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    TF2 is sinking like a stone. Brilliant style, but stubborn and neutered gameplay.

    The game continues to sink in the daily averages:

    http://www.onlinegamingzeitgeist.com/graphs/games_10_players.png

    Valve knows the #1 complaint is crits. So what do they do? They add even more crit damage with the uber. The only way this new medic weapon works is if they remove the random crits from every player.

    But what's wrong with the game? A bunch of things.

    1. Brown desert industiral environment in every map. Boring, tedious and unimaginative.
    2. Static control points have been a failure(especially in linear maps). This game seriously needs more CTF, some Hunted, some flag-run, etc. The current capture system is boring.
    3. Not enough weapons. All too often TF2 turns into Shotgun Wars. And the shotguns aren't all that interesting looking or sounding save for the Scout's. Need more depth.
    4. Invisible map walls. Why punish players for trying to be creative and finding new things which extend lifespan of game?
    5. Respawn times. These are a crutch. Make the maps bigger and get rid of them. Walking across a map with potential for a skirmish is more fun than sitting in a respawn.
    6. Splitting the community with a custom tab and regular tab. Not a smart move.

    I'd like to see Valve admit their mistakes and fix some of these problems. TFC was a much more popular game at this point in it's release, and it took FAR less work than this.
    Mar 26, 2008 4:36pm PDT
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      I disagree on crits entirely. I like the random element they add. : TripsThis person is cool!
      • Nades would be better than random crits. At least that would add an actual new weapon and can actually cl... : boulder94
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        Have you ever played a game you really liked and thought to yourself, "If only this game was more random!... : FaykThis person is cool!
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          Yes. There a reason why people are still playing Diablo 2, and it still sells in stores for full price. : fribThis person is cool!
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            ...what? Re-read my statement. I said is there ever a game that is good but did they want more randomn... : FaykThis person is cool!
            • You evidently haven't played it on the hardest difficulty post 1.1 patch. That tends to happen, or at lea... : DerHuhnTeufel
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        I enjoy the random element as well. Crits make daring, dangerous stunts work sometimes in game. Crits a... : spyrextThis person is cool!
        • Agreed. And comparing this to nades makes no sense. : Vangoghs Ear
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      Gameplay was designed for the console player. The PC community has backlashed looking at those numbers. ... : RyDogg1This person is cool!
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        Considering it was created by a bunch of hardcore mouse+keyboard FPS players, I find it very hard to beli... : reethaxorThis person is cool!
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          You're fooling yourself if you can't look at the maps, the weapons, and the core game play and not say th... : RyDogg1This person is cool!
          • I think you might be confusing the cartoony look of the game with it being designed for casual play and t : moneyshotThis person is cool!
          • I have to agree. It was watered down for console play, and no one on consoles even plays it. Doesn't... : boulder94
          • I fail to see how any of that means it was "designed for the console player." Are you claiming that co... : reethaxorThis person is cool!
        • They had people playtesting the PC version using 360 pads. Something sounds wrong there. The entire... : BeadyThis person is cool!
      • hmm... sorry no, i dont think any part of the game shows that it was designed for consoles. : senor135
    • I disagree with the Respawn times points, i like having respawn times it makes you not want to die...plus... : SlingBlaze
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      Points 2, 3, 5 and 6 indicate to me you've never really played with a solid team, that sticks together be... : Mad Jack McMad
      • Agreed. Hirez's TF2 tourney has changed the way that I look at this game (and I loved it even before that... : Arctic Fox
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      I disagree with your point #6. Whenever I want to play, it seems that 9 out of 10 servers are running in... : YamatoTwinkie
      • I have to agree. : OmegaRed59
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        I agree about wanting to play on vanilla servers, but banishing the customs to a separate tab was a bit o... : Arctic Fox
        • Yeah, I agree that some sort of a "Valve approved" badge next to the vanilla servers would probably be th... : YamatoTwinkie
    • If you don't like it, move on to something else I suppose. Also there's no sense worrying too much about ... : Dr_Tran
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      They need more varied themes, they need different capture systems on top of what they have now (I don't t... : Rag and Bone Man
      • err that should be "failure" : Rag and Bone Man
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      Oh man I know this is a troll but it drives me crazy that you keep pointing to that obviously horribly in... : S1ing B1adeThis person is cool!
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        i agree, theres simply no way those stats are accurate. : MCbigdude
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          These are daily averages, the best indicator of a reduction in numbers. Game-monitor provides a snapsh... : boulder94
          • Good riddance. They took a heavy handed approach from the beginning and went out of their way to make it ... : Shai-Tan
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        Why are you losing your temper? This is a simple discussion. I don't appreciate the personal attacks eith... : boulder94
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          ok you have mentioned the "poor custom tab" several times. If someone would like to play a custom server... : .frame
          • Your comment might be a little more valid if you could actually see the custom tab where 90% of people l... : synapse19
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        "Or show me the gamespy stat page this guy says he gets his numbers from because TF2 doesn't show up on t... : zehh
        • the official Steam stats (before they removed stats by games for some reason) had Team Fortress 2 having ... : MrMojo
    • I don't understand and I'm still in doubt if the graph really represents the truth. For me, the game is r... : zehh
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      agreed on everything, TF2 has an incredibly low skill cap and they have continued to patch out anything t... : MrMojo
      • Otherwise known as having fun : snuffThis person is cool!
      • so its not a skill game anymore? huh, so i must be lucky every time i join a shack server and am in the t... : DemiusThis person is cool!
    • Bleh, my long post disappeared sometime when the server died again earlier. Basically, to everyone tha... : synapse19
    • Still loving it and only playing on shack servers (Skepticshock) : whoreThis person is cool!
    • i don't know that the number one complaint is crits... from my perspective they make the game more fun. ... : senor135