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    And from a first person shooter perspective, the keyboard/mouse interface is still just a lot better than a console interface. It's a much more direct position vs. integrating over time.. it's just plain better, and that's one of the things we want to cater to.

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    Jul 13, 2008 8:14am PDT
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    • Ths is pretty much a proven fact, it needs no debate or mentioning ever again. : thewindcriesmary
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      No one ever debated that. But some of you PC purists don't seem to get that just because one method is be... : derelict515This person is cool!
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        It's been debated countless times here, and some people actually believe that a controller is better for ... : Pneum0This person is cool!
        • I've never seen a post saying that a controller is better for a FPS. I've seen some people say they prefe... : PettytheftThis person is cool!
        • The debates I've seen have been more about whether or not a console controller is a passable alternative ... : SapiensThis person is cool!
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        Go play Quake3 or UT2k4 on a console, then come back and tell me how un-shitty it was. The fact that I p... : mourningstarThis person is cool!
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          "Go play Quake3 or UT2k4 on a console, then come back and tell me how un-shitty it was." Been playing... : kurumbaThis person is cool!
          • I was speaking more about advanced movements, such as strafe jumping, "twitch" style aiming and flick sho... : mourningstarThis person is cool!
          • I actually got both versions of CoD4 since there were groups of people on both that I wanted to play with... : silverback1138
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        Some people don't care? I have consoles, I have shooters on them, and I enjoy playing those games, but no... : SpaecKowThis person is cool!
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          Doom and JK are totally different games from COD4. You can't really compare them except that they are al... : silverback1138
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            "Totally different" games just because their "sub-genres" are different? I think they're more similar ... : mobab
            • Maybe I worded it wrong. I'm trying to emphasize that they are all FPS, but at the same time, they are e... : silverback1138
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            No that's not enough of a comparison. See, its about what's possible. Obviously any shooter on a console ... : SpaecKowThis person is cool!
            • In serious sam and serious sam 2, to avoid getting hit by some monsters, you'd have to continously make q... : mobab
      • I totally agree in that the mouse / kb is always better, but that a controller isn't BAD. It works, it j... : paravis
      • I think someone needs to look up the definition of "shitty". : badspot
      • Oh no, it has been debated sadly. It's one of the never ending, and ultimately most annoying, debates. ... : freakynipples69
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      What's your point? Yes, M&KB is better for FPS games, but it's still fun to play on a controller. : Fred GarvinThis person is cool!
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        I think his point is that it's nice to see John not abandoning PC gaming just to make a quick buck on con... : mourningstarThis person is cool!
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          Can we please stop using the term "dumbed down" to describe console games. : Fred GarvinThis person is cool!
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            Why? It is a valid complaint. Have you seen the comparisons of COD4 PC to COD4 360? The 360 version ha... : thefluxThis person is cool!
            • Yes. I'm not trying to use it in a rude way. It's just a way I describe it. If it offends you, replace... : mourningstarThis person is cool!
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              Dumbed down how? The AI, the aiming, what? : Fred GarvinThis person is cool!
              • AI, UI, aiming, etc. It really depends on the type of game. The games I feel that were dumbed down due ... : mourningstarThis person is cool!
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                I think dumbed down is a bad way of putting it...its a phrase thats been used so often that people just u... : VorlonesqueThis person is cool!
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                  I totally agree. "Limited" is a much less "offensive" word to use in this situation. I definitely don't... : mourningstarThis person is cool!
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                    I agree with all but GTA. I loved GTA3 with mouse and keyboard :) : OmegaRed59
                    • I was SO fucking bad at that game with mouse and keyboard, haha. I don't know how you did it! :D : mourningstarThis person is cool!
                • Yeah absolutely. Just as the Mouse + Keyboard is completely superior for RTS and FPS games, the controll... : thefluxThis person is cool!
              • The AI accuracy / difficulty. : thefluxThis person is cool!
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                deus ex 2 unified ammo uggggh : Chandler55This person is cool!
                • That was a design decision and had nothing to do with it being console. : Fred GarvinThis person is cool!
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            That's what it is though. Part of it is making it easier because a gamepad cant compete with M & KB, and... : Pneum0This person is cool!
            • Bullshit. A control mechanism does not determine the intellectual or physical challenge of a game. There ... : Fred GarvinThis person is cool!
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            They are dumbed down though. Every single FPS thats on pc and 360 has way harder AI with the pc version b... : thewindcriesmary
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              So, the only challenge in FPS games is aiming. I guess, if you only play games that rely on twitch alone. : Fred GarvinThis person is cool!
              • Twitching to aim makes you less accurate, typically. : Joshvar
      • I don't see him mentioning that they weren't fun. I think those same fun controller games could be even ... : thefluxThis person is cool!
      • I guess the point is that its a shame that a mathematically equivalent input method on the consoles can't... : VorlonesqueThis person is cool!
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      the BEST example I can think of is Portal. Try playing portal speed runs on controller, vs kb and mouse. ... : .ka`boom.zZz.
      • There were a few of those platform jumps where I have no idea how it could have even worked on a console.... : thefluxThis person is cool!
      • This is a GREAT example. While yes, you CAN play Portal with a controller, I can't see why you would eve... : mourningstarThis person is cool!
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        Play Freespace with a mouse.............. Give me my joystick please. : mobab
        • Apples to Pinecones. Thanks for that! : Joshvar
      • Most gamers don't care a whit about speedruns. : rasputinrebornThis person is cool!
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      someone, somewhere at some point will create a gamepad that will have the accuracy and intuitive feel of ... : cell9song
      • Like magicfucker said, it'll be the framerates on console that'll be the issue. : Pneum0This person is cool!
      • FWIW metriod prime3 had the best and most "kb/mouse" like controls i have ever touched on a console.....b... : ozfactorThis person is cool!
      • Fucking SpaceOrb. Talk about "back in the day" :) They took a shot at sponsoring KillCreek before the ... : Joshvar