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  more of bill gates' stuff winds up in land fills : kbnerd
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    I doubt that. MS doesn't manufacture hardware, and the Apple IIe's were some heavy duty machines. : famine101
    • I mean computer hardware of course. Lots of keyboards/mice/consoles, etc. : famine101
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      MS does in fact manufacture a lot of hardware. if not directly, via contracted factories. mice, keyboar... : EvilDolemite
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        I wouldn't say tons of shit : cltcprd
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          just the original xbox + 360 is roughly 60 - 65 million units. all of those are going into landfills. : EvilDolemite
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            Well at the rate apple goes through ipods.... : DarkWolf5
            • probably 20-25 ipods equal one 360 : EvilDolemite
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  I've got to give it to Gates, for the Gates Foundation alone. : filtersweep
  • what about Hand Jobs? : radula
  • This. Also, Microsoft has done so much more for the advancement of computers, regardless of how or who re... : boarder2
  • ding ding ding : cltcprd
  • ^^^ This. He built a fortune on brutal tactics in the 90s but at least he's doing good (understatement) w... : Serpico74
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  Pop culture: Jobs Everything else: Gates : pigvomit
  • gotta pick one : EvilDolemite
• Easy, Gates. : mr.thing
• At this point? Well, Microsoft. Microsoft has its hands in just about everything, from entertainment to p... : SpaecKow
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  bill gates by a long, long way. He's basically eradicating malaria for christs sake. : aeg1x
  • That's the goal at least. : midgetherder
• Bert Newton. : abrasion
• Bill gates : noobja
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  Do you mean the companies associated? Or do you mean the direct impact those people have made? I think Ap... : ovrlrd
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    i don't understand your distinction. steve jobs helped apple acheive, but microsoft was responsible fo... : EvilDolemite
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      I guarantee the people saying Steve Jobs are devoted Apple fans. : Phreakin
      • no it's not about who had more impact. i don't really know. but when someone says jobs "led" apple and : EvilDolemite
      • as a devoted apple fan, i'd say bill gates. it might be a close call if microsoft and apple were the onl... : electroly
• I would have to say Gates. Like some others say, MS has so much into anything. Alot of MS's dominance i... : silverback1138
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  Apple makes a nice handheld device and has shiny laptops. Microsoft products are used by the vast majori... : Ovate
  • Yeah it really isn't close at all when all things are taken into consideration. : the city
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  RE: iPhone, without talking about numbers of units, how many different models of phones (and PDAs) are th : SigENeaT
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    Wikipedia says Xerox did http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouse_(computing) : Ovate
    • That and IDEO designed Apple's first mouse -- not Apple. http://www.ideo.com/work/item/mouse : Kentor
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    no, xerox did. apple visited xerox, who couldn't sell their GUI and mouse drive OS to their bosses. xer... : EvilDolemite
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      Close. Apple paid Xerox in stock for access to the research labs, and when it came to Mac OS development ... : Serpico74
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        so in that respect, are you as casual about microsoft stealing apple's macintosh dev units and reverse en... : EvilDolemite
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          i mean, apple did give them the dev units in good faith so...their loss, right? : EvilDolemite
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            Eh, its not quite the same. Apple paid for access to PARC and then hired the actual engineers afterwards.... : Serpico74
            • BTW, spend some time reading this page, very interesting history here: http://www.folklore.org/ : Serpico74
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              ah, i see :) of course. the noble apple warriors were taken advantage of IMO it's the same damn thing... : EvilDolemite
              • read my reply below :) : Serpico74
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              I should also be clear that I don't really care about Microsoft creating their own OS with a GUI. Like, a : Serpico74
              • To be SUPER clear, I was correcting you on what happened between Apple and Xerox. What happened afterward... : Serpico74
          • I think it really goes back to the fact that the invention of the GUI wasn't a unique concept that only o : midgetherder
  • No no no. Apple invents very little, but what they do very well is impliment interfaces for mass marke : Serpico74
• Bill Gates, and probably from all of his charity work. : dmason
• I think that Steve Jobs has had a big impact on how people think about design and marketing of a product,... : BlackCat9
• Gates : sanchez
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  Does Pixar count? I like movies. : Serpico74
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    I don't really like the idea of crediting Pixar to Jobs. To me it's a kin to claiming Gore invented in th... : Kentor
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      Of course, but he was still CEO. Apple, Pixar, NEXT, that's pretty darn good. : Serpico74
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        cmon, next was kind of a joke. an overpowered joke. : EvilDolemite
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          The very first web browser, Doom, and Quake were developed on NEXT, and it was the foundation of OS X. I'... : Serpico74
          • It was apparently an attractive workstation. There are lots of those *SHRUG* : SpaecKow
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          NEXT actually had a behind the scenes hand in a lot of important projects at the time. Specifically it w... : midgetherder
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            Explain please. I thought it was mostly SGI and IRIX in the late-80s to late-90s. : Serpico74
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              You are correct in terms of what happened on the actual graphics end, but there were specific tasks that ... : midgetherder
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                So after NextStep what was the OS that first included the OO functionality? : SpaecKow
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                  Choices? I don't know. Tell me SK, TELL ME : midgetherder
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                    I DON'T KNOW I WAS ASKING YOU! :( : SpaecKow
                    • you son of a bitch. you will not live this down. : midgetherder
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        Deja vu... have we had this same conversation before? : Kentor
        • I think so. :) : Serpico74
• What about Woz? : s2jason
• Gates, no contest. You are looking at well over two decades with many businesses around the world using ... : Wombat Woo
• A woodcutter. : woddemandred
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  How do you even begin to quantify that? And why does it even matter? I hate you guys so much right now. : d fluke
  • point system d00d. windows 95 + 1 windows xp +5 windows vista -2 etc : underground banana plantation
• "More" is entirely relative in this case. While both men went on to lead companies that developed their ... : elocanth
• It would have to be Bill Gates. The world runs on MS software, things would be drastically different with... : Yanks
• Gates of course : ErneX
• i'd say gates even without his charity work, but including that makes it a no brainer : feek
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  Bruce Lee : romulan
  • Lol nice : D45hiz
• Chuck Norris : one random winner