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• Just go plasma, problem solved. : afrochops
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  Yes. Also 120 Hz or better will be 3D ready when Avatar comes out on Bluray. : Sailor of Fortune
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    Really? Got any links with info about this? I don't think HDMI 1.4 is shipping on any TV right now, isn... : WhatIsThisFor
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      Nope, bluray 3d will work with older hdmi. The ps3 is confirmed to support 3d, and it does not have 1.4. : DogDharma
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        I'm not convinced. An article I read (on Ars I think) specifically said that the PS3 was unique in this ... : WhatIsThisFor
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          Right because of processing power mod likely. Not because of hdmi 1.4. The ps3 doesn't have it, and there... : DogDharma
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            Why do people think you'd need a new level of HDMI? Movies are already less than 30fps, so you don't nee... : DinK
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              Because the Bluray 3D spec requires 1.4. Simply put, you've got to send two 1080p images every "frame" i... : WhatIsThisFor
              • Hmm, I'm having a hard time finding the article where I read that. I guess 1.4 may not be required after : WhatIsThisFor
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                I was getting at the fact that movies are less than 30fps so you could send a 3D movie over 60Hz. You'd ... : DinK
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                  To do 3D don't you need to do 48fps instead of 24fps? I know that Avatar runs at a much higher frame rat... : WhatIsThisFor
                  • Avatar just runs 2 sets of frames, so it still comes out to be the same. : Sailor of Fortune
                  • Exactly, and it's quite possible to send 48fps over a 60Hz video connection. But the devices have to kno... : DinK
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    Not true. The vast majority of 120 Hz TVs do not support 120 Hz inputs. : cltcprd
    • That's what I thought. I was about to buy a P54V10 but have decided to hold off and wait for 3D to get i... : WhatIsThisFor
    • Yeah, that's a good point. : enyakk
    • Pretty much nothing except for some DLP HDTVs and two or three LCD computer monitors. : TrptJim
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  My mom bought an LED TV and it's 120Hz.. Seems anytime she puts on a bluray movie, the TV drops the Hz ... : kingdepork
  • Yeah my non-120Hz Samsung LCD does this. : CrabsJarrard
  • It doesn't drop the Hz to 24, it displays each frame 5 times. : cltcprd
  • Umm, it fits 5 frames per single 1 of the 24 Hz, so of course it's going to look like 24Hz. That's the po... : Sailor of Fortune
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    Personally I'd prefer it if it did that. The frame rate up-scaling fucks with my eyes; makes all kinds o... : Rotten Deadite
    • That's Interpolation effect those TV's have enabled. Turn it off and it'll be better and the screen is st... : Sailor of Fortune
    • That's unrelated and can be disabled. : Conan
  • no that is probably the input source is 24Hz, which is true. Most Bluray movies are 24fps or 24Hz. : Shadowdane
  • Hz has to be one of the most easily misunderstood consumer electronic word since Mhz in terms of CPU spee... : gokart.
  • Mine invents frames. Sometimes it works out well, and it really complements the director's vision. Other ... : Dave-A
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    That's essentially the POINT. 24 is an even division of 120. On a 60 hz set it couldn't do that without u... : Conan
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      So when I hit the info button on the remote and it shows 24Hz, it's still 60? : CrabsJarrard
      • That's the input signal, not the output. : cltcprd
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        That info is what the source signal rate is. : Sailor of Fortune
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          When I'm in windows, I can set the display to 24Hz, 30Hz and all that up to 60. It caps my games a 24fps ... : CrabsJarrard
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            What I'm getting at is - this seems just like my old CRT. When I change modes on the TV I can feel the di... : CrabsJarrard
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              Most will not take a 120hz signal, no. There are some that will, like Samsung's 2233RZ - basically anythi... : Conan
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                but thats a pc monitor, not a tv : HisKillSkill
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                  Fine, then go with a Mitsubishi DLP. They have some that can do it. : Conan
                  • You are right, but you need to use some low ass resolution because you would need a dual link dvi input t... : HisKillSkill
            • I might be wrong, but theres no 120hz HDTV that can accept a 120hz signal, do in the end you would be stu... : HisKillSkill
          • No, at 24hz your HD-DVD's are actually showing 1 frame/screen refresh, vs. any other resolution that's no... : one random winner
          • Your games cap at 24fps because your computer is generating the source signal which you're limiting to 24... : DinK
  • my projector actually doesn't do this, some people hate if because they want the movie look, but I think ... : moshman
  • If it was 24 hz, it would be flashing like a strobe light. : bipolar
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  My father in law got one on christmas eve. that shit is hard to get used to. its hard to describe how dif... : maulla
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    Turn it off. AMP (in the case of Samsung TVs) makes me crazy. : cltcprd
    • Yeah, its AMP, not the 120Hz. It's on my tv. I have it on but on the low setting so its not looking l... : pimpium
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      He bought an LG, I'll have to look into it : maulla
      • Look for some Auto Motion setting. : cltcprd
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      i really only use it when i'm watching sports [low setting], and even then i don't miss it if i forget to... : FrayLo
      • I just leave it off, I'm too lazy to turn it on when watching something different. : cltcprd
  • if it looks weird, there is some form of post-processing effect being done on the set. look for an option... : gokart.
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  I hate that shit. Fucks with the picture too much. : Deathlove
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    That's interpolation. It's essentially unrelated to 120hz and can be disabled. : Conan
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      I'm really surprised a lot of people associate that with the 120Hz. Higher refresh rates on a monitor or ... : Sailor of Fortune
      • CRTs are different because the light source and the image are the same thing. More refresh = less flicke... : qsylvr
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      That's not actually true. Many (most?) TVs don't let you disable the motion interpolation without also d... : qsylvr
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        That's bullshit. Most absolutely allow you to do this. : Conan
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          And I only say "most" because I'm sure there's some budget line out there that doesn't, but I've never se... : Conan
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            Are we talking about 24 hz playback from a Blu-Ray player or general 3:2 pulldown removal? Because I agr... : qsylvr
            • All we're talking about is 24hz playback. That's it. : Conan
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  another vote for plasma. Problem solved. : malloc
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    Plasmas still do a 3:2 pulldown. : cltcprd
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      Some do, some don't. My v10 doesn't. : xylothan
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        So what you are saying is that they like LCDs in that regard? : cltcprd
        • Yeah. Plasmas use 48hz or 96hz to avoid pulldown(48hz has too much flicker for my taste). : TrptJim
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  I've got the Samsung 6000 LED/LCD and it's fantastic. I had to tweak it a bit to get rid of some of the ... : sonik887
  • What are your settings? I got the 8000 55" : pun][sher
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    What'd you do to get rid of the camcorder look? I have the 5500 and when I first got it, it looked just ... : iamgoat
    • AMP, Auto Motion Plus should be the name on Samsungs : Sailor of Fortune
• He's right on that point. There's also the frame interpolation they usually have, which some like but ma... : DinK
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  can someone tell me why they are called 120hz althought they CANT accept a 120hz signal (only a few pc mo... : HisKillSkill
  • Because they can't do 120Hz. : CrabsJarrard
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    They are, yes. The benefit doesn't come from interpolation, but even display of the frames. A 120hz panel... : Conan
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      so they are 120hz panels without 120hz input? (dual link dvi) : HisKillSkill
      • Yea but they can take a 24hz input which is all you really need. : DogDharma
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    Just like how the very first 1080p TVs couldn't actually accept a 1080p signal, the panel itself is 120Hz... : DinK
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      wait, so what was the point of having a 1080p tv that can't accept a 1080p signal? : HisKillSkill
      • A flat panel that could actually resolve a 1080i image, most likely. : DinK
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        they display 1080i deinterlaced : electroly
        • or 1080 at all, since most panels were down near 720p before that even though they'd take a 1080i signal.... : DinK
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  in Britian the sony's do 100Hz not 120Hz. I think its 120Hz cause in US its 60Hz : gyokuro
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    PAL is 50Hz, NTSC is 60Hz : Sailor of Fortune
    • zacly : moshman
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    Do they still handle 24Hz with even pulldown? : uncleanmonkey
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      I just read about this the other day - interestingly, there isn't a lot of 24 hz media. Movies on PAL fo... : bipolar
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        Hmm really no wonder I've always thought British movies looked weird... if they filmed at 25hz wouldn't ... : Shadowdane
        • Well, (standard def) tv sets in the us aren't 24 hz, they are 60i. So I suppose they could do some kind ... : bipolar
        • 24-25 and 25->24 are done by playing the the same frames at a lower or faster rate. Its a speed change r... : extrahappyturtle
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  120/240 is good because you can watch those 24fps blue-rays without the pull down. BUT turn off the Motio... : kelbane
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    What is pulldown? : mlev
    • nevermind, googled it : mlev
    • http://www.zerocut.com/tech/pulldown.html : Sailor of Fortune
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  Get a plasma, LCDs look like ass anyway : Serpico74
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    LCDs are rapidly catching up to Plasmas. http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-un55b8500/4505-6... : cltcprd
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      Not in price points yet. But that 8500 series tv does look awesome when I saw it in store. : ant_hillbilly
      • My point was that Serpico said that LCDs look like ass, which isn't true for all LCDs. : cltcprd
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      I think they surpassed them starting 1 year ago. : Sailor of Fortune
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        depends on your definition of surpassed. They still don't match the Kuro's black levels. : cltcprd
        • I think the black levels on my Samsung looks great. I compared them to what was there at the time in Best... : Sailor of Fortune
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        LCDs cannot touch a Kuro or good Panasonic plasma for black level or color accuracy. I have yet to see an... : Serpico74
        • ^^ This is what kills me about LCD. I have seen some lcd that look great but in a dark room they have poo... : GonzoRookie
        • There are a few LED LCDs that are coming pretty close to plasma black levels now. Perhaps not Kuro blacks... : Head Rush
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          I recently saw a XBR8 that might have looked better than the Kuro. I'd like to see them side by side for ... : Kentor
          • "It was still possible to see a very low level of brightness on the screen with a full-screen black image : Serpico74
      • My buddy bought a brand new Samsung LCD a few months ago that still doesn't look as good as my 2 year old... : silent prophet
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      Fantastic, for a quarter of the price you can get a Panasonic plasma with better color, comparable or bet... : Serpico74
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        I really don't understand why they are dying out and LCD becoming the de facto hdtv standard, when plasma... : bipolar
        • Better marketing and the weird perpetuation of plasma issues that went away years ago. : Serpico74
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          Panasonic owns the Kuro technology now, so we may see those black levels in Panny sets as soon as mid-201... : Head Rush
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            Are you sure they got a hold of all of Kuro. Back before Pioneer killed off Kuro they were sharing the pa... : DarkWolf5
            • This, except that Panasonic was supplying panels to Pioneer for the last year Kuros, and the Kuros that w... : Serpico74
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    Plasma vs LCD is as much fanboy bait as PS3 vs 360 : Judecca
    • Its not a fanboy argument when one is objectively superior to the other in every single way as far as ima... : Serpico74
• If all you'll do on the TV is watch BRDs and TV, then you'll be fine. If this TV will be used to play gam... : Link.