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  -Aiming for CY Q4 2011 release -Concept for BF3 has been in the works for years, waiting on proper tech ... : Vegtro
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    And with this being EA, console exclusive maps and dlc is a given. : baron calamity
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      There weren't any exclusive maps for BC2 though. : justwr!ght
      • let him have his anti-EA / anti-console moment : RikiTiki2
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        Except for onslaught mode... : dedgecko
        • I said maps :| : justwr!ght
  • God this is terrible news... because I have to wait til Q4 for it to arrive ;/ : etherboy
  • No mod tools booooooooooooooooooooo. Only a ton of new maps in the pipeline will off balance this blunde... : ant_hillbilly
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    Only four classes? Assault, Medic, Engineer, & Recon/sniper then. :/ : DM7
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      Medic, Engineer/AT, Support/Gunner, SpecOps, says I. : JarEme
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        Where is the dedicated assault class? That's a bread and butter archetype. : DM7
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          That would be the medic : Xencer
          • This worked great in 2142. : Rampancy
        • it might be that they have tiered assault rifle types for each class maybe. : comben
    • yeah, i'm pretty sure they'll keep it to the BC2 classes : RikiTiki2
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      I hope they give us some flexibility with our primary weapon. If I am a recon/sniper/spec ops I don't alw... : Dr_Cube
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        There was a couple of options for that in the general pool of weapons. The g3 I think it was got me and ... : catman1027
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          I still <3 and use the g3 for my engy : Xencer
          • Yeah, I switched to that not to long ago actually. I don't know why the hell I didn't use it earlier. I... : catman1027
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    Frostbite 2.0? Ouch! As much as I want to spent the $50-60 to buy on release day, the several patches m... : sukabljat
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      Or you know, they learned from their previous mistakes so it's good. Anyway, a game engine being called t... : Geoffrois
      • Yea, because the server browsers in: BF1942 BFV BF2 BF2142 BFBC2 Were all shining examples. ... : dedgecko
      • It's Fing DICE. I think we have all seen through the years that version 1.0 is always a half-ass launch ... : sukabljat
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        Learned from what, BF 1942, published in 2002? 8 years and they still have the worst UI and browser in ga... : u sir name
        • This a thousand times this : rosewood
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        It's not going to be any better. It's always an afterthought/low priority and at this point a horrible se... : Dr_Cube
        • And fuck the gaming "press" for never calling them on it, instead they pander to the PR dolts like usual.... : Beady
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      I never really associated Frostbite with the server browser issues. DICE always had crappy server browser... : Mansmells
      • Yes, which is why the op of this thread is derped : dedgecko
  • -"Fuck" will be used often, so M rated for sure and yet there will be servers that will boot you if you... : Turd Ferguson
  • cool, but all I really care is that you don't come to a full stop when you switch weapons actually I fee... : azuvatar
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    I'd be very surprised if it made it out this year :( : at0micgarden
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      I mean, does it seem like game devs for games this big EVER hit their mark? : bling1bling
      • Yes. : Wisp!
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    - Concept for BF3 has been in the works for years, waiting on proper tech to seamlessly come together ... : SkipperMcG
    • a proper server browser : shirif
    • The scale of environmental destruction, perhaps? : UtilityMaximizer
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      fat pipes. 64 players on a single server is unheard of. we are truly in the future. : devpaul
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        We were playing q3_dm17 64 players YEARS ago : rosewood
        • Not with the same level of data going through. You have a fully destructible environment. : Hemotoxin
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          we were playing starsiege tribes 128players YEARS ago : HisKillSkill
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            We were playing WoW with 8 million people YEARS ago : Crabs Jarrard
            • You win worst comparison ever. : bundy
    • The red/blue bug is finally squashed? : wytefang
  • Mod tools would be a luxury. We're lucky that the PC will get a lot of platform specific features. I am s... : Dr_Cube
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    Half these points are about BF single player. When has BF ever been about a single player game?! : sKetchflow
    • It's multiplatform and the console version demands single player content because too many console gamers ... : Dr_Cube
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      Call of Duty sold a billion copies : flasher 907
      • Which no one plays the mp for... gotta get me some more CoD sp! : dedgecko
  • I want some really good character customization options. I'd like some flexibility with the uniforms depe... : Dr_Cube
  • Holy. Shit. : hoov1185
  • This sounds amazing. : Hemotoxin
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    Killcam?! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s : VivaMachete
    • wasn't a problem in BFBC2. : dedgecko
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    Other Info No Dolphin diving http://twitter.com/Demize99/status/34341901498847232 No Zip-lines/Grapp... : watcherxp
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      Excellent though I would like Zip-lines/Grapples in an expansion so I can get to cool hiding places or sn... : Dr_Cube
      • i *loved* those in the SF expansion pack for Bf2 : watcherxp
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      I hope it's not a one hit kill knife :( : DrWaffles
      • I would think it will be for backstabs : watcherxp
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        Why not? I never really had a problem in bc2 with the knifes. : catman1027
        • well, in vanilla you can get off two or three shots at someones torso and it wont drop them before they a... : comben
      • The "lock on auto guide lunging" knife attack is so lame. The guy just flys through the air not even clos... : gyokuro
    • All of those sound just fine to me. : catman1027
    • Gragagagah, i hate twitter Q&A ... god dammit. : bundy
  • i cant fucking wait to fianlly see a gameplay video or a staged in engine scene or whatever, i dont even ... : HisKillSkill
  • thank you very much for the heads up. this sounds pretty damn promising to me. : comben
  • Co-op in sp is the most important imo. All the other stuff is cool, but I probably won't notice much. I w... : Fenring42
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    Controller support? WHERE IS CONTROLLER SUPPOOOORT!? : Cliffzorz
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      Wut? Why would you want that? : Flinz
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        For flying, most likely : Empyric
        • there was joystick support in BF2 - did they drop that in BC2? : Flinz
      • Because there is no excuse not to have it. If it's truly a PC game it should have support for all control... : Cliffzorz
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    hahaha told you no mod tools. This is going to be the same bullshit they pulled with BC2. : Godhatesfatpeople
    • They need to look at that as its the next level, and Bungie already has gone through 2 iterations of a co... : dedgecko
  • Oooh god, sounds totally awesome! : utgaardsloke
  • No modtools due to complexity is such a bs excuse. They could throw them up completely unsupported and wi... : Floppygrandma
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  **** YEA!!! Oh, sorry, it's a Rated M game. Can you fix that DICE? : dedgecko
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    Why? Not letting people under 18 buy the game is pretty awesome IMO. : MagicWishMonkey
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      You're missing a critical piece of this puzzle MWM... : dedgecko
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        What? I suck at puzzles : MagicWishMonkey
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          BFBC2 was rated M for mature, but the word Fuck (and other swear / naughty words) was censored from in ga... : dedgecko
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            huh? i'm pretty sure i heard a few in the game. at least i think i did : RikiTiki2
            • that's the irony of it all... : dedgecko
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              Your character swore like a drunken sailor, but if you tried to type anything it would just make it all #... : AgentPothead
              • why would you type to sweets? : RikiTiki2
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            That was fixed about a billion patches ago. In fact it's a server setting now. : Dschinghis Khan
            • Do you think it will correct on day one? I don't. : dedgecko
          • Oh really? I didn't realize that. I play on 360 and mute everyone. : MagicWishMonkey
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          he starred out the word fuck in his post, implying just as in-game, you cannot type FUCK in game, but you... : .ka`boom.zZz.
          • isn't freedom of speech great? : bling1bling
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  Too bad about mod tools. Still can't wait! : justwr!ght
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    hopefully map tools for the PC get released : stgdz
    • I'd be fine with no mod tools if they put a map editor out. I doubt will get either though. : pyide
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  Yuck...shame they're wasting their time and resources on a grand single-player campaign. The multiplayer... : PenicillinX57
  • http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=25213281#itemanchor_25213281 : Dr_Cube
  • I just want them to make it useful. They need to do one short campaign for each class that covers their v... : pulse2115
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  Frostbite 2.0 engine lighting demo from SIGGRAPH 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=foXVF7q035Y : watcherxp
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    In the first scene it seems like light is just flaring out of the walls, what do they have like a 90% lig... : Xencer
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      damn http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=foXVF7q035Y#t=213s : at0micgarden
      • palm tree means one thing....1943 for FB2.0 !!! : flasher 907
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      That acutally looks like a mirror's edge scene where the light bounces were artisitically exaggerated. : SpaecKow
      • And while I am very happy for all BF fans I really hope they're working on ME2 :( : SpaecKow
  • that looks like fuckin MIRRORS EDGE MAKE IT PLEASE : Yanks
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  So has anyone pre-ordered it yet? : catman1027
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    Why? there's no reason to preorder shit these days, except beta access, which is nothing more than a glo... : dedgecko
    • Was just curious. : catman1027
    • Buy from Gamestop! Get Early Beta Access and Unlock the Golden Cock! : Vegtro
    • ... yeah? : bundy
  • I probably will if the preorder is available on steam. I want the steam version, not a stand alone versio... : Dr_Cube
  • I did on Amazon. If I find a better deal I can always CANCEL it. : Sailor of Fortune
• Thanks for this. PC as the main focus is music to my ears. Kind of spoilerskates with that earthquake b... : bling1bling
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  FYI, the game looks pretty damn beautiful (scans not allowed on the shack, but they're not hard to find e... : dedgecko
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    Yea I await the point where I see a building I want to go into so I try to shoot the door down with a gre... : ant_hillbilly
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      ...where there any buildings in BC2 that you couldn't go into? : TheVietSpecial
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        way to miss the point, the huge story building colapsing from the earthquake might just be some backgroun... : HisKillSkill
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          Well my point was that everything was destructible in BC2. ant_hillbilly was saying that he awaits the p... : TheVietSpecial
          • Africa harbor. The long line of stores where you need to blow up the garage to get access to the mcom. ... : ant_hillbilly
          • But not every structure could be leveled to the ground in BC2 (massive warehouses, construction sites-lar... : dedgecko
          • Not everything - port valdez, the girder buildings, tanker crates etc : Milleh
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  http://twitter.com/Demize99/status/33913570819317761# :D : HisKillSkill
  • hah yes but I wish people would learn this lesson about WoW and MMOs. : SpaecKow
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    damn straight! (but i still think they will copy some MW2 elements like BC2 did) : gyokuro
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      theres nothing wrong about copying the good stuff while keeping your own gameplay style : HisKillSkill
      • offhand grenades, hrmmm...maybe. Offhand knife...oh god no! : gyokuro
  • people don't buy COD because it's a better shooter they buy it because it's COD : flasher 907
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  HATE unlocks, I can only play a few hours a week. after 4 weeks I dont want to join up and get killed in... : radula
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    BC2 unlocks weren't bad at all, once you unlock 2-3 items you can easily stand up against pretty much any... : MagicWishMonkey
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      once you unlock the m60 you mean? : shirif
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        I was pwning fools way before the m60! : MagicWishMonkey
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          MG36 > M60 anyways : deject
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            Wrong, XM8 LMG > M249 > MG36 > M60 > MG3 : coldfusioncs
            • PKM > All, it's like a fucking machine gun sniper rifle. : JozhGoober
            • Surely he's right then? : patters666
  • good unlocks don't unbalance, they just provide alternate methods of approaching a target. a good game h... : grifter
  • BC2 had a pretty decent unlock system going. Just about all the weapons were pretty decent. usually jus... : catman1027
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    Unlocks only make the game SLIGHTLY easier for people. If you are a good player you will still be able to... : Hemotoxin
    • as long as its not extra health or armour. I hate firing first in a shootout, landing more shots and losi... : radula
  • As a newb there was a perception the unlocks were totally unfair if you didn't have them. But to be quite... : flasher 907
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    This, I am really starting to LOATHE unlocking shit to be 100% competitive in these games. I am in the sa... : Milleh
    • Also, a lot of the unlocks are far better than their non unlocked counterparts. ex: Gustav, many of th... : Milleh
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  does anyone secretly wish they dropped single player entirely? I mean i guess its good they are putting i... : gyokuro
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    no, the single player campaigns for BC & BC2 were really fun. nothing groundbreaking, but fun. it doesn'... : grifter
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      well the "other" team could be making MORE MAPS for multiplayer instead : gyokuro
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        if the game was mp only, they most likely wouldn't have the other team at all. : grifter
        • ^this : cellx25
  • No. By making both multiplayer and singleplayer they cater to both groups of people buying their game. : Hemotoxin
  • I always preferred to go through at least a few levels of single player before hoping into a multi match.... : catman1027
  • SP is there for the first two weeks that it takes DICE / EA to un-fuck their server problems since they d... : dedgecko
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    Yes. The single player of Bad company 1 is a piece of shit. I didn't bother playing it in the 2nd one. : razlebol
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      I played both and I was pretty disappointed. Not that great. They should just drop it. : jamesray
      • I thought this for a long time, until I replayed the single player in BC2 again and found it fun. It's n... : spyrext
    • BC2 was not that bad. : utgaardsloke
  • No. It's just an added bonus and it'll help sales of the console version. Plus, there is supposedly a coo... : Dr_Cube
  • Secretly? No, I'd make no secret about it. Fuck singleplayer, I buy Battlefield game it's to get my multi... : locater16
  • yes, seriously : orgcaptainnemo
  • I still think there's a way to make a fun single player campaign, but putting you on a rail and throwing ... : Geoffrois
  • No, what's the point in that? It's just a bonus if you want to play it. : TheVietSpecial
  • I didn't play the BC2 SP. But that was largely because the FOV fix didn't work for SP. How ironic. : flasher 907
  • BF 1942 BF2 and BF2142 didn't have single player, why should BF3 be any different? : watcherxp
  • entirely? FUCK NO. there needs to be at least one level for people to say " go practice flying in SP you... : Downforce
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    I dont think it's possible anymore for a AAA FPS title to be multi-only. Barring the TF2/MNC types but ev... : moe6
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      Do you really think BF3 would sell badly if it didn't have any MP? I don't think so. : razlebol
      • no but DICE isn't releasing this on their own :P. We all know things about games, we all want them to com... : moe6
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        No MP in BF3 would cause it to sell a lot less, that's pretty much given : utgaardsloke
        • Err.. I meant SP : razlebol
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  4classes....hrm. I hope they change up the roles a bit. Make the recon/sniper more squad friendly and no... : gyokuro
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    Agree. The other classes seem to support each other well, but every recon I see stays miles away from the... : Hemotoxin
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      There were quite a few of us that knew how to play recon as part of the squad --- spam motion sensors and... : dedgecko
      • if you use C4 you can kick some serious ass too. Taking down buildings to crush MCOMs and people inside. ... : gyokuro
      • 25% is not enough for me. Half of the games I join my team loses because if you look on the minimap th... : Hemotoxin
    • I wonder if you could boost this by having sniping accuracy increase if you are aiming near (or have in y... : Beady
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  Well deserved insult to Valve: -Dice trying to find a good balance between customization of your characte... : gyokuro
  • Valve to EA We've got Steam, what you got? Oh that's right... chuckle... guffaw... please--MAKE IT ST... : dedgecko
  • I want a spec ops/recon class that looks splinter cell-ish. : Dr_Cube
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    Unlockable/buyable apparel that only served a visual effect would be cool though! kneepads, helmets, rigs... : utgaardsloke
    • It's going to be in since SpecACT sold ok. : moe6
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  In other words most of their efforts are centered around A. better engine, ok I can't help but be int... : thebigbeefsandwich
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    you sure didnt read this thread enough http://twitter.com/Demize99/status/33913570819317761# : HisKillSkill
    • And what does cod not have yet? Mod tools, hell even a sand box level to built shit in, ala Forge 2.0 : dedgecko
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  here's hoping for some naval combat and by naval I mean destroyers, cruisers, and subs. Not this gun b... : stgdz
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    I laugh at your hopes. : ant_hillbilly
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      I laugh a bit, and also cry. Because without the wide breadth of vehicular combat that naval combat bring... : pyide
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        I would love a new map where it has similar gameplay elements to wake island but the location is the Hong... : ant_hillbilly
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          another angle. http://www.hflight.net/blahdocs/uploads/chek_lap_kok_international_airport__hongkong__c... : ant_hillbilly
          • :D : Milleh
• I'm in love with everything I read and saw except the 4 classes. Big let down there. Why make it like BC2... : mystifier
• Whiners all of you! Du dun dun du du dun! : Hemtroll
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  more unlocks is a bad thing, the rest sounds great. well maybe aside from the 7 tonnes of DLC coming our ... : moshman
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    oh yeah, the squad thing "later". what? no! : moshman
    • I think its info on the squad thing, not adding squads after release.. : bundy
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    No, unlocks are ace! Just be careful to make them not too powerful, but mostly visual : utgaardsloke
    • nah, they are tedious when you just don't have the time to pour into a game any more. As well as that I... : moshman
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  Pleeease give me sideways leaning : Flinz
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    NO! It's patched out of your version! : moshman
    • but srsly after playing stalker, BC2 feels like playing stickfigures : Flinz
  • only if you can also roll while prone with the lean keys like America's Army. : pyide
  • It will be a 360 exclusive feature and require Kinect. : LilCrypto
  • I too wish for this. : Hemotoxin
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    when has lean ever been done well? its always kind of silly : spiderfill
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      i think it's great to lean out from the side of a building or something : moshman
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        its annoying as shit to awkwardly position yourself at the optimal location only to have the lean be too ... : spiderfill
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          maybe if you're using a console controller. And it's not as if you don't learn how far the lean is over t... : moshman
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            99% of lean in FPS has been on PC. you do learn but that doesnt make it not annoying as shit : spiderfill
            • well I disagree, so NER! : moshman