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    Have most of you even watched the segment in question? The comments in this thread about it are more ridiculous than the mistakes made on the show. Point by point:

    *Contention: Critics argue that Mass Effect is being marketed to kids.
    Response: Microsoft, in a statement, sidesteps the marketing criticism and focuses on ratings and parental involvement.

    *Contention: The bottom banner makes a claim of "full digital nudity". Response: The game features a moment of posterior nudity and side boob. "Full" is a bit of a mischaracterization of the content.

    *Cooper Lawrence, a psychologist, asserts that while games may be 'targeted' to adults, statistics show that it's adolescents, and not their dads, who play video games. She points to studies that show violence in video games have a desensitizing effect. This is a matter of dispute, but not an outrageous claim.
    She goes on to assert that sex in video games can also have a desensitizing effect, and give adolescents a distorted view of females, overly represented in video games as sex objects. Again, the actual effect this has is disputeable, but come on, there is no question that the preponderance of female portrayals in video games is of big chested hotties.

    *The host correctly marginalizes the ridiculous ass-covering 'age verification' system many websites employ.

    *Geoff Keighley correctly frames the amount of nudity that is in the game, and correctly clarifies that you can play as a woman. He doesn't address the portrayal of females in general, or the impact of sex/violence on adolescents.

    *The fact is, Keighley is put up against ONE other person, and is given as much time as the other guest. The host merely facilitates the debate.

    *The panel seems to be a general group of people on the show to discuss a variety of topics. They didn't seem to be listening to the previous discussion closely, but mostly speak in generalities. The Luke Skywalker/Debbie-Does-Dallas comment was stupid, but the realities of parental supervision are accurate. One of the panels shows her ignorance how content is rated, but another panelist makes the point that government doesn't have a place in censoring content.

    All in all, despite the mistakes made, it was a fairly innocuous segment. The rancor it has stirred is ridiculous. This is hardly an example of a big bad news network trying to promote a devious agenda. Asking EA to send a representative to correct the record is perfectly reasonable.
    Jan 25, 2008 8:33am PST
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    Have most of you even watched the segment in question? The comments in this thread about it are more rid... : mysteryperfecta

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      Get the fuck out of here. : CRasterImage
      • CRasterImage=1 mysteryperfecta=0. I am rebuffed. : mysteryperfecta
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      I question whether you've watched it either. Have most of you even watched the segment in question? Th : carnivoreThis person is cool!
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        Hard to argue that I haven't watched it. I pointed out the mistakes made, and the sidesteps on both side... : mysteryperfecta
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          Obviously you did watch it, I was exaggerating, but your viewpoint on it seems so at odds with the percep... : carnivoreThis person is cool!
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            "but your viewpoint on it seems so at odds with the perception of the majority who did watch it." My p... : mysteryperfecta
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              Yes, but I have watched it and I happen to agree with a lot of the comments. You've watched it and happen... : carnivoreThis person is cool!
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                Where we disagree is that you're asserting that the inaccuracies are deliberate and malicious, whereas I ... : mysteryperfecta
                • I was just checking this thread again. I did not say they are deliberate and malicious. The result howeve... : carnivoreThis person is cool!
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      I'm not a big foxnews fan, but at the same time I didn't get all up in arms over this segment myself. Rea... : qwpeoriuThis person is cool!
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        I love you Qwpie. Why do you hate me so? :( : rasputinrebornThis person is cool!
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          haha, who said I hate you ? I'm actually fiercely jealous because I wish I lived in Southern California. ... : qwpeoriuThis person is cool!
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            You always tease me with the possibility of you coming down here. :_( : rasputinrebornThis person is cool!
            • Hey, get me a job doing C++ architecting / developing and I'll be right there :D : qwpeoriuThis person is cool!
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      Is sideboob nudity? If so, I guess all those awards shows where female celebrities dress in revealing cl... : cycopl
      • The game is Rated Mature for Blood, Language, Partial Nudity, Sexual Themes, Violence. So yes, partially... : mysteryperfecta
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      the reason they want someone from EA on there is so they can sit someone across from them that 100% disag... : ease oneThis person is cool!
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        Thanks for the inside scoop on other people's ulterior motives. : mysteryperfecta
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          Hardly an inside scoop, more like a well-informed supposition based on past experience. : rasputinrebornThis person is cool!
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            Hardly anything at all except for a bitter, ideological rant from shacknews contributor with an ax to gri... : mysteryperfecta
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              Axe to grind..... hmm. For some reason those three words seem to glow with intensity when I read your c... : rasputinrebornThis person is cool!
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                That's because you're really mad when you read it. Relax the pupils. : mysteryperfecta
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                  Thanks for the inside scoop on other people's ulterior motives moods. -but you could not be further ... : rasputinrebornThis person is cool!
                  • Maybe supposition isn't a good idea, then. : mysteryperfecta
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          Why wouldn't that be true? : ease oneThis person is cool!
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            Quit feeding the troll. : CRasterImage
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              ...said the scholar whose other salient post was "Get the fuck out of here." : mysteryperfecta
              • Boy are you hungry. : CRasterImage
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                lol, at "...said the scholar" and "salient". You really think you are clever, maybe you even think you ar... : Frozen Pixel
                • "Salient" really isn't a very bookish word. And if there is a possibility that I'm coming off a troll, i... : mysteryperfecta
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            It may be, but neither he or I are in a position to know. He's making the assertion. That was my point. : mysteryperfecta
            • But it is just common sense. It is a business. They want to make money. People like to see other peopl... : ease oneThis person is cool!
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      mysteryperfecta@foxnew.com ? : eskimo spyThis person is cool!
      • mysteryperfecta@foxnews.com I won't receive it otherwise. foxnew.com is probably a porn site. : mysteryperfecta
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      I think you and Jobos are on the wrong site. In case the two or one of you have lost your bookmarks. Here... : Frozen Pixel
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        Nope, I'm at the right place: http://www.hystericaldemagogues.com/hivemind : mysteryperfecta
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          That link doesn't go to shacknews, in fact it doesn't even resolve. Yet you are posting on shacknews, whi... : Frozen Pixel
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            Oh, I meant http://shacknews.hystericaldemagogues.com/hivemind You may not notice the jump as it goes im... : mysteryperfecta
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              You keep typing words, but I don't think they mean what you think they mean. : Frozen Pixel
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                You're the one who's vexed. So here's a working link: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sarcasm : mysteryperfecta
                • ... hahaha, I have one for you too: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=idiot : Frozen Pixel
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      The whole segment was filled with inaccuracies and unfounded claims. To call the comments in this thread : KaerofThis person is cool!
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        You must define "full" in the same way Fox News does, because if a few inaccuracies makes a segment "full... : mysteryperfecta
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          He said, filled, not "full". : Frozen Pixel
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            Kaerof- Come to my house so we can set the record straight. Frozen Pixel-- "Filled with" vs. "full of"... : mysteryperfecta
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              Did you just threaten Kaerof? : CRasterImage
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                No, that's just how we settle things here at Fox News. I won't admit my mistake unless he comes to me to... : mysteryperfecta
                • If you're clearly false, and they have made clearly false statements (never mind slight inaccuracy versus... : carnivoreThis person is cool!
            • They could have set the record straight then and there with Keighley, but instead he got to try to defend : KaerofThis person is cool!
    • another troll just looking for attention, just ignore : FuzzyOnionThis person is cool!
    • Wow, you are long winded and still wrong, but from reading the thread I am not going to bother to dispute... : Fred GarvinThis person is cool!