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  Yes, such a drastic shift from the first two games that weren't about grinding gear at all. : nikoomba
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    Gaming has evolved a lot in the last 12 years since D2 came out. Just because D1 and D2 did it doesn't ma... : Keefinator
    • I agree. I have very fond memories of playing Diablo 2 but I played Torchlight when it came out due to th... : CaptainThunderpants
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    Maybe the two previous games were fun to grind? Oh, that can't be so! Blizzard can't make mistakes! xD : Curike
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      yeah im getting tired of anytime there is actual valid criticism of Blizzard people immediately dismiss i... : deathofrats
      • It goes both ways, too. Any tiny, minute, nearly insignificant (or in some (most?) cases, entirely untrue... : Ambient80
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        Valid is a matter of opinion. : nikoomba
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          It is, but when EVERY criticism, contrustive or not, gets instantly shot down by battered wives blizzard ... : deathofrats
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            I guess, it just seems to me that perhaps people's expectations were way too high. Comparing the time I'... : nikoomba
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              high expectations on a sequel to a game a lot of people were still playing 12 years after release? That'... : deathofrats
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                Who are these people you speak of? Were you still playing it? : Zek
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                  Copies of Diablo: Battle Chest continue to be sold in retail stores, appearing on the NPD Group's top 10 : deathofrats
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                    Okay, how about without the bots? What I'm asking is whether you know anyone who still plays it. Or an... : Zek
                    • Yes. : deathofrats
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                      I do. Biding my time till Torchlight 2 comes out : vertdang
                      • To be clear when I say "still playing it" I mean really running the endgame content on a longterm basis a... : Zek
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                      I play Diablo 2 at least twice a year. : David Craddock
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                        With Lord of Destruction installed, of course. : David Craddock
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                          Well, you have to stay informed for your book of course. Research, right? ;) D3 should offer you a who... : Keefinator
                          • I definitely discuss all 3 versions of Diablo 3. ;) But I meant that I play Diablo 2 multiple times a yea... : David Craddock
                • Not every day but I usually played through it a at least a few times every year. : Mr. Goodwrench
            • I spent a lot of time playing in hopes that it got better. It took me almost 40 hours to get to where "t... : mobab
        • It's perfectly valid. Some people just have to start picking their knickers out of their ass cracks over ... : Mr. Goodwrench
      • frontpagers, disgusting! : Zolneirz
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    haha. well people now aren't about pacing themselves. gotta consume the game content absolutely as fast a... : Downforce
    • Well sure but it took d2 an exp pack as well as patches that changed the entire way skills worked to get ... : nikoomba
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  Blizzard has my cash, so my departure will go unnoticed and my protest of poor planning will join with th : EricZBA
  • That's kind of true but it's kind of not. Blizzard will make more money if there are more players that st... : leuthil
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  Game should have waited another 4-5 months before release. : sreyes22
  • More like game should have proper planning (however long it should takes) and listening to people's feedb... : p34nk
  • I don't see how that would have changed any of this. : skinlab133
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  The reason Blizzard designed D3's endgame this way is because D2's endgame was exactly the same, and peop... : Zek
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    Putting an easy level cap is a lot different than Diablo 2. It was damn hard to get to level 99 in Diablo... : Chod
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      Level is irrelevant in D2 after beating Hell, it's just a number to go along with your grinding. If the c... : Zek
      • It makes a massive difference. It means you always had some goal to get to since it was so hard. What a l... : Chod
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      Depends what patch you're talking about. For the first 4 years or so - up until patch 1.10 - getting to ... : bipolar
      • I call BS on you. You talk out of your ass, it has never taken 3-4 hours to hit 99. Not even if you were ... : Curike
      • I call BS on you. You talk out of your ass, it has never taken 3-4 hours to hit 99. Not even if you were ... : Curike
      • That's only when Lord of Destruction came out. When the base DII game arrived, the only way to get to 99 ... : azshack
      • 3-4 hours to get to 99? BS, maybe that was true if you leeched ubers or whatever new bosses they added ye... : StealthHawk
      • Hell cows to high 80s/low 90s, sure. After that it slowed way down. After 1.10 instead of cows you did Ba... : the_burd
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    The more I play, the more I think the absolute worst thing they did wasn't the AH, but instead the very l... : Wombat Woo
    • Depending on your build, after level 70 or 80 your character was basically at max power. Levels after th... : walker270
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      This is sort of what I'm talking about. I don't agree with any of your suggestions at all. Most of the th... : Zek
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        I guess it all matters on how you like to game then. If you disagree with wombat and wish that d3 was not... : Jikim
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          I wanted D3 to be more fun than D2. And it is. I thought D2's "endgame", consisting of joining a game, ju... : Zek
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            Exact opposite for me right now. The way D3 is set up right now I could sit down for 30 minutes or 5 hou... : Wombat Woo
            • technically, you could lose progress in d2 too, if you died a lot (causing you to lose exp) : Jikim
          • What you're saying about D2 is true, but when you get bored, you could always go and help your friends (p... : Jikim
        • have you reached 500k dps on all 5 classes? nope? theeen whats the issue with end game? : .ka`boom.zZz.
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    the thing is you can make grind optional for the 40 year old virgins while making content manageable for ... : thebigbeefsandwich
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      I don't really get it. They put a way in there for you to avoid grinding altogether: go to the RMAH and d... : FlatlineDixay
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        You get the best gear, even if you buy it. What then? To what end do you need better gear? To kill Diablo : Keefinator
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          What is the motivation to do the same things in an MMO? You grind raid bosses for gear to make grinding t... : derelict515
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            Crafting : mobab
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              that's just another system for grinding for gear for the same purpose (redoing raids) : derelict515
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                What? I craft for fun. I've only been on a few raids. : mobab
                • Crafting is just acquiring loot through grinding a different system. If the complaint is 'what am I acqui... : derelict515
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            Those are better social experiences as well. : sleepytea
            • You get out what you put in. I play with less than 10 different people and it's no different than running... : the_burd
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          I agree, but that was the point in D2. Kinda just tweaking your character(s) based on your available drop... : FlatlineDixay
          • I think a lot more of it has to do with unrealistic expectations. It's almost like people went into Diab... : valael
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          To gear alts? Sell for gold or real money? Do the same thing you would have done in the previous two ga... : valael
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            I don't understand what kind of "endgame" an aRPG is supposed to have. Diablo has always been about item ... : StealthHawk
            • Yeah, I wish Keefinator would clarify what he actually wants and how Blizzard would have justified comple... : valael
    • You expect them to add new areas & bosses for free? Or are we going down the DLC route? Because there are... : StealthHawk
  • D2 end game was not exactly the same lol : MoreVespeneGas
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  Blizzard has some good storytellers and--- **RECORD SCRATCH** : Wikus Van De Merwe
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    I said good, not great, although I do like Blizzard's story lines. : Keefinator
    • They spend a lot of time and effort telling a story, that much is for sure. The story ends up being disjo... : FlatlineDixay
    • Haha, well if you'd said 'great' I'd have assumed you were joking. More power to you if you enjoy their s... : Arceihn
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      Who really plays a Blizzard game especially Diablo for the story? It's basically go kill this and goph... : Sailor of Fortune
      • I thought SC1's story was pretty sweet. SC2's... not so much. : Moonbase Commander
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        You're right, they don't play it for story. They do, however, play it for the atmosphere, which D2 nailed... : FlatlineDixay
        • Damn I wish DroidChatty can post to news articles because I couldn't reply except on a browser or Lamp. ... : Sailor of Fortune
      • I played D1 and D2 for the story, and the awesome art direction and the awesome music. D3 has none of ... : Mr. Goodwrench
      • I really liked the warcraft 3 and SC1 storys myself : FreshwaterAU
      • To add to the above comments, how is this even an argument? The game has a story. It doesn't matter very : Arceihn
      • I think a lot of people really liked early blizzard games for the story, however crude they may seem now.... : DeBurgo
      • I loved them back when I was a kid. I don't know if I've just grown up and like them less now or if the ... : valael
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        The story isn't even the big issue. The dialog (too much and bad) is the real culprit here. : the_burd
        • You know what bothered me more than anything? Diablo's voice. It's fucking mind blowing that they liste... : valael
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        Starcraft 1 story was GREAT, Warcraft 3 story was good but told GREAT. Now,... not so much : abrasion
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          SC1 was fine for a story but I enjoyed the characters interacting more. That was the best part of the gam... : Sailor of Fortune
          • WC3 is more advanced than SC1 and SC2 combined. : abrasion
      • I do : GodZilly
      • Dude, the writing used to be good. : Wikus Van De Merwe
    • Even good storytellers is a gross exaggeration. D3's story is the textbook definition of amateurish. : 0mar
    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJS4TeykUmM go back and watch the diablo 2 cutscenes and compare it to ... : DewFuel
    • Personally, I thought Diablo 3 had one of the most terrible stories, and even worse writing, of any game ... : Yumcheese
  • Indeed. : Yumcheese
  • Just wanted to join in on the hating of Blizzard's story telling abilities group. Damn they're terrible. : frenziedbadger
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  There's a typo in Lords of Destruction -- Lord should be singular. I also think you miss the point a b... : bipolar
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    Got the typo. Thought I had fixed that before it went live. Thanks. As far as point three, it may be B... : Keefinator
    • The Blizzard of 2012 is a very different company from that of the late 90s. Course, that's true of basic... : bipolar
    • In pre-release interviews, the staff were saying they would only consider it a success if it had a thrivi... : sleepytea
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    I think for me #1 is the reason D2 has longevity, always a new build to try (and different builds, for th... : aethyr
    • Perhaps my favorite time in Diablo 2 was theorycrafting a new build for a sorc, figuring out what gear wo... : bipolar
  • Great points. Personally, I still like the decisions behind #1, but #2 is a really big factor affecting... : sleepytea
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    Weakest of the last 15 years you're crazy bro d3 rulez : RogerDandy
    • Bro, cool story. : Yumcheese
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  I came to the same conclusion a few weeks ago: that its addictive but not fun; even exploitative: http... : hyperwired
  • People will still disagree with me as well. But such is the nature of opinion. : Keefinator
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  WTF happened,(been lurking and occasionally posting since 00) this site used to be all about playing game... : krakhead420
  • what you are doing is whining and bitching. lol. : hyperwired
  • Wait is livejournal down or something : bipolar
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    I approve this post, it's not an mmo, it's a dungeon crawler : damageundone
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      Its a dungeon boat ride. : podung
      • Big waves? : damageundone
  • Lots of great indie games have come out and been enjoyed and discussed by people here. DIII is just a hu... : sleepytea
  • Irony: krakhead420 doesn't get it. : noxiousgg
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  arrgh this $60 video game only entertained me for 80hrs, fuck Blizzard. Sound about right? : darcspeed
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    You missed the point. I said I loved the game. Had a lot of fun. Would love to find a way to keep playing... : Keefinator
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      I don't understand what people like you want out of a diablo game besides a hack and slash gear grind. Th... : darcspeed
      • On a scale of 1 - 10, precisely how troubled are you? : bipolar
      • So if we don't like diablo 3, we're just wrong? Hah. : rtrson
      • You need a reason to get the gear. Even a shitty reason. Bad PvP, getting to a ridiculous level cap, ... : Jimb0v2
      • Fully concur with ya, darcspeed. : wytefang
      • Agreed : digweed014
      • I DEMAND GREATNESS : skinlab133
      • yeah, there are flaws but ultimately it is filling the same role as D2, I'm just not in high school anymo... : derelict515
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        Actually, considering that Blizzard wants longevity out of their product (heck, look at the RMAH), that's... : Rice-Rocketeer
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          Diablo was not built in a day. D3 will get there, just like D2 did. If anyone remembers D2 vanilla, it ha... : StealthHawk
          • I fail to see how this exonerates them in any way. I thought the goal of a sequel was to take what worked... : Zyrusticae
    • It's ok. They'll bitch at you if you don't play the game enough, but then bitch at you if you do play it... : mobab
    • So you basically want it to be more of an RPG then, with a huge amount of sidequests? Or do you actual... : StealthHawk
    • Sounds like you were hoping for an MMO. : the_burd
  • Seeing as how people have been playing and still play d2 ten years later this argument seems juvenile. : erebus
  • I absolutely got my money's worth with D3. Amazing value for $60. It still doesn't have the long-term g... : aethyr
  • People keep saying this, like it totally negates criticism of games. Here's my canned response: the Dia... : FlatlineDixay
  • this is mega retarded : Chipwarrior
• I didn't make it even to 20 hours. I got bored with it and didn't finish. The game is dull. It does ... : Thresher
• Well, it did make a ton of money for Blizzard, so from a business standpoint, I guess we can say its a be... : milgram976
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  You know... this ISN'T an MMO. It's a Hack and Slash game, like Diablo 2 was. Grinding is the core mec... : Longgshot
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    Or you played Diablo 2 to level 99 and had a blast while doing so and expected Diablo 3 to be just as fun... : Mr. Goodwrench
    • When playing from Normal through Hell, D3 is by far a better game than D2 in just about every respect IMO... : Zek
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      How many characters did you get to the level cap? : walker270
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        A Necro, a Druid and Barb. I had a Sorceress on the way too. : Mr. Goodwrench
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          How many were done with no power leveling? : saunders45
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            None of them? I enjoyed playing through the game for what it was. I didn't do all this in the space of... : Mr. Goodwrench
            • you leveled 3 chars to 99 in d2 with no power leveling??? as in... not running baal thousands of times? : mnok
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            I meant none of them were done by power leveling. : Mr. Goodwrench
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              Ok. Just curious. : saunders45
              • I didn't power level either. Also, keep in mind that most D2 players did NOT reach level 99, nor did most... : David Craddock
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      But i was not talking about how fun it was or not, i was talking about the "endgame". Thats a whole diff... : Longgshot
      • i forgot to say, if its fun or not, appart from beeing a whole different story, its subjetive, everybody ... : Longgshot
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      Maybe you grew up. Back when EverQuest was new, I could camp dervish camps all day. I did level 45 (a "... : valael
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        Except I was playing D2 until a few months before D3 was released. I'm burned out on D3 and after say 50-... : Mr. Goodwrench
        • be more specific : valael
    • Opinions. D3 is a way better game than D2 was. D2:LoD had a lot more longevity than D3 and was easier to ... : StealthHawk
    • Titan Quest is awesome...yeh, two cents in an angry thread! : Neural Imbalance
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  QUICK HIJACK: Just found an awesome dungeon in Act II that I didn't know existed. It's a timed dungeon, a... : Ambient80
  • That one is fun. If feels like some Aladdin level. : jcrockerman
  • I found that one and got to the end two seconds after the timer expired. ARGH! : Keefinator
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    Haha yeah, I did that one in HC as well. If you "die" you just get teleported outside (but I didn't know ... : The Grolar Bear
    • Hah! And here I thought I was doing some uber-risky thing by racing against the clock. Oh well, was still... : Ambient80
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    Too bad they nerfed chests and took all the fun out of opening them >:[ : sleepytea
    • I got two rares, some health pots, gold, and a few whites. :\ : Ambient80
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  they had 10 years.. and didn't think the end game out? wtf.. sc2 was crap.. so is d3 no innovation at... : virtualsinner
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    HEY! Just because you suck at sc2 multi doesn't mean you gotta bitch that it's got no innovation.. wtf w... : Wshmaster0
    • wow that escalated quickly... : bolange
    • lol.. i guess i prefer warcraft 3 style RTS you don't have to get all twat hurt like that kid : virtualsinner
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  I was kinda wondering when the next diablo 3 editorial would come out, and if it would be something along... : Voradors
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    Because at the start it's like "oh fuck I'm finally playing diablo3 this is fucking awesome!" but then as... : rtrson
    • I FREAKING LOVE Act 3! It reminds me of the LoD Act, all war torn and barricaded and explodey. : AxeMan808
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    I'd certainly like to hear how you came to that conclusion. The blue post that inspired the article you'r... : Zek
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      Apologies are easy. I'm sorry. See, how hard was that? But it doesn't undo the disappointment and it does... : rtrson
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        I still can't believe people want refunds for Diablo 3. I bought fucking BRINK at full price. the game b... : Downforce
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          Yea I don't get it either. I played for 3 weeks and then moved on when I got bored. That being said it's ... : phate81
          • Totally agree! : wytefang
        • I bet your expectations of brink weren't that high though. And by the way, I'm not demanding a refund. I ... : rtrson
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      Haha, you're the typical internet kid who thinks people should be GRATEFUL to Blizzard because they're be... : Curike
      • I am grateful to companies that release fun games that I get many hours of enjoyment from playing, you're... : Zek
      • You forgot to use the term "white knight." : saunders45
      • 3 months? You can't count. : rtrson
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  Well said Keefs. I'm not entirely sure you're the "vocal minority" here though, lots of us were disappoin... : limpossible
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    More like, "The minority who are vocal" : Ebu
    • More like, using the same words to mean the same thing! : grendel
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  Here's the real problem , they removed a lot of the grinding aspects, such as having to reroll and releve : grandmasterlee
  • The idea that the AH was going to stop gold sellers or 3rd party companies selling gear was a lie from th... : rtrson
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  I agree with Ars Technicas article on the subject a bit more http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2012/07/bl... : phate81
  • He cherry picked some ridiculous posts to shame the general population of people who aren't happy with th... : rtrson
• Dying in softcore should reset your game. Fuck repair costs. Take off all NV and replace all mobs. : sleepytea
• I guess I'm just confused as to what they (Blizzard) are supposed too provide for some sort of expected e... : wytefang
• Any game with gear and levels plays to addiction and not fun :/ : nukewinter
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  Your efforts to dismiss my unengaging endgame are meaningless. Prepare for doom as I have already broken : capt tripps
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    So what you are saying is that Blizzard is Diablo? Interesting hypothesis ;) : Keefinator
    • Hmm. In this case they would actually be Act 3 Asmodan. Although you can pick your shitty dialogue and... : capt tripps
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  For me, the endgame of D3 was when you beat Diablo and saw the ending. Any further play is just for diff... : aasyranth
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    That's a short game for $60 :( : hatelull
    • I'll replay it later with different friends. : aasyranth
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  this is why i'm taking my time. playing occasionally. i'm level 57 or 58, in act 3 hell. no rush to g... : xxiv
  • The problem with this view is Inferno isn't like Normal-Hell. You will find places where you are just st... : Moonbase Commander
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  I do like the Ars-Technica viewpoint on this. You got your 100+ hours(and for some 500+ hours) and you... : Johnsexyelder
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    Time is by far the worst argument for entertainment. Addictive play necessarily means you will put in ab... : Moonbase Commander
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      If you're spending a lot of time doing something that is entertaining you, I fail to see how that is "the... : Johnsexyelder
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        Because it isn't entertaining. I'm constantly finding myself just staring at the start screen and thinki... : Moonbase Commander
        • Oh, and the other part is the time required to get to Inferno. Normal to Hell is a cakewalk with non-lev... : Moonbase Commander
        • but that's your experience. You are entitled to that experience. I don't feel the same way. : Johnsexyelder
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        Time spent isn't necessarily a measure of fun. You can spend 140 playing an addictive game and not reall... : capt tripps
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          But is that the games fault you got addicted to it? Even still, you still played the game enough to just... : Johnsexyelder
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            Addiction plays on the weakness of the user. It doesn't work towards justifying a cost, just how long it... : Moonbase Commander
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              If you get addicted to video games, you shouldn't be blaming Blizzard your should be seeking help from a ... : Johnsexyelder
              • I have no problem if I get addicted to fun things. : Moonbase Commander
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                Oh, and you are still missing the point. We are talking about fun and you are equating time spent with f... : Moonbase Commander
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                  Time spent is just one way to quantify fun. My argument was that you spent 100+ hours playing a game, wh... : Johnsexyelder
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                    I still don't understand how simply spending time with something equates to fun, worthiness, or enjoyment... : Moonbase Commander
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                      I live in a weird and wacky world where I spend my free time doing things I enjoy. The more I enjoy some... : Johnsexyelder
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                        do you ever do any work? : jim bone
                        • Forbid I actually enjoy *gulp, work. : Johnsexyelder
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            If a game is designed to be addictive, then I could see it being the games fault. That's not saying that... : capt tripps
            • No argument there. I think the AH and the RMAH are the worst design decisions interms of making the game... : Johnsexyelder
          • enjoyment seems like a much better metric to justify cost than time-spent; as many have pointed out, time... : jim bone
      • I think some people want some bigger purpose or accomplishment out of games than what they can provide. ... : pigvomit
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    answer honestly: if there was no AH/RMAH, do you think people would be MORE or LESS pissed off? custom... : Downforce
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      If the AH didn't exist, the game would have been designed for more drops that are necessary to continue p... : Johnsexyelder
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        so, you're suggesting they'd have to go away from randomness? class-aware guaranteed drops? : Downforce
        • The weird thing is, to me, that there are very few items which are class specific. There are a few weapo... : Johnsexyelder
        • Why is that bad? I don't know any DH's who are stacking Int. I don't know and Monks that are stacking i... : Moonbase Commander
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          Which is interesting because that would be the exact opposite of what Diablo 2 was. It's loot was incredi... : Chod
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            I think Diablo 2 gave you a lot of shit, but there was shit in there that you actually wanted and used. ... : Johnsexyelder
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              Well someone got that. It's not like it just magically materialized on the AH. I do understand the differ... : Chod
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                That's true. I mean, you still get stuff. It's just after the AH, that stuff is just more crap you get ... : Johnsexyelder
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                  You are just as capable of finding loot that you can use in D3 as you are in D2. Nothing has changed in t... : Zek
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                    Not in Inferno. : Johnsexyelder
                    • Inferno didn't exist in Diablo 2, and Hell was still easy as shit. The difference is you didn't need b... : walker270
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                    That is objectively false. There was a far greater ratio of sets/uniques to base items in D2, meaning you... : FlatlineDixay
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                      Sets/Uniques have clearly been delegated to a lesser role as of now, but that's a separate issue. In D3 i... : Zek
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                        Crafting should be considered a replacement for D2's gambling. Honestly, it seems like a lot of the "f... : walker270
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                          Yup, people should totally learn to find the game fun! : FlatlineDixay
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                            I'm saying they shouldn't go into it expecting certain game mechanics work a specific way and then raging... : walker270
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                              I personally have an extraordinarily good idea about how the systems in the game work. That's just me spe... : FlatlineDixay
                              • I'd suspect you're wrong, given how many of the reasons being touted about are either straight false (ex:... : walker270
                    • Don't forget that you're talking about D2:LoD. Sets and uniques were pretty much worthless in vanilla D2 ... : StealthHawk
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        Except if you listen to the lead designer, the game wasn't balanced around the AH at all. Normal, Nigh... : walker270
        • Diablo players did not want an auction house. Blizzard shoe horned into the game so they could make money... : pinion120
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    You literally cannot play the higher difficulties of the game without using it. You are wrong. Maybe i... : sigpro
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      The impression I've gotten is that a lot of people have been successful getting through Inferno Act 1 eit... : FlatlineDixay
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        I'm sure that pre 1.03 patch that yes it gets hard due to drop rates and needing resists, but for me in m... : sigpro
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          There was a witch doctor that beat act 2 with 25k, although he died a lot more than the monk. : valael
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            I just looked that up and sent it to my co-worker who spent millions on gear for his WD. I am awaiting hi... : sigpro
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              Kripp beat all of Inferno for less than 500k on his Barbarian. Dude also beat pre-nerf Inferno hardcor... : walker270
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                Scouring the AH for deals is cool, can't argue with you there. As for the Hardcore accomplishment, yeah,... : FlatlineDixay
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                  Yeah, dude, keep repeating I'm hung up on taking things literally when people use the word literal to pro... : walker270
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                    Critiquing the game means I'm throwing a tantrum? Get real. If a huge percentage of players are finding... : FlatlineDixay
                    • I would say a lot of vocal gamers reaction to Diablo 3 is akin to throwing a temper tantrum in Walmart be : walker270
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        The AH shortcuts farming. That's all it does. Anything you get off the AH can be found in game, and : walker270
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          Seems to me like you're taking a very literal interpretation of the word "impossible" that some players m... : FlatlineDixay
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            When people say it's literally impossible, yes I'm going to take the literal interpretation of the word i... : walker270
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              Case in point : I think the AH basically ruined the experience that Diablo 2 did so well. If you aren' : walker270
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                Uh, I read your post, and you're STILL hung up proving that it's not literally true that it's "impossible... : FlatlineDixay
                • The entire point of this subtread was me saying it is possible to beat the game without using the AH and ... : sigpro
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                  The idea that it's literally true is the crux of his argument. He even used the word literally when maki : walker270
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                    How does your hangup on the word literal debunk the premise that "If you aren't excited about anything th : capt tripps
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                      That's a personal opinion. He might not be excited about a potential drop, but that doesn't mean no one ... : walker270
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                        Enjoyment of any activity is opinion. The question is whether it is commonly held. The idea that changi... : capt tripps
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                          "Pay to win" now includes in-game currencies? Fantastic. : walker270
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                            They are planning on selling gold for real money. And in a game that's all about grinding and progressio... : capt tripps
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                              Blizzard is not selling the gold for real money. They are allowing players to put their own gold up for... : walker270
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                                It doesn't matter who's selling if you're paying to beat a part of the game. : capt tripps
                                • By that definition, every game with an in-game economy is pay to win. Or if you include paying someone e... : walker270
                    • Because you can choose to play w/o using the AH? : StealthHawk
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                    Okay, well, even if I think it's kind of a stupid thing to debate, you still haven't really provided any ... : FlatlineDixay
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                      What do you want me to prove? Everyone on the AH can drop in the game. The hardest difficulty can be : walker270
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                        The fact that everything on the AH must have dropped in the game is not, in itself, proof of anything. Fo... : FlatlineDixay
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                          Actually, my assertions are fine because neither you nor anyone else complaining about this shit is makin : walker270
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                            Okay, I stretched it to mean "beatable by right now, 6 or 7 weeks after launch." You're right, you got me... : FlatlineDixay
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                              See, and this is what it reduces to -- Statement A : Inferno Act 2 is impossible to beat without drops : walker270
                              • "The problem is the Auction House, but not in the way people are complaining. Without the AH, trivializin... : valael
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                They are MY STATEMENTS. Thanks for "debunking" my opinion. You are welcome to disagree. Maybe I sh... : Johnsexyelder
                • I literally think my opinion is my opinion, by the way. : Johnsexyelder
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                  Except now Act 1 Inferno can drop everything the game has to offer. There's no difference in potential l : walker270
                  • but by then, most people(including myself) will have given in to the AH and already Inferno level loot. : Johnsexyelder
• Luckily, unlike other games, regardless of how quickly you want to rush to the end, the near-limitless co : mobab
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  Wow, this is an incredibly negative and entitled editorial. A company rep comes out and makes a post sayi... : The Bananarama
  • It's Blizzard. Like I'd software, no matter what they do it will be criticized. : Pneum0
  • I want diablo to blow me and tickle my balls with a feather : Lawgiver
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    I think a lot of people played through Nightmare and then Hell based on the notion that level 60 and/or I... : FlatlineDixay
    • There's nothing wrong with criticizing the product, but this isn't about the product. This is about Blizz... : The Bananarama
  • personally i would like the game to be more fun. : jim bone
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    I played 250 hours because I was addicted, not because I was having fun. : sleepytea
    • You should probably do something about that. : Zek
    • So are you still playing =D : StealthHawk
    • if you put 250 hours into a video game you don't enjoy then you either have other issues or you're full o... : valael
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  Exactly how many hours should you get out of Diablo 3 before you're satisfied? Even the best games get bo... : Magus
  • My friends list is pretty barren. I used to see 10+ people on every day for hours. : StealthHawk
• That "hundreds upon hundreds of thousands" number will drop off soon enough. Yesterday I got to talk gam... : Liquid
• I'm glad I got my refund on D3 from Blizzard. What an empty and meaningless game. And Blizzard has terrib... : pizzaput
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  Does this article count as a troll? : capt tripps
  • If you don't agree with something it must automatically be a troll. : Mr. Goodwrench
• I'm extremely happy with diablo 3 -- I never was able to get hooked on diablo 2 but I'm enjoying the thir... : mystikal
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  Well in my circle it's like, "Guys in 10 years when we wanna play Diablo, which one is it going to be?" a... : ghost in my shell
  • One thing I think that stinks about D3 being always online is that you can't have any mods. Something lik... : Chod
• i don't see what you're complaining about at all. Diablo 3 is just like Diablo 2 and Diablo 1. It isn't... : ibrokn
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  Haha, people are talking about Diablo 3's endgame like it's an MMO. : pigvomit
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    seriously when did single player games start having an "end game", lol : scatterblack
    • They should add prestige mode. You reboot all your stats, money, and items, but your account gets a fanc... : pigvomit
    • So is it a single player game or isn't it? Any time ANYONE mentions that Diablo 3 has single player on he... : CheesePlatter
    • I still get pissed off about when all the arcade games started ending rather than continuing as long as y... : AxeMan808
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    A better question is why you don't know that Diablo 3 has an endgame. Are you not aware that people have ... : grendel
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      What is Diablo 2's endgame and how is it different? : pigvomit
      • ime, it boils down to all variations of PvP, philanthropy, and races to the top on ladder reset. : miasma&!
    • And I'm sure Diablo 3 will have players in 10+ years. Some people like the gameplay, some people don't, ... : valael
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      Yes, and you can do the same thing in Diablo 3, though maybe slightly less so. Simply play through the... : ovrlrd
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        Skyrim is a game about experiences and that comes from a large amount of content and interactions. Diabl... : sleepytea
        • You kind of miss my point, but it doesn't matter, people just love bitching about Diablo 3 at this point ... : ovrlrd
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        Except in Diablo 2 running bosses was the best way to gear your character. In Diablo 3 its the auction ho... : grendel
        • I think you mean the best way to gear in D2 was doing boss runs, then going into trading games/forums. Wh... : StealthHawk
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          this is such bullshit. 1) Diablo 2 had plenty of trade channels and forums, the AH just makes it less of... : valael
          • You know, I think I might play more if the loot actually shot out of my character's ass. : capt tripps
          • Why is it mandatory for people to take a post that criticizes a game and reduce it to the most absurd ver... : grendel
  • Gamers lol : mystikal
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    Well wait a minute... it's an online only game. It shouldn't be one if they're not going to do something ... : thebigbeefsandwich
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      Exactly. Make up your mind people, is it an online only game or not? : CheesePlatter
      • I can't wait for them to add PVP so people will start shutting up about it being online only. It's such a... : ovrlrd
    • Online only does not mean MMO. I think it's pretty clear why they wanted it online only (control + ease ... : pigvomit
    • You don't pay $15 a month so it won't have content updates like an MMO. : jra101
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    This is what I keep coming back to. I guess I'm just not one of those people who played Diablo I or II f... : Gwyndion
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      My uncle played Diablo for two years solid after release, like every night, he was on it, just killing sh... : pigvomit
      • Diablo 1/2 and WoW are entirely unrelated though, being that they were completely different development t... : Mr. Goodwrench
      • Wow, I can't imagine playing any one game for that long. I played UO in beta and probably for almost 2 y... : Gwyndion
• im sorta bored of it...ive gotten 100+ hours though so i certainly have no complaints, but these types of... : ninjase
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  This whole thread and no mention on how it took D2 years to get it right. I would be surprised if D2 was ... : sonicdeathwalrus
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    They dropped the ball pretty hard on Inferno, the criticism is justified. At the end of the day, people d... : StealthHawk
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      Except some people do want to be challenged, and are dying for challenging content. The masses don't a... : walker270
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        I think the point is the "difficulty" comes down to gear, and has very little to do with how skilled you ... : JohnnyRey
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          Skilled players will be able to do more with less. That's essentially what you've got, and what we see. : walker270
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            Diablo is not a skill-based game. The Souls series and God Hand are skill based games. : Moonbase Commander
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              If you claim Diablo's not a skill-based game, then I'd argue the Souls games aren't either. The chal : walker270
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                If you get hit in those games, it is your own fault. In D3, if you get walled-in/jailed/desecrated, you ... : Moonbase Commander
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                  I'd argue that skill-based games also tend to have difficulty options based on player input. This is not ... : Vincent Grayson
                  • You're not expected to do anything. You can finish the game on normal and move on, finish on nightmare a... : valael
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                    http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/4254459132?page=33#654 There’s a wide variety of players out : walker270
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                      Also, it seems like the "we know people really want goals to work towards and challenges to overcome" see... : walker270
                      • I think that's pretty clearly always been the case. The best "challenge" in virtually every game I've eve... : Vincent Grayson
                • Getting hit or not doesn't have a whole lot to do with it. Gear is still going to be what keeps you aliv... : valael
                • You can hit a point (level-wise) in the Souls games where getting hit really doesn't matter, just like yo... : walker270
            • That's incredibly stupid to say. There's skill is how you configure your dude, which gear, when you use ... : matrixneo42
        • At certain points, my monk had 1k resist and 10k armor and some things still nearly one shot him. Gear o... : valael
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          That's not true at all. I play many public games and I see many players doing bad decisions like kitin... : umegastar
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            The public game Diablo kills I've been on usually involve three people getting chain caged, standing in t... : walker270
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              You find lots of people in Act 2 who should be doing Act 1 instead. I think my spot is Act 2 up to des... : umegastar
              • that sounds like enough to finish the game if you kite well enough, honestly : valael
  • I agree with this. People just need to be patient. I will withhold all judgement from this game until bli... : milgram976
• Worst article ever posted to Shacknews. Congrats : jonin
• shittiest article i've read on shacknews. i shall go back to not reading articles on shacknews. : mwasher
• Posting in epic thread of D3 lovers and haters and general shack circlejerking : Volatus32x
• Keef, you haven't even gotten to inferno and you're already talking about end game. Act 1 inferno can ... : umegastar
• Good article. My beef is with blizzard and their 10+ years to put out a quality product that another good... : Hilux SSRG
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  I have gotten less than 1 usable, equipple rare item per week from actually playing the game (read: not b... : grendel
  • I've been farming act 2 almost every day since 1.03 and I've found two slight upgrades. I made about 10 m... : jojoeasy
  • If you were getting good monk/DH items you should be able to sell them and get good wizard stuff. : aethyr
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  the end game is when i stopped playing because it feels boring to play a game over and over again no matt... : dantastic
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    You must not have been a big fan of Street Fighter or pretty much any first person shooter ever! : FlatlineDixay
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      In both genres you mention the level of difficulty changes quite often when you play against people. You'... : rtrson
      • My point is that, if done correctly, a high degree of randomness can really let a solid set of gameplay m... : FlatlineDixay
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  Diablo 3 = 3 times the Disappointment! I got about 100 hours into the game with a level 60 monk and move... : champ6
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    So disappointed you put 100 hours into it. If I'm disappointed in a game, it's lucky to get 5 hours out ... : valael
    • You aren't considering the diablo factor. So many of us kept playing and trying to convince ourselves bec... : rtrson
  • Yes, but my wallet won't be returning for D3x or SC2x for that matter. : Wikus Van De Merwe
• It's shit. : massdev
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  80 hours of content for 50 to 60 bucks is pretty good in my opinion. That's at least 4 to 8 times as muc... : matrixneo42
  • 80 hours for what? Nightmare/Hell/Inferno is the same content as Normal, so don't talk out of your arse. ... : Curike
• Inferno in Act's 3/4 are just frustrating and Anti-Fun. Acts 3 and 4 feel rushed and the difficulty bas... : rythex
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  This article is spot on. Repetitive button-mashing action gameplay is the #1 thing holding video games b... : Atanatari165
  • Hi! How do you mean "Baldur's Gate" is non-repetitive? I never played it but I'm looking at picking the u... : aoleon
  • If this was some new game with fantastical claims about being a new genre of play-ability I would agree w... : Miller_TYM
• You aren't missing out on much Keef. I got through Inferno acts 3 through 4 and beat Diablo last night. ... : ManiacalMoose
• I knew it was smart to wait. I won't even buy the game until patch 1.1 is out, perhaps the endgame and th... : aoleon
• plays to hefty rmah fees, not fun. : peasofme
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  It's just as repayable as Diablo 2 or 1 was. End game of Diablo 2 in particular was just about identical... : Miller_TYM
  • I agree there. Problem is all these wow annual pass freebie peeps think its supposed to be an mmo. That s... : drac01