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  "Sony's PS3 A Sinking Ship" http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/siliconalley/personal-tech/2008_12_sonys... : aethyr
  • Ouch. : airmaus
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    What a stupid article. Sounds like the guy is just out to bash the ps3. Why would cnn pick up a news st... : Edges
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      I don't see anything wrong with the article, he's not aimlessly bashing it. : Richese
      • It contradicts Edges's views. Hence, it's aimless bashing. : yoonix
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        Well for one thing, #2 is completely false and opinionated. : Edges
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          It's not completely false. A lot of people can't tell the difference, there have been many articles abou... : Richese
          • The adoption rate for Blu-ray is actually faster than DVD. You need to check your facts. : razlebol
        • You're right in that comment being subjective, but an up-scaling DVD player vs blu ray on a 26 inch LCD i... : nagenift
        • people can't tell the difference enough on their 32in 720ps between an upscaled dvd that cost $10 and a b... : .ka`boom.zZz.
    • Err... seemed factually correct and to the point... certainly saddening though. :( : nagenift
    • Seems completely correct to me. : adsriordan
    • Huh? He's right in every way : bozer
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    BUT THIS DOESN'T INCLUDE THE PS3'S SOLD OVER STEAM DUHR : .ka`boom.zZz.
    • LoL. : Pettytheft
    • awesome. : lowayne
  • Obviously, piracy is to blame. DAMN YOU PC! : stratedge
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    lol: The PS3's big bonus is its ability to double as a Blu-Ray player. Too bad no one seems to care abou : cookblaze
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      He's citing a May 2008 article for that, yet all of the recent buzz is about Blu-Ray doing extremely well... : walker270
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        Ya. Plus, HD fucking visibly destroys DVD even on a 32" TFT. Fucking retard. : node
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          If you're really looking, and you sit up close yes. However, enough to replace your entire media collecti... : uncleanmonkey
          • Blu-Ray players play DVDs. You don't have to replace your entire media collection. : walker270
          • Dude I have a 32" Wega and the difference between blu-ray and DVD is night and day, and that's sitting pr... : SatansFist
  • Looks like he's a hard hitting journo http://www.alleyinsider.com/Eric_Krangel : spiderfill
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  they should have taken the hit and priced the console lower. isn't the point of consoles to push game sa... : ucanbfuzzy
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    I think if they could they would have cut the price already. : aethyr
    • They should have left out the backwards compatibility, imo. Anyone who wanted to play PS2 games already ... : riptyde
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    Is there even a game out or coming out to help push console sales for the PS3? I really can't think of an... : yosemiteclimber
    • I had high hopes for Mirror's Edge, but I couldn't justify 60 dollars considering the length of the game.... : ucanbfuzzy
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      GoW3 will move PS3's, but the loss of exclusivity on FF13 I don't think can be understated. It was a huge... : qwpeoriu
      • But there's no ETA on GoW3 so people who just are waiting for that think there might be a price drop befo... : derelict515
  • I think that's scapegoating to blame the price, the problem is the game library. *If* there were good and... : stratedge
  • they've been taking a hit since day one and are still taking one AFAIK. : edgewise
• I'm sorry, the PS3 sold 88,000 less this November. The PS2 sold 290,000 less, but that's not unexpected. : aethyr
• my PS3 plays BRays just fine. : ultramega
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  I don't think Sony would be able to divert resources to R&D a new console unless they took out a massive ... : Sailor of Fortune
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    What do they do when Nintendo launches WiiHD and Microsoft released Xbox 720? : Richese
    • I'm just saying that the OP's proposed timeframe would be too soon for Sony. They've stated the PS3 is... : Sailor of Fortune
• Fuck, I just bought one for my little brother :/ : zach`
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  10 Year Life Cycle : grabbie
  • lol : uncleanmonkey
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    Oh how I love this. Actually, I love all the Sony-isms from the PS3 launch; "FIVE HUNDRED NINETY-NINE ... : airmaus
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      Didn't they say something like people will get a second job just to buy a PS3? LOL : Robotic Puppy Eater
      • They also said Motion Sensing is just a cheap gimmick, and that seperate SKUs are retarded. Oh, and don't... : thecray
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    To be fair the PS2 is in year eight or something retarded. : Evil Benius
    • To be fair, the PS2 was successful. : uncleanmonkey
    • A soft landing for a console is desirable, as it can be "free" money. But the quotes about 10 years for ... : jake
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  Not enough games and rather pricey, only real reasons I haven't bought one. : breadsticks
  • The massive number of skus is another. I would have bought one if the current 40 gig had decent BC with t... : baron calamity
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  Sony is in massive trouble. I can't even think of a workable strategy with a good outcome. I wonder how m... : baron calamity
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    I'll tell you what they need, they need to gut all the leadership in their gaming division and bring in s... : stratedge
    • Remember, presumably a whole bunch of people in that ridiculous company thought "Home" was a good idea. : stratedge
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  What are things like over in Japan? I know the Wii is dominating everywhere, but does the PS3 have a goo... : exigence7
  • This is just a guess, but I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it's doing better in the EU region than in ... : qwpeoriu
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    not good. the 360 was outselling it for several weeks recently, to put it in perspective. : Mansmells
    • END TIMES : airmaus
    • And I'd expect that to happen again next year when Star Ocean is released. : Richese
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      really? wow, I thought it might happen a year or so from now, but to be outsold by the 360 already is a v... : edgewise
      • Those weeks were special exceptions though, due to releases of JRPGs. PS3 is outselling 360 on a 3:1 basi... : geedeck
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    Last 3 weeks of PS3 sales in Japan (oldest -> newest): 17436, 34978, 30300 Wii: 35298, 49848, 56700 : aethyr
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      360, for comparison: 15474, 11423, 10000 : aethyr
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        But Mansmells just said 360 has been outselling it in the last several weeks! : Edges
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          I said recently. Feel free to go back through the media create numbers if you are interested. I'm on my i... : Mansmells
          • Not really. I thought you meant recently up to now. : Edges
• Should have never gotten rid of the 40gb model and kept bringing out newer models with more HD space at h... : ant_hillbilly
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  They still sell quite a bit of ps2's surprisingly. : hirosushima
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    What's surprising about a $120 console with a ton of good games selling well? : Conan
    • How old it is and how long they have held the 120$ price point. : hirosushima
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  They need a $200 version of the console as well as a $300 version with more drive space etc. They don't ... : Richese
  • If they drop the Price of a PS3 to $200, then that means competing Bluray players, even Sony's own player... : Sailor of Fortune
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  Sony fucked up on Blu Ray - they thought it was a system seller, everyone else wanted a cheap console. St... : ihya
  • It was a system seller back when standalone players were $300. Now they're $120-$150 though. : aethyr
  • I still think making it a system-seller is actually a bad thing for Sony, since they're still losing mone... : Arcanum
  • it is a system seller... ps3 is that bad in the games department : Chandler55
  • their business depends on the success of bluray just as much as their game console. that is why they wer... : Luminair
  • not really a fuckup, more of a gamble. ok, fucked up gamble : moshman
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  whatever, my call center alone sells like 200 of those a day : AbortedFetusChristi
  • So you're saying the NPDs are false or what? : Richese
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  The only real exclusive they have left that could push systems is maybe God of War 3. I don't imagine Kil... : Cihte
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    Yeah the Resistance 2 numbers don't bode all that well for Killzone 2 : derelict515
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      The PS3 has the same amount of good exclusives as the 360. Killzone 2, LittleBigPlanet, Uncharted 1/2, M... : manlyman
      • Quality > quantity though. Clearly shooter fans vastly prefer Halo and Gears to Resistance and Killzone. ... : derelict515
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        Strangely the 360 has way, way more JRPGs at this point in time than the PS3. I don't know how it happen... : EvilDolemite
        • It was a deliberate strategy on Microsoft's part since that was a traditionally strong area for the Plays... : Mr.Finkster
        • Yeah, this is like bizzaro world how things flipped. : Sailor of Fortune
      • hehehehe!!!! penetration : Korban
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      To be honest, despite good reviews, Resistance 2 is pretty medicore. : Edges
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        Based on the little bit I played of it, Resistance 1 was pretty mediocre as well. : Arcanum
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          I thought it was (R1). It was solidly constructed, but the game itself was pretty bland. It wasn't bad,... : Wadmaasi
          • Exactly. It's actually the same way I felt about Halo when I played it. It's not bad. It's certainly c... : Arcanum
      • Yeah, it's not selling super strong because it's not good. it's a good thing, maybe next time they'll pu... : Boxelder
      • I bet Killzone will be as well. If the first was any indication i'm not all that excited to play it. : Pettytheft
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  Its sad that it is not selling more because its a great console. The price of a 80GB model is only $400,... : manlyman
  • Only $400?! That's a lot. I don't think breaking things down and itemizing technology is the way to com... : Richese
  • I really wanted to get a PS3 when it first came out. I knew I would get a Blu-Ray player when Criterion ... : aethyr
  • Its all about Xbox Live. The PS3 is a better piece of hardware but without Xbox Live it seems so boring a... : bozer
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    It's too expensive relative to the 360, end of story. People will go out, see a 360 Arcade for $180 and s... : SenorSpine
    • This is how Walmart became so big with the price entry marketing. You go into a Walmart and you see a ... : Sailor of Fortune
    • exactly, and that $180 xbox can play all the same high-def games as the $400 PS3. Well except for little ... : headbone
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  From a development standpoint, and I have mentioned this before, but you will start to see a lot more mul... : mikecyb
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    What makes you think your first sentence is true? Why would things change now? : skinlab133
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      Because as the power of the PS3 is unlocked, more devs will target it as the lead platform in order to be... : EvilDolemite
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        You're missing the real question: Why would devs bother? Why pick a system that has a substantially s... : Arcanum
        • It doesn't have substatialy less market share globally. As I said in another post, it consistently outso... : Boxelder
        • This ^^^ : bozer
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          because there's a market for it. there are still 8 million or whatever PS3s out there and many of them p : mikecyb
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            Can you cite any examples about recent or upcoming games? I can only think of 2 - 3 games in the past yea... : nomaad
            • it's a fairly recent development with most games. Mirror's Edge I know was lead on PS3 and Dead Space st... : mikecyb
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        Did you mean "if the 360 is around then" or "if the PS3 is around then"? I can't tell. : Ride-My-Rocket
        • There's already talk about the Xbox 720 coming out in a few years.... : Arcanum
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          PS3 should stick around until about 2013 : EvilDolemite
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            I'm expecting to see the Xbox 720 probably by the end of 2010 or 2011. If Microsoft manages to improve p... : Arcanum
            • Is Sony gonna have enough resources for another next-gen, if the PS3 continues selling the way it has bee... : Ride-My-Rocket
      • Is that what happened last generation with the PS2/Xbox? Because the Xbox had the superior hardware. It j... : skinlab133
      • False, we do PS3 as lead (we call it main platform) because it sucks compared to the 360 for performance.... : Enigme
      • I disagree because the game sales are piss poor when compared to the 360 game sales. Devlopers will focus... : bozer
      • You have it backwards. You target the PS3 because it has less memory and a slightly worse GPU. This w... : MrLobo
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        That's not really what I was getting at. I mean the PS3 being able to outperform the 360 graphically in ... : mikecyb
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          also the PS3's GPU is inferior to the 360's anyway (if I understand correctly) so it might not even happe... : mikecyb
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            mike I am terribly afraid that you don't really know what you are talking about :( : nomaad
            • I never said that PS3 games could be better looking than 360 games, just that I don't know if the PS3 has... : mikecyb
        • I thought that PC to 360 and vice-versa was where the easy porting. I hadn't heard anything about PS3 bei... : TrptJim
      • Unfortunately, developers are not the ones who control where their game is going to end up most of the ti... : DerHuhnTeufel
      • Just like developers started targeting the Xbox over the PS2 due to its higher performance and smaller ma... : rudds
      • Just like developers started targeting the Xbox over the PS2 due to its higher performance and smaller ma... : rudds
      • Wrong. There is no magic in the PS3. The actual hardware numbers are out there and basically identical.... : jake
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    Why wouldn't people target the two platforms with the larger market as lead platforms? Get the game to ru... : mroizo40
    • That doesn't matter. If it is easier to develop for the PS3 first than the 360 as mikecyb said, then tha... : FirstPersonCooter
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      lead platform is traditionally only one platform. you can't really lead on two platforms because the lea... : mikecyb
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        Obvious Mike means to add 'Unlike Burnout and Dead Space' both of which started development on one system... : LoioshDwaggie
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          yeah those are kind of bizarre cases though. switching lead platform doesn't happen that often. : mikecyb
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            and still I figured he meant leading on two at once. when they switched Dead Space to PS3 lead they didn... : mikecyb
            • I was lumping windows and xbox360 as 1 platform, and consideirng the ps3 as 'the other' platform. : mroizo40
      • Right but from what I can tell (i'm not a console dev), the Xbox dev tools are similar enough to the wind... : mroizo40
    • It would cost a shitton more money and take a lot more time to target 2 platforms at once, it just doesn'... : Yanks
  • I imagined the death of Sony for a while now. I still say theres no hope for them. I love my PS3 (for mov... : bozer
  • For all of you poo pooing mike cyb he's pretty much dead on from a development standpoint. It's much e... : dravalen
• Don't worry you won't win the lottery. Nobody with any sense every (rarely) wins the lottery. : boomstickah
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  It's just price/, which is bound to change, it outsold the 360 for most of this year. : Boxelder
  • Also 360's marketing this month is insane. I can't count how many "family friendly" 360 commercials I've... : Boxelder
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    That really doesn't matter, though--this is the time of year that makes/breaks that shit and they're not ... : Halen
    • If you look at total sales for the year this is more the 360 catching up than sinking the PS3 battleship.... : Boxelder
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  the system was a cynical attempt to trojan a blu ray lead into houses. that worked but financially it was... : thebigbeefsandwich
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    That'd be great, except for all the games released up this point wouldn't work with your proposed PS3-lit... : FirstPersonCooter
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      they could be installed to the HDD, but yeah Sony is sticking with BR even if it means taking the ship do... : qwpeoriu
      • That would either require a drive that can still read BR, or a massive pipe and HDD to download and store... : FirstPersonCooter
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  For the lot of you hoping Sony consoles die, I want you to know that competition is good for all of us. : icon_of_syn
  • lol, no one wants them to die. Don't confuse criticism with hatred. : Richese
  • I definitely don't want them to die. I loved the PS2, it's an affordable system with fun, unique games. ... : aethyr
  • I don't want Sony consoles to die (unless they're rapidly replaced with something else). I want them to : Arcanum
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    For what they did to the Dreamcast they should. But alas, with so few consoles they're going to need a... : Sailor of Fortune
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      i blame EA more than Sony for the whole DC thing : qwpeoriu
      • I thought piracy pretty much finished off the dreamcast. By the time they killed production you could lo... : abunch
      • Yeah, that did piss me off back in the day. Ultimately they were right though, and I doubt them being on ... : node
  • I don't want them to die, I want them to improve how they are running things. : bozer
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    Sure it is. But so is change. NO ONE gets three successful major game consoles in a row. Not Nintendo, Se... : node
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      Actually, I'm a fan/owner of xbox because of XBL. PS3 is a better piece of hardware tho....failure rate ... : icon_of_syn
      • This hits the nail on the head. The only thing you missed IMO is the Xbox has more/better exclusives and ... : stratedge
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      NES / Gameboy / SNES eat it motherfucker! : boring gegtik
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        Hand helds don't count dude. Nintendo owns that fucking market. : node
        • Which was their life support during the N64 and GCN eras. Though they still made money on consoles during... : Sailor of Fortune
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        NES/SUPERNES/N64 - fuck the haters N64 owns PS1 : bozer
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          With which games? The only ones I can think of is Mario 64, GoldenEye, Perfect Dark and Banjo. : razlebol
          • Forgot Zelda : razlebol
          • Mario Kart 64!!! : c_man_tmt
          • Battle Tanx! : aldraek
        • Fuck yeah, the N64 was an amazingly good console. PS1 had nothing on it (except for a larger library of g... : thetangent
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      Well technically the xbox wasn't a success, it was just a way of getting their foot in the door, so Micro... : thecray
      • Oh nevermind. I just reread what you wrote. : thecray
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        Well, the Xbox was from no place to 3rd place. I'm sure Nintendo's stumble with the GCN helped a lot too.... : Sailor of Fortune
        • damn, I meant 2nd place. They still lost billions but that's what you have to suffer when you enter a mar... : Sailor of Fortune
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      Gameboy, GBA, DS : Edges
      • truth. handheld or not, it's one hardware legacy that broke the curse. : das_runt
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        I want a real new Gameboy. Not this proof of concept thing. : Cliffzorz
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          I'd say the DS's concept has been pretty well proven. The thing is awesome. : Nali4Freedom
          • Oh it is. But I want to play a shiney new handheld with the warm fuzzy nostalgic-feeling GAMEBOY logo on ... : Cliffzorz
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      I disagree. I bet MS kills with it's next console. They've learned some valuable lessons and are probably... : edgewise
      • I don't think the X-Box was a successful console. The thing never made any money and Microsoft ended its... : walker270
  • tell that to the dreamcast : X-GOUKI
  • I think what we all want is for Sony to get up off the ground and compete again. : stratedge
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  i play my ps3 a lot more than my 360 these days. i can't stand the noise from the 360. : grendel
  • Also the PS3 Ratchet and Clank games are awesome and you should check them out if you've picked up a PS3 ... : grendel
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    Install the games to the harddrive? Turn the tv volume up? Fable 2 is the first game I ever noticed the 3... : derelict515
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      The installation feature has increased my enjoyment of the console a shitload more. I have to juggle inst... : ieGod
      • I can't believe noone's yet made an easy hack to the 20gb unit so that you could open it up and put in a ... : edgewise
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    My PS3 is louder than my 360 after HDD installs were added in. : TrptJim
    • Fable 2 really brought out the monster that is the 360's drive. But after the install, it's like it's not... : Sailor of Fortune
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  I want a PS3 with backwards compatibility, goddammit. : Rice-Rocketeer
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    I bet taking out backwards compatibility has cost them some sales. Why did they take it out, anyway? ... : pyrogen
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      They said there was no cost benefit to removing it. It was purely to encourage people to start buying int... : rock elf
      • this was a critical mistake on Sony's part. generate PS3 game sales by making GOOD GAMES, not crippling ... : grendel
      • Haha that's great if true. And retarded. : TrptJim
      • Umm, IIRC, even the 40 GB still had the graphics chip from the PS2 in it, just the Emotion engine was emu... : Sailor of Fortune
      • Stupid, stupid move. Tons of people who planned to buy a PS3 around me always asked if they had BC. When ... : Godhatesfatpeople
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  I think it will be fine as long as they drop the price. It's a fine console and Sony has some of the best... : razlebol
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    I think you need to rethink your definition of "fine". Sony led in with a 100 million+ selling console an... : edgewise
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      They are that far behind and they released it a year after. Sure it's not total domination like the ps2 b... : razlebol
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        Based on last generation a lot of people assumed the 360 would still never lead, only trail closer so it'... : derelict515
        • It is. : razlebol
• I make it a point to only buy PS3 titles when the option presents itself after the 360 shredded Fable 2 i... : timaste
• Yes. It was DOA in my opinion. Nintendo did what they chose not to do: Focus on games. : silent prophet
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  Microsoft is selling 360's at an amazingly good price, the PS3 is still expensive and has zero backwards ... : jingletard
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    Also how many ads have you seen for the PS3 lately compared to the 360? Also note some of the ads for gam... : Sailor of Fortune
    • I would imagine a bigger drive is not just that it says 360 at the end but rather that it says 'now on 36... : derelict515
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  how can the xbox360 still even be around, let alone thriving? it has faulty hardware, it's not as capable... : rektify7
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    I mean this is SONY! they are the incumbant champion and this new kid on the block comes over and wipes t... : rektify7
    • Online capabilities, exclusives, getting Sony's other exclusives, helped MS gained more ground. Not to me... : Godhatesfatpeople
    • Nintendo was the unstoppable Juggernaut before Sony took some extra parts that were laying around and cal... : BlackCat9
    • well, technically Nintendo is wiping the floor with both of them. But relative the PS3 the 360 is succee... : aethyr
  • a huge library of great games? : headbone
• It's hard to get your consumer base to work two jobs to save up for your product when most of them are wo... : BlackCat9
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  once Sony gets the top SKU of the PS3 down to $299 it'll sell like crazy. I don't understand why they ju... : jayares
  • I will buy a PS3 if they can get it down to $250 in a reasonable amount of time. I wouldn't pay more tha... : aethyr