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    threads like this make me sad. i generally avoid these threads like the plague and cant recall posting in one in years.. but hey why not. i'll take a shot and maybe 2% of the people reading this post will get something from it.

    countless developers and publishers have said that piracy hurts the pc platform. countless developers and publishers have hard data to back up those claims. its not like they just make a crappy game that doesnt sell well and decide that it must be piracy. successful publishers and developers also say this is a problem.

    certainly there are several other factors involved in the success or failure of a game on a particular platform. but there is no denying that piracy is huge, and that piracy is worst on the pc platform.

    you name the developer or publisher, and chances are they have said piracy is a real issue for the pc. not just the guys with failed games. this is real and there is little doubt that pc gaming needs help. note the recent PCGA announcement.

    yes, its obviously a stretch to say that if 85 out of every 100 unique users to start your game on their computer is a pirated copy that represents 85 lost sales. but to dismiss publishers and developers talking about piracy on the pc platform as a problem at this point is just baffling.

    it is a problem. every major publisher and developer has hard stats on this stuff. something needs to change. the only point that can be argued is just how much money is lost because of piracy. but as the guy stated here, even a 5% shift is a HUGE difference.
    Mar 03, 2008 4:45pm PST
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    threads like this make me sad. i generally avoid these threads like the plague and cant recall posting in... : Steve GibsonThis person is cool!

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    • Well put Steve. Anyone that works for a developer or knows someone in development, ask them if they th... : PorkasaurusThis person is cool!
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      I agree, and I've said it before in other threads piracy is a problem everyone knows this or should. My i... : ChodThis person is cool!
      • Other developers are going console-only for their titles. : walker270This person is cool!
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      I'll have to dig up the article but a casual publisher put out their stats, and the ratio was 1000:1, eve... : dravalen
      • Here's the article, it's a pretty interesting read: http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story... : dravalen
      • I remember Titan Quest running like shat on my computer when I bought it. Im love upgrading but felt Tita... : samduhmanThis person is cool!
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      It makes me sad to see one industry player per week pissing all over the PC platform, not offering any co... : the archvileThis person is cool!
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        The solution is consoles. Publishers have made this abundantly clear. : Tommy Toolbag
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          But some of us hate controllers... : shznit
          • and Sony, and Microsoft... : the archvileThis person is cool!
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            Maybe someone will release a console that includes a mouse and keyboard. : aasyranth
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              This would make be forever switch to consoles. I play on my 360 a lot, but I'm still a hardcore PC gamer ... : Sgt_BoomstickThis person is cool!
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                The Dreamcast had a mouse and keyboard. No one cared. : SchnappleThis person is cool!
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                  Dreamcast didnt have games like Call of Duty 4 that could take full advantage. : shznit
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                    And even if the 360 supported mouse and KB I wouldn't use it on the couch. : Fred GarvinThis person is cool!
                    • Once you got pwned by people who did you might have to reconsider. Which is why MS has banned mouse/keyb... : shznit
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                    It did have Quake 3 though. : SchnappleThis person is cool!
                    • But not the online infrastructure to make competitive shooters work like they should : shznit
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          or steam and similar digital distribution methods : blindi0815
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            Digital distribution is a placebo...trust me on this one. : RomSteady
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              could you elaborate? i was under the impression that steam works pretty good. it made me buy PC games for... : blindi0815
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                http://www.shacknews.com/extras/2006/072606_ritual_piracy_1.x : RomSteady
                • thanks for the link. sad to hear, i thought steam would be a pretty good approach against piracy. : blindi0815
            • Agreeing with Romsteady on this one. : deveus1This person is cool!
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        I guess what Chris Taylor said last week didn't fit your idea of a constructive solution: "Taylor sugg... : PorkasaurusThis person is cool!
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          ok, but why is subscription the only suggestion being offered? It's like they're all giving up on having... : the archvileThis person is cool!
          • Because it's the only one that not only works reliably, but also has added legal precedent to assist deve... : RomSteady
          • I agree, I already am not a huge fan of steam. If I pay $50 for something, I don't want to be dependent ... : Gusty1This person is cool!
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        That's because any industry player with any business sense has known for years that the only solution is ... : qsylvr
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          Valve sold more PC copies of The Orange Box than consoles combined. And for every Steam sale they kept 10... : SchnappleThis person is cool!
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            Sure, Valve is very PC-centric, and they are not abandoning the platform. But The Orange Box was their f... : qsylvr
            • The PS3 sales of TOB were a joke, especially given how much harder it was to make it. I think they did th... : SchnappleThis person is cool!
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      What comes to mind for me is that a majority of the people that pirated these games probably wouldn't ha... : ReevesThis person is cool!
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        Is it just me, or are there alot of dot dot dots in my post ... : ReevesThis person is cool!
        • No, there's a lot of justification in your post. : RomSteady
      • True, not every pirated copy equals a lost sale, but they do account for more than enough to pose a serio... : synapse19
      • That argument simply doesn't hold water. Let's say 10% of the pirated copies are lost sales; that's st... : tigeNThis person is cool!
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      Agreed. There is a reason console makers now put so much security into their products. If piracy wasn't t... : Fred GarvinThis person is cool!
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        In all fairness...console makers have only now started to come to grips with the fact that region locking... : VorlonesqueThis person is cool!
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          If I'm not mistaken region coding is optional in the 360 and PS3, I don't know about the Wii. It's up to ... : Fred GarvinThis person is cool!
          • afaik it is mandatory on the Wii, optional in 360 and non existant on ps3 : blindi0815
    • Thanks for posting this Steve. Its sad so many "hardcore" pc gamers can't seem to see this problem : bozerThis person is cool!
    • Your comments are dead on steve, something *MUST* change. I predict the future of PC games will go a ... : kwix
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      I agree that piracy is an issue. My problem with how some of these "piracy is hurting gaming" announcemen... : kinnochThis person is cool!
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        the 85% number came from unique id's they tracked playing the game online. : Steve GibsonThis person is cool!
        • I would like to see this because he makes no mention of that in his post and merely says the research I'v... : ChodThis person is cool!
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        I really don't think those console to PC ratio's equate to pirating. I personally know a couple people w... : Gusty1This person is cool!
        • Meant to say, not all of those are pirating, granted some are, but I don't think it's as big as those rat... : Gusty1This person is cool!
    • I concur. Piracy is a major problem and it makes me sad as well that people can even look at themselves ... : VorlonesqueThis person is cool!
    • This is clearly a big problem and I think there are some clear improvements that need to be made on both ... : doomweaverThis person is cool!
    • It does sadden me. I would be lying if I didn't admit to a little software piracy in the past, but I can... : silverback1138
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      Agreed. I'm amazed at the # of friends I have that haven't bought a single game in years. Personally...... : R-MagicThis person is cool!
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        One of the issues is "but if not I just won't consider the product" will often times get classified... : mobab
        • "'but if not I just won't consider the product' will often times get classified as piracy, thus the low s... : R-MagicThis person is cool!
    • So where is all of this pirating happening and why doesn't the industry go after it? I've haven't followe... : samduhmanThis person is cool!
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      Also what are we as pc gamers supposed to do about it? All these devs comments do is make pc gamers mad b... : samduhmanThis person is cool!
      • these are my thoughts exactly; I wish I could've pieced them together in a post like this. Piracy in t... : the archvileThis person is cool!
      • Developers and publishers absolutely should make gamers aware of the problem of piracy, which does harm g... : WilhufThis person is cool!
    • I agree with this 100%. : Kazomir