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    So, X-Com. A FPS.

    I think the real thing that led everyone into flipping out isn't just the divergence from the turn based shooter. It's that after years and years of zero use of the license, for the first use of it, they pull out an FPS. So they're using this old license, that means absolutely nothing to the vast majority of gamers, and they turn it into something totally non-traditional. What audience are they trying to appeal to? The older games are wondering where there turns are, while the newer ones have no reason to care about this old license. It just seems like an odd situation.

    And not just that, because I'm even curious to see what they do with it, but I just wish they would have pulled a Bionic Commando or Dark Void and also announced a smaller throwback game in the classic XCom style. I mean, Poor Yurik was sitting here saying that he didn't see anyone pulling out XCom to play it. Well, that's not true for me. I do keep digging out X-Com, but it's a really old game. It could use a coat of 2010 polish, and I think there could be a really great modern game there. I mean why else should the 2010 world have an interest in this old license?

    Plus, to be honest, I had heard the rumors and had gotten worked up on what I thought they would do (ie turn based), and likely I wasn't the only one.

    So, XCom FPS. I'll watch what happens, I'm sure it'll do at least some neat things, but it'll be like re-meeting your childhood crush and finding out they took a 90' turn and now they're someone totally different. Nice to see them, but not what you were hoping for. But perhaps it's the folly of our expectations as gamers. :\ Hope people don't mind me rehashing this topic, if it's obnoxious I'll can the post.
    Apr 15, 2010 5:32am PDT
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      They should just move the camera to a 3rd person isometric view and force people to move in turns. Tad... : MagicWishMonkey
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        They should have done something more like Valkyria Chronicles imo. : Haku-JinThis person is cool!
        • Oh that would be interesting. : MagicWishMonkey
        • That would be awesome! Sadly, I have a feeling it won't be. :( : DM7
        • This would be great. : SigmaDraconis
        • I would never be able to play this game because every time I tried there I wouldn't be able to stop pumpi... : OmahaThis person is cool!
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      stoking the fires some more, are we? : RikiTiki2
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        It's because console gamers have short attention spans and are stupid! LOL! : Rehevkor
        • I realize you were joking but I really think there is some truth in that statement (though I'll avoid the... : gokwyjibo
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      I see Syndicate working much better as a FPS than X-COM. : Mad Brahmin DiseaseThis person is cool!
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        Pardon? : abrasionThis person is cool!
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          Oui? : Mad Brahmin DiseaseThis person is cool!
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            I basically think you should stop going down that train of thought about syndicate being an fps because t... : abrasionThis person is cool!
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              Stop living in the past, uprush'n : Mad Brahmin DiseaseThis person is cool!
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                I'm so so sick of X game being converted into a dopey fucking FPS. I can imagine a 3'rd person Syndic... : abrasionThis person is cool!
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                  Has an old school series ever been re-invented to critical acclaim like that? Seems like every time th... : MagicWishMonkey
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                    Exactly, imagine a 3'rd person 3D syndicate but quite a way back (Dragon Age distance?) with excellent gr... : abrasionThis person is cool!
                    • I never played Syndicate :( : MagicWishMonkey
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          Syndicate has more of a universe and story that would make senses to pick up and move to another genre.. ... : baron calamityThis person is cool!
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            I'm seeing a lot of previously cool shackers sully their reputation with silly posts today and it saddens... : abrasionThis person is cool!
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              I hate how people become uncool with a bad post. It's always so tragic when we talk about games on the Sh... : geedeckThis person is cool!
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                It's ok man I was probably uncool on my very first page of posts 10 years ago :( : abrasionThis person is cool!
                • a decade-long legacy! : Majuju
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                Did he just say rings are cool? : MagicWishMonkey
                • No, he said they were stupid : Dragomier89
          • It seems less shocking mainly because the Syndicate gameplay is weaker than X-Com's. : guigr
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        Yeah! Totally. I mean Syndicate sounds like it should have been a squad based shooter like 3 years ago du... : geedeckThis person is cool!
        • Not much of a fan of the squad based shooters but imagine a cyberpunk'ish open world co-op shooter, with ... : Mad Brahmin DiseaseThis person is cool!
      • Syndicate Wars might work well as an FPS. : Marrbe
      • I see you'd like a beating with an electron mace : Alpha Class Android
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      Appealing to all the kiddies. I think it'll be a multi-platform release and will be sub par. I'd love to ... : usmcmueller
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        Sounds like they are basically making a new F.E.A.R. game and calling it X-COM : MagicWishMonkey
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          if it's good, then good : RikiTiki2
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            Just rename it to alien invasion then. : ajvitaly
            • and if it tells a great story and is immersive, we lose out on a good X-Com game, and X-Com will continue... : RikiTiki2
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            I know, but it's not really XCOM The XCOM story didn't really make the game. The strategy and planning... : MagicWishMonkey
            • yeah if they take out all the patrolling, researching, bases, and tactical portions of it... it's not XCO... : usmcmueller
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              if that's all x-com is, then would an x-com set in the roman empire, using the same gameplay mechanics, a... : RikiTiki2
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                No, because the Romans didn't have superior technology. Researching new blaster rifles and whatnot wou... : MagicWishMonkey
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                  researching new composite bows and efficient greek fires and catapults does : RikiTiki2
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                    You can't blow up a gas station with a composite bow. : MagicWishMonkey
                    • No, but you could light the pitch that you had carefully planted during your setup phase. ...there wou... : dedgecko
                    • John Rambo disagrees : usmcmueller
      • But who would be these kiddies that would be interested in X-Com? I don't see how they build excitement : geedeckThis person is cool!
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      ugh please as if there weren't enough shitty x-com cash-ins to ruin your silly crush. this is GOOD. : packav
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        No! That just makes my point! I need a good one. And it's not like there haven't been other decent ones, ... : geedeckThis person is cool!
        • In truth I didn't read your post :E but I did now and I agree with you. Its nice to see xcom handled by a... : packav
        • Have you looked at UFO:AI? It's an open source XCom style game with aliens. : DianeOfTheMoon
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      This is an award-winning strategy, geedeck. Just look what it did for the Shadowrun series. lol : silent prophet
      • Oh god why did you do that to me >:0==== : geedeckThis person is cool!
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      I've been waiting for this day for a decade. http://scans.roushimsx.com/Voodoo_Winter_1998_Page038.jpg ... : roushimsxThis person is cool!
      • UFO ET wasn't nearly as good as the original and Apocalypse while alright you pretty much had to play in ... : ChodThis person is cool!
      • I don't know if it's as simple as that. I mean I've got a copy of Rebelstar for the GBA, and I really rea... : geedeckThis person is cool!
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        See, Alliance made sense 10 years ago, but the market these days is way beyond saturated with generic hum... : Mad Brahmin DiseaseThis person is cool!
        • What better way to draw attention to your generic humans vs aliens shooter? : baron calamityThis person is cool!
        • Apocalypse sucked, by the way, even in its faux-turn-based mode. : Mad Brahmin DiseaseThis person is cool!
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        Microprose couldn't figure out how to do Xcom in first person. One of the reasons why Alliance was never ... : baron calamityThis person is cool!
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          Oh yea, Micropose was that company that's well known for making awesome first person shooters such as... ... : roushimsxThis person is cool!
          • Well Klingon Honor Guard had some good levels. Just not the first one, which for some reason the testers ... : baron calamityThis person is cool!
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    • Maybe they needed something to use to lengthen their use of a game engine and thought X-Com would work? : The KeyThis person is cool!
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      Well, first off I think most of the people bitching have never played the original, or don't really care ... : melt_coreThis person is cool!
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        The only reason I care about the game is because I played the original. Which is not enough to be interes... : JonathanThis person is cool!
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          Why is it that gamers always have negative anticipations? "We don't know shit but we know it will suck... : melt_coreThis person is cool!
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            I didn't say it would suck, just that it would be generic. Most FPS are left behind once the next FPS com... : JonathanThis person is cool!
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              same thing. : melt_coreThis person is cool!
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                I think you're the one with the negative opinion then. Why can't I be blandly generically neutral on this... : JonathanThis person is cool!
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                  "generic" has never been a positive or neutral feat. Try telling a woman she looks "generic" in her new d... : melt_coreThis person is cool!
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    • Having never played X-Com i would buy an indie homage/remake that's only $10 in a heartbeat. Make it So! : KleboldThis person is cool!
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      Jesus, shut the fuck up already. You don't know anything about the game other than it being an FPS, so ju... : Drewus
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        Thanks Drewus, I appreciate your understanding. I'm sorry for talking about a video game. : geedeckThis person is cool!
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          Not you in particular, just the general consensus that the game is going to suck. Despite the fact that n... : Drewus
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            Gotcha. I'm optimistically curious about it, I just question their branding and approach for a long fallo... : geedeckThis person is cool!
            • This is why they say developers shouldn't always listen to the audience. Quite often they can't see much ... : spiderfill
            • so at what point are "older gamers" no longer the preferred target for games? Are we there yet? Think ... : johnheadThis person is cool!
          • The game might be great, I just don't see how it is going to have any of the game play that made the 1994... : baron calamityThis person is cool!
          • Geedeck didn't say it was going to suck though. He said it makes no sense to use the license if you're n... : WhatIsThisFor
    • Well put. It just comes across as IP exploitation and not a work of passion or tribute. Let's hope I am w... : Fred GarvinThis person is cool!
    • i still play the original xcom all the time. It's a great little game : deadfish
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        I guess it's mainly, I would like to see this FPS game, but it's like sex with no foreplay. We've not rea... : geedeckThis person is cool!
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        Oh, you go and die. Shadowrun was fucking awesome, minus the occasional network issue. : Clasifyd
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          hahahahaha so you were the one. : Mad Brahmin DiseaseThis person is cool!
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            It's really not a bad game... just doesn't even come close to comparing to the 16-bit RPG's. : CyCo_PLThis person is cool!
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          But, it's a great parallel. It's restarting a fallow license in a non-traditional way with no re-introduc... : geedeckThis person is cool!
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            I think Shadowrun was worse, though, in that it discarded basically all the existing lore and continuity.... : ArcanumThis person is cool!
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              Capitalize?!? I bet no one in their right mind would want to bet millions of dollars on reviving xcom. I ... : spiderfill
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      Still lolling at that screenshot. : ryuusekiThis person is cool!
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        yeah. that made no sense to me. why choose that? : hamachiThis person is cool!
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      I really wish rather than just announcing it they had gone live on press NDAs and let us read previews an... : CarnivacThis person is cool!
      • It has to be on purpose. They had to know going in that their X-com was going to generate this strong rea... : baron calamityThis person is cool!
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      we need a little VC to fund a xcom game for the iPad (damn you, civ:rev) : lordloboThis person is cool!
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      Never played any of them so I have no particular nostalgia for the series. But I do like turn-based games... : Attica Blue
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        Well that's why I mentioned the smaller new retro games of BC and DV, where's that? : geedeckThis person is cool!
        • Yeah, I hear you, but I see even that as a financial decision. Why should they make X-Com into a "small" ... : Attica Blue
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      The last one I had an interest in was X-COM: Enforcer (A third-person shooter). : SylvanusThis person is cool!
      • God, that game was horrible. : The Grolar Bear
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      geedeck, I agree. I think that would have been good publicity to release a smaller game in the original ... : CrustaRThis person is cool!
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      This may sound like heresy, but I played xcom for the first time a few years ago. It was too hard and too... : crummynzThis person is cool!
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      The other problem is that there are TONS and TONS of FPS games released every year, and very few turn bas... : pyrogenThis person is cool!
      • I don't think so but apparently game designers do :( : WhatIsThisFor
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      The DS would be an awesome platform for a remake. : bolneze
      • Considering they've already ported Jagged Alliance to the DS, I agree. I mean hell, ex-XCom devs made Reb... : Haxim
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        The problem is, this game shouldn't be a FPS. This game needs to be an FPS the way Madden needs to be an ... : Vegetolo
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          Planescape: Torment: FPS. : Marrbe
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          well no, it being an FPS doesn't fit in with your pre-conceived views of the IP. any game universe could... : mikecybThis person is cool!
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          Metroid shouldn't have been an FPS either. but Metroid Prime was a fucking amazing game : zerog83This person is cool!
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            If this were a turn based or squad based FPS then it would still retain some the original X-COM gameplay.... : WhatIsThisFor
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              where does it say anything about the gameplay at all in the press release? : mikecybThis person is cool!
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      here's my theory about strategy games, and why we're seeing an X-com FPS game and not an X-com TBS game: ... : DeBurgoThis person is cool!
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