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  Fucking. Stupid. : Wikus Van De Merwe
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    Yeah, fucking consumer rights! Here in America the land of the FUCKING FREE we don't deal in no faggy co... : GigiLeCheshire
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      Yes, the land of the free for producers and consumers alike, ideally. : Wikus Van De Merwe
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        So you don't think people should be able to get their money back if the product they purchased didn't fun... : UberKalden
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          what about diablo 3 doesnt function? : daroach1414
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            Apparently, on the Korean servers, everything. : Rehevkor
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              Except I play on the Korean servers and they function just fine, or at least just as much as the American... : Wikus Van De Merwe
              • as much as American server .. which is not much during peak period. And even when you can log in, many pe... : dodopig
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            dissatisfaction with a product is good enough justification to return an item. dont see why video games s... : cptstern
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              How many hours of "dissatisfaction" are allowed before a company doesn't have to offer a refund? : Firefly1985
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                is that a standard question asked in other industries? : cptstern
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                  Actually, yeah, think about 30, 60, or 90 day return policies. There is a certain amount of assumed usage... : Firefly1985
                  • Even if it's a 30 day though they'd still be within their rights at this point. I think the issue is tha... : one random winner
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                  Ya. They also dont let you return stuff if you use it. So you rip the tag off those shoes, wear them ar... : daroach1414
                  • That's assuming that the shoes work as shoes. The big contention here is that the game is not working ... : DragonSire
              • How many hours did they play? : mobab
              • It's not a question of how many hours. People were wanting a refund from the start because of the lack o... : asianwaste
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              If im dissatisfied with an apple after eating half of it, should i be able to return it? : daroach1414
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                Sure if halfway through the apple you bit into a worm, more than justified to return it. : fried sushi
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                  not the same. What if i just dont like the taste? : daroach1414
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                    You claim 'not the same' on his analogy when you are comparing a consumable product to a (theoretically) ... : GigiLeCheshire
                    • The analogy works because a game is a consumable product per se. Kinda like a movie or a book. You can ... : daroach1414
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                    yes you can certainly return it so long as you didnt eat all the apples. who the fuck only buys one apple... : cptstern
                    • I dont. but thats not the fuckin point. You can buy 1 apple if you want. : daroach1414
                  • A worm or inner rot would be the equivalent of a defective product. In the case of Diablo it would be an... : asianwaste
            • I kind of agree. I don't get why gaming is this massive different world. Unions, proper schedules, fundin... : avatar_58
          • Do you even need to ask? 1) server overload, even four week into the game. Now it seems to get better,... : dodopig
• Lucky Bastards. : massdev
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  Why does blizzard always have "unexpectedly high" number of users under launch day? It should be expecte... : Vividvoid
  • To be fair, I still get frequent bursts of lag, slingshotting back across the screen while just moving. : capt tripps
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  I've put 500 hours into this game....Didn't enjoy it, I'd like my money back. : SlingBlaze
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    Hey! Actually I 100% agree with the rules they setup. Up to level 40 and going forward up to level 20. I... : SlingBlaze
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      It is ridiculous this doesn't exist already. Like I said above, no other industry can get away with sell... : UberKalden
      • Especially with more publishers and games requiring/needing to be online. They know how much you've playe... : ShoCon
      • I think time is probably the only safe limit. Levels only exist in certain games and are far too arbitrar... : Vincent Grayson
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  The game sucks... a total snore fest. Wish I could get my money back, Diablo 3 was all hype and no qualit... : pizzaput
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    They gave refunds to anyone who called and asked for one in the first 30 days. But I'm sure that if the g... : BlackCat9
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      Thanks for the notice. It hasn't been 30 days since I purchased it so if what you say is true then I'll h... : pizzaput
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        god help us, the diablo 3 forums are leaking into the chatty : Rehevkor
        • Let them. The cream shall rise to the top. : Deathlove
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        Sounds like you played through the entire game and now you want a refund? I hope you're just trolling. : mrazzino
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          Where did you delusion the "played through the entire game" part from? Insanely powerful uncontrolled ima... : pizzaput
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            So, you unlocked, what, four of the hundreds of skills that your class has and decided it was shallow? Wa... : BlackCat9
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              Obviously significantly more than that. The gameplay has shown itself in full, as has the terrible writin... : pizzaput
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                I played the beta and realized it was a "snorefest" at that point, which wasn't helped by the ever-presen... : pjargon
                • Pjargon I agree with you totally. Glad someone out here put up a good example of Diablo's problems. : Hilux SSRG
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                  Diablo 1 and 2 had dated graphics when they were released too. : OmegaRed59
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                    A lot of folks rail on Diablo 3's graphics, but I want to know when has Blizzard ever pushed the boundari... : Peanut Fox
                    • I was actually pretty amazed at starcraft's graphics. : mobab
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                      While I can see your point (that Blizzard games almost always suck?), I don't think its just the technica... : pjargon
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                        It is. I agree. It looks quite lazy. : Peanut Fox
                        • I suppose I should append that it's a poor argument to lump in as a reason for a refund. : Peanut Fox
              • ^^this is the kind of people you're defending, Shacknews. : Wikus Van De Merwe
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              'hundreds of skills'. Slight exaggeration? : Fayk
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                Slightly. There's about 130 active skills and runes and another 16 passives for each class. Hardly shallo... : BlackCat9
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                  Except once you progress you are pretty much locked into a certain set and type of play or you won't be p... : lcizzle
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                    I don't get what you mean. There's nothing to stop you from changing your spec and trying something diffe... : BlackCat9
                    • As you progress, variety and choice is an illusion. You're really locked into a small subset of skills, ... : capt tripps
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                      What monk in Inferno doesn't use Serenity and Breath of Heaven? What demon hunter doesn't use Smokescreen... : sneakyalmond
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                        .... now? NT is garbage, and smokescreen is basically a crutch used to give glass cannon builds who have... : walker270
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                          Do you play without Vault? I can't imajine a world without it. : capt tripps
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                            I ditched vault in Act 2 Inferno. Used it to get Belial down initially, but that's it. Vault's pro... : walker270
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                              I like dark shadows with the gloom rune instead of vault. : Frozen Pixel
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                                I was face tanking Inferno Diablo w/ shadow power + gloom. The build was too rng in Phase 2 because of D... : walker270
                                • Oh, and Cluster Arrow + Loaded For Bear is my current wtfpwn ability. The hatred cost is ridiculous, but : walker270
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                          I was really referring to before the patch because the same principle still applies now. Inversely, w... : sneakyalmond
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                            A lot still use Nether Tentacles. Preparation + Focused Mind paired with Shadow Power + Gloom is centr : walker270
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                              Seems like a very small number of viable skills, doesn't it? : sneakyalmond
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                                You realize I went through the list of skills you provided and briefly explained viable Inferno builds/us... : walker270
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                                  Yes, and after your explanation, it still seems like a very small number of viable skills out of 650 skil... : sneakyalmond
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                                    ... 650? There's 23 base abilities and 15 passives. Each base ability has 6 variants, which gives you 1... : walker270
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                                      My mistake. Yes, and after your explanation, it still seems like a very small number of viable skills... : sneakyalmond
                                      • Okay? Well, it's not. Grenades and Strafe are two abilities I can't think of a single viable build th... : walker270
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                        I think that the discussion above shows that there's quite a bit of variety in what people can use in Inf... : BlackCat9
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                          Fair enough. But my thoughts while playing through Normal to Hell were always: Why should I use that when... : sneakyalmond
                          • You shouldn't! The point is that other people are going to like that over this and can use it. : DianeOfTheMoon
                  • And that stopped being true on Tuesday with 1.0.3. : walker270
          • "Blizzard sucks at gameplay as well as story." I just figured you actually finished the story to decid... : mrazzino
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            You can't win here. Either 1) You played a fraction of the game and decided it was balls and want you... : Mr. Goodwrench
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              Oh, he can have his money back if he didn't like the starting experience of the game. But I'm still going... : BlackCat9
              • I'm more than happy for people like him to NOT be playing. I don't want to deal with jaded annoying playe... : TheNiXXeD
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              Nobody gets money back for games to date, why is it starting now? : TheNiXXeD
              • "We've had slaves forever. Why free them now?" It's never too late to improve! : Ebu
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                What's that? If a console game wasn't working back in the 90's you could easily take it back. I've done i... : avatar_58
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                  No. Not being able to return PC software predates steam. This started in the late-90's/early-00's and... : walker270
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                    Except one can't pirate Diablo 3, so where's the problem? I need to be online so I don't pirate the game,... : avatar_58
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                      This, DRM only games should be able to be returned or at least re-sold. : Zero Hoki
                      • If it's online only like Diablo or WoW it should be easy to revoke the key and any access. I'm not sure w... : avatar_58
                      • Why does that even make sense? In this case for D3, the $60 is essentially a lifetime subscription. Why s... : TheNiXXeD
          • lol : opengl128
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            you sound very mad and butthurt : [fry]
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              Totally. Supporting a garbage quality game sucks. Thank god for refunds. : pizzaput
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                i imagined you saying this through a bleeding vagina and little bits of bloody spittle were shooting out ... : [fry]
                • why would the tampon not be opened tho if bleeding all over the place i mean isn't that what they are for... : xxiv
                • I'm wholly not surprised, Diablo 3 is shitty enough of a game to warrant that. It's the genuine shit deal... : pizzaput
                • This is Diablo 3 not Randy Pitchford or Steve Gibson talking about Borderlands. : lcizzle
          • http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/9/29/128671948335584956.jpg : VenDrake
          • Poor people and the new pirating. : devi| dog
          • LOL : jonin
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            You're going to get piled on for this, because HOW DARE YOU TALK SMACK ABOUT THIS GOLDEN PEGASUS OF A MAS... : virus
            • I don't really take issue with him not liking the game, moreso that he (like many others) feel they're en... : sonicstorm
    • I just got my refund. I was surprised by how easily the person on the phone gave it to me, but I guess th... : pizzaput
  • * F R O N T P A G E R * : mojoald
  • you want pizzaputs? : MamiyaOtaru
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  I watched a 5 min video of someone playing Diablo 3 - I imagine the entire game is like that 5 minutes, j... : Jobos
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    yes. do you know what the diablo series is about, by chance? repetitive play. getting loot. it seems ... : Downforce
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      Except Diablo 2 is a much more enjoyable game than Diablo 3 due to better writing, atmosphere, leveling o... : pizzaput
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        I think D2 was a niche release. very tight in design, for all its pros and cons. D3, the audience is MUCH... : Downforce
        • Haha Diablo 2 niche. Right : avatar_58
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          The only reason D3 has a larger audience is because the total gaming market is larger. The D2 release wa... : capt tripps
          • It was also the fastest selling PC game ever on it's release, if I remember correctly. : pizzaput
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        Diablo 2 had writing? There is 30 times the spoken words in D3 compared to D2. It's pretty easy for s... : SqueegyTBS
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          Sometimes less is more. I've started muting the dialoge in D3 and it's better for it. : capt tripps
          • The dialog and vocal delivery in D3 is goofy as shit, and contributes heavily to the lack of serious or d... : pizzaput
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        Diablo 2 was just as bad at launch if not worse than 3 was. So many completely unbalanced things, corpse ... : Chod
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          Corpse Explosion was just ridiculous. Our first run was a paly (me), sorc, necro, and amazon (I think? : walker270
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            Yeah I remember that. Also same problem with uniques being utter garbage out of the gate with rares being... : Chod
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              LoD sets and legendaries were the best, but it killed any gear diversity because everyone just used the s... : walker270
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                Yeah, agreed, they seem to have swung too far in the other direction. I still think it's easy to have rar... : Chod
                • Weapons aside, I think a lot of legendary armor is actually in a good place. They're not necessarily bet... : walker270
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                Rares should be better at equal level but a level 60 legendary shouldn't be equal or worse than a level 5... : lcizzle
                • Some are, some aren't. The best belt for melee is String of Ears, which is a level 53 legendary. The ... : walker270
              • Legendaries should be good-great. Rares should be trash-godly. : aethyr
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          I disagree: Unbalanced builds are FINE. Their interview even mentioned it! It's awesome to find a combo... : Ebu
          • Corpse Explosion was probably the most OP ability ever released in an rpg ever. : walker270
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      I just saw a post on the Blizzard D3 forums which I think puts it in fair terms: diablo 2 = dragon age... : pizzaput
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        Haha - a source from the blizzard forums? Have you lost your mind? Ive been playing Blizzard games s... : Dessicator82
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          Diablo 3 is far from genre defining, come on. It had plenty of potential and is held back by so much shor... : Mr. Goodwrench
          • Can you name a better game in the ARPG genre? D3 is the standard that every future ARPG will be measu... : Dessicator82
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            The skill system is genre defining. I doubt we'll be seeing many arpg's sticking with the Diablo 2 style... : walker270
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              I think the social stuff will get skipped, but RMAH is a long term revenue stream. Dev's will flock to t... : Dessicator82
              • RMAH requires the mmo design, though, which is a significant up-front investment on a genre that's little... : walker270
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              You're right on the skill system, that is a marked improvement over any other ARPG. For what it's wort... : Mr. Goodwrench
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                Yeah, I can. Diablo 2's long term community was fairly small, and (I believe) less than 1% of its to... : walker270
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                  Well, we're going to have to disagree. The game has some nice ideas and tried to fix some many of the ... : Mr. Goodwrench
                  • I think part of it is that I've just never liked Blizzard games. So many times I've tried to get into the... : Mr. Goodwrench
                  • " tried to fix some many of the more glaring flaws in D2 but they're poorly implemented" WHAT flaws??? ... : Yxalitis
              • With expansions, yes, I can see it. They're planning at least 2 this time around. : Frozen Pixel
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            I think EVERYONE forgets that Blizzard games BECOME classics because of the sheer amount of polish and HU... : HazeioN
            • You have no clue. Runewords were added by the expansion, which was a paid-for addon. : Curike
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        Just stop posting. A quick perusal of your posting history has you saying that Diablo 3 is one of the wor... : shred.
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          I know, there've been some real shit games released by prominent studios lately. : pizzaput
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            I'm calling this as a Phil or Fred Garvin character account. : Dessicator82
            • Bitch, please. : Phil
• Not only that - in France & Germany are looking into consumer protection complaints because of not clearl... : Lukiopimp
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  And what about all the people over here (Taiwan) who can't log in because the servers in Korea were limit... : MacemanInTW
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    Have you tried playing on the North American servers? I'm based in Korea but have been playing on NA sin... : bilbo202
    • I mostly play on the NA servers. The only reason I brought this up was because a large amount of my frie... : MacemanInTW
• Brilliant. About time Software producers properly tested their products before releasing them! : quatermass