC OS? and microsoft has all right ... : CrazyRussian1989
        • no one in the tablet market is considered a monopoly like Microsoft is with x86/x64 machines. : jabuck
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      That won't happen for the desktop OS : OverloadUT
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        Absolutely agreed. : deject
        • i hope you are right... i am just saying what developers are afraid of and the fact that so many of them ... : CrazyRussian1989
    • The fucking crazy crazies have been worried of that "2 years down the line" shit since Windows 95. : rosewood
• that's too bad, i liked the xbox version : feek
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  Well apple has had much success with closing their system as much as possible. : vortex6930
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    I'm unfamiliar with Windows 8, but using the App Store on the OSX side isn't the only way to install appl... : Ellissd
    • Same with Win 8 : OverloadUT
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      In Win 8 their app store is not the only way to install apps either you do it normally. What MS asked is ... : valcan_s
      • It's the only way to install Metro apps. : mojoald
  • LOL : valcan_s
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    Say whaat? : dumb.
    • iOS app store is extremely successful, wouldn't you agree? : lord cecil
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  As a software developer who has been through the Windows certification process with an app, I can't think... : jeffcox111
  • This ^^^ I agree, that is my experience as well with the shop I am with, its no big deal. : valcan_s
• Desktop applications can still be sold through whatever means you want, I don't know what he is complaini... : jabuck
• lol Windows 8 is sounding like the Obama Care Debate. I might buy it, but i'll wait to see how it turns o... : saturn96
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  notch is an idiot. The more I read the things he says (and I'm not just talking news blurbs, but intervie... : freakynipples69
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    but I'll be fair and say I never had a conversation with him, so he may not be the idiot he paints himsel... : freakynipples69
    • I don't think he's an idiot, I just think he loves the attention his video game celebrity status affords ... : qwpeoriu
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    I think it's easy to confuse having a carefree attitude with being an idiot. : Goncyn
    • Having a strong opinion, like he has demonstrated, is not being carefree. : StealthHawk
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    JohnnyRey post wait what : deject
    • lol : JohnnyRey
  • I don't know if he's an idiot, but he did quite an idiotic thing when he funded that one tactical shooter... : The Grolar Bear
  • I am beginning to think his ego is getting to big for his hat. : deathofrats
• The Neckbeard is strong in this one. : brecht
• Like JohnnyRey said above, Minecraft being on XBLA and iOS is pretty hypocritical. : Anastomosis
• This is like prisoners arguing over who's bitch Johnny is. : capt tripps
• So minecraft will run on W8, just not be in the app store right? If so the who the hell cares, if I were... : Liquid
• If the store offers a service like steams cross play across windows 8 devices, then i can see the benefit... : o.flaherty
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  Notch is being a tard this time. : Memphis-Ahn
  • ptffff this time : JohnnyRey
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  This coming from a guy whose game requires a Java VM install. lol : Halen
  • you lost me on this one : MamiyaOtaru
• I'm glad to see the intelligent people coming out. Notch here makes no sense. He's just bagging on Win8... : UCFknighthood
• Considering Minecraft already runs perfectly fine on Windows 8 using standard install methods, this is a ... : Kojak2000
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  So someone want to explain how the fuck this is news? : Mr Gore
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    Shacknews is the tabloid of internet personalities. : Memphis-Ahn
    • You misspelled Kotaku : Home Nugget
  • a game developer of a fairly popular game is publicly thumbing his nose at a major platform for games. ... : harold.johnson
• Hey the guy is standing up for something he believes in, that's commendable. : uebersoldat
• That's pretty sad. I dislike the Windows 8. In my opinion, the Windows 7 is better than 8. : commanderxp90
• Is there any limit to the depths of unprofessionalism this man displays? : Shadow13th
• Is there any limit to the depths of unprofessionalism this man displays? : Shadow13th
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  I wish people would remember. People almost always hate every new version of Windows. I remember Windows ... : shmargin
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    Does this mean I will soon need to own 3 iphones to game in eyefinity? : dookiebot
    • It's currently up to 3 phones using Apple's new connector, though they're working on a version that suppo... : Peanut Fox
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  Notch is entitled to his opinion, but it's fucking annoying how the gaming community puts him on a pedist... : weemanply109
  • pedestal* : weemanply109