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  read the test realm forums http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4665464955&sid=1 som... : Patch-e
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    Oh, mages now have Icy Veins which is a 20 second buff that gives haste. It's an 11 point talent that re... : Grumbeld
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      LOL no more ice block? wow ok thats retarded too. : Slowtreme
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        everyone gets ice block now : Dravenport
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          i left WoW a year ago but it seems the characters get so powerful as time goes on. they have now given i... : handofthrawn
          • yes : Dravenport
          • That's the way these hack Class Managers are doing things. They actually listen to their community (big ... : Rotten Deadite
          • They still have lots to work on with mages. Without iceblock, fire or arcane mages were dead in seconds ... : pigvomit
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            Yep, the devs behind WoW have no idea how to manage the progression. You can't continually exponentially ... : Modica Sol Solis
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              it seems like they are just sitting on the last curve of the game. all the time spent on the other dozen... : handofthrawn
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                Most people don't want to do the same dungeon repeatedly and many do want to eventually overpower old con... : Chod
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                  That's fine. Normal linear progression of a character is fine and dandy. But characters in WoW grow in st... : Modica Sol Solis
                  • Which is why they sped up leveling. Of course, now low level dungeons are completely meaningless if you ... : Grumbeld
          • And yet mages are still way underpowered :( : Majuju
          • and yet mages are still behind the curve : brewsterdog
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            LOL! fills up your mana... you're so funny. More like gives you half your mana back : Grumbeld
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              ...if you can stand still for 6 seconds and not get hit : reign27
              • Giving Evocation to everyone was a good move (he says as a biased mage). It was basically a requirement,... : slax0r
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        ice block is trainable now. : ImageOmega
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          Ice Block has doubled my survivable time in Arenas. It is a HUGE improvement. : pigvomit
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            that was the whole point of being an icemage. I dont understand why this is a for all mage now. : Slowtreme
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              It's like when all druids got innervate =P : action roommate
              • maybe... I would agree if druids actually used innervate on themselves. It was made trainable because all... : Slowtreme
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  Priest PI? I know there was talk of some Priest changes -- including a Mana Burn nerf. Dunno much bey... : changejar419
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    Notes say they are changing PI to be a haste spell instead of +damage. The Mana Burn thing is a buff to r... : Slowtreme
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      Have you ever played with Mr. T? : Lightzout
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        is this a trick question : Slowtreme
        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bsOKH3_DNo : naios
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  I'm guessing it's something to do with talents... so what 11 point talent is there that might be better t... : Grumbeld
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    oh, power infusion : Grumbeld
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      I guess Mage Icy Veins is the 11 - 20% haste for 20 seconds (self cast only) Power infusion 31 points ... : Slowtreme
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        so what is their deal with all this haste crap? they trying to scale back +dmg from getting too high? a... : multisync
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          20% is 20%. It's going to be a noticeable increase. I mean that's a straight increase of DPS. As far as H... : Duffman8369
          • so far on the PTR Sunwell is completely loaded with haste gear. : naios
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            20% increase on an instant cast = 0% increase in damage. This change sucks in many ways. : TrptJim
            • DPS goes up though! : naios
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              Decreases Global Cooldown soon! And how many fucking instant casts do you use? : Duffman8369
              • Only down to the default 1 second no? That should only affect you if you're getting a castspeed debuff. I... : TrptJim
        • small increments of haste are useless. I think everyone figured that out. But if you get up to like 200 h... : Slowtreme
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          Haste is interesting in that for pve, it's a straight damage boost, but for pvp it's mostly a tactical ab... : nurglich
          • It isn't necessarily a straight dps boost as not all classes benefit from haste and some classes that do ... : Chod
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  latest 2.4 patch notes == hundreds of Elemental shaman getting kicked from Arena teams. good game, Blizza... : eskimo spy
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    I think Blizzard has proven they have no idea what is going on with Arena. : Evil Benius
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      I think they have far too much in the air that they are attempting to balance, solo PvE, 5 man PvE, raid ... : pigvomit
      • What people have a hard time grasping is that a game like WoW has to constantly change and evolve. There... : action roommate
      • They concentrate at all on World PVP? : Grumbeld
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    What did they change? As it is every elemental shaman I see is in full season 3 gear anyway. : action roommate
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      You can no longer activate the instant cast (Nature's Swiftness) and guaranteed crit (Elemental Mastery) ... : yemeth
      • Oh boo fucking hoo : action roommate
      • lol : Phreakin
      • it's not that big of a deal. the tremor totem change is a pretty nice buff anyway : JINKY
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    Every patch not should read the same way: Class Changes - Whichever class whined the most last tim... : Phreakin
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      if that were true Shaman and Mages would be able to win 5-man Arenas solo, by now. all the outraged QQ fr... : eskimo spy
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        What's funny is how content the lock and rogue forums look. If you check out the number of complaint pos... : pigvomit
        • Rogues bitch all the time. Why is my cooldown 5 minutes?!?!?! It should be 5 seconds!!!! : Phreakin
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          mages have nothing to complain about. shamans are terrible in pvp unless you're elemental in a 5 man tea... : AllYourBase
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            Well only if you consider frost mages. Any other mage is handicapped by the lack of insta casts. PoM/py... : pigvomit
            • same with pretty much every other class, if I spec raiding shadow I'm so gimped in arena it's a joke for ... : naios
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  Holy shit! There was some merit to the Nurturing Instinct for druids. It does increase healing received b... : SilverSnake
  • Ya, that would give bear tanks a good 500+ healing or more : action roommate
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  The PI change is a huge nerf. And it's not like it was an abused/game breaking ability. I don't get it.... : kek
  • its because PI + Bloodlust/Heroism was way too overpowered. : Iwannaacura
  • Yes, as a warlock that travels around with a PI priest I'm quite unhappy with this nerf. :-( : atom519
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  Badges of Justice have been added to all raid bosses who did not previously have them!] Surely this me... : action roommate
  • Yeah probably just BC stuff since you can't cash them in if you don't have BC. : pigvomit
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    BC 70+ only : Slowtreme
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      No no farming Wailing Caverns for badges then? Shit. : Phreakin
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        WC isn't a raid instance though. : SilverSnake
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          We run level 5 40 mans through it : Phreakin
          • It has a 10-man limit. :( I know I'm killing your joke, but I'm a bastard like that. : SilverSnake
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  * Chastise no longer disorients the target, but now is instant cast and roots the target for 2 second... : Iwannaacura
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    What is Chastise? I've been looking for the talent, but I can't find it. : Slowtreme
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      You have to be a female and it's under the nagging tree : Phreakin
      • ok I'm 1/2 way there. a little more help plz : Slowtreme
      • ^^ needs more love. : five_percent
    • it was a priest racial introduced like a stun. http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=44041 with ranks 1-x : Iwannaacura
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      It is the replacement racial for Fear Ward that Dwarves and Draenei priests got. : Evil Benius
      • oh roger, My priest is not one of those races : Slowtreme
  • Hopefully that PI change is temporary. : Ajax
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  The faggot Alliance whined enough about AV until Blizzard bent over and moved the Horde starting point ba... : Phil
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    I still think the battlegrounds should be mirrored if they want parity. Bunkers suck to defend. : pigvomit
    • They need to figure out some kind of lore excuse for alliance and horde to work together, then just rando... : ZombieAcademy
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    they still won't on stormstrike because we fucking own : Patch-e
    • What up Stormstrike; Duskwood reporting. : Majuju
  • I'd be happier to lose AV every so often than have 90min+ queue times for a win. : action roommate
  • the question is: why wasn't it the same distance from the beginning. Stupid that everyone jumps out the s... : Slowtreme
  • yeah and as usual it will screw over the other half of players who are in Alliance-heavy battlegroups. In... : eskimo spy
  • Alliance will still lose but this was a good change. Any horde that things otherwise I'm sorry but this w... : Chod
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    what i dont understand is that the alliance have a huge terrain advantage right now. on my BG all I see a... : maulla
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      Alliance doesn't really have a terrain advantage where it matters in AVs current implentation, the horde ... : Chod
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        Choke points don't really work in wow though. In a real battle 20 defenders could mow down 30 attackers i... : Korjan
        • That doesn't happen at all on the Stormstrike battlegroup. Either the alliance get stopped right at the c... : Chod
      • Thats only if a large number of horde defend the chokepoint, and if alliance just rush through enough get... : rhuntley12
    • IB is the easiest to hold graveyard in the BG, but no one ever defends it. The only point that is as hard... : SenorSpine
  • Alliance usually wins AV on my battlegroup, unless horde defends and it turns into a 30-60min win. Hell w... : rhuntley12
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  I'm so glad I quit. From the sound of things priests are still getting screwed over : shred.
  • They would have to create an alter boy classe to reverse that : shavenewok
  • yep im glad i sold my priest at its peak s1 dominance with shadow owning everything and all other talents... : Iwannaacura
  • Every patch some class is getting screwed over. It eventually evens out. : TrptJim
• Priest changes suck. Mage changes rock. Druid changes suck (I can see why they did it though). Shaman... : TheTick