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    By: Parad0x0mbie x Show Full Post
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    I felt like you guys were pretty unfair to ME3 complainers in this podcast. Jeff and Andrea acted as if anyone who would ask for an new ending was like an unappreciative child who didn't understand they can't always get what they want. No offense, but I felt like you guys came off as the petulant ones, asking for what you can't have by hopelessly trying to imposing your artistic ideals on Bioware and the industry at large.

    I think Bioware themselves addressed their critics far more appropriately, as fans and customers who have expressed both their dissatisfaction with part of a purchased product, as well as possible willingness to pay for more content.



    Mar 25, 2012 1:48pm PDT
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      • You are wrong. Consumers have EVERY RIGHT to demand satisfaction from their purchased product. Your multi... : GrandHarrier
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                                  • I'm amused how you throw around statements like 'spoilt brat' but then when faced with an argument you ca... : kadayi
          • Actually, the ending pretty much was exactly what your last paragraph said didn't happen. : GrandHarrier
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                      Oh well, except you and Jeff. You would fall to your knees and whisper "Ohh George! Ohh George you have... : DevSword
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