3dfx Interview

Posts 283, 284 and 285 are by the same person. Sad.

Thanks!

-Lex

Sylvanus and Valiance. It was great watching you two idiots spew off bullshit and knowing full well neither one of you have an IQ above 100.

Its obvious by the type of posts and the trolling and flaming that you have only one thing in mind, and thats flaming people.

One post by another person and you can evaluate what type of person they are?

NOT. You on the other hand have spammed this thread with total mindless babble.

You are hereby
*dumb-assed.*

Gee Valiance
http://www.shugashack.com/funk.y?id=387739
"#100 NO. Quake 2 and Quake 3 are anything but Quake 1 with a newer engine. In fact, they were 100% unrelated."

Now wait. Nvidia is rehashing, but Quake 2 and 3 were completely new. Even Carmack admits he does not completely rewrite his engines. He only need rewrite or update the parts of the code that need it.

3dfx is doing more like Doom to Doom 2 steps. Nvidia is making the Quake to Quake 2 to Quake 3 leaps. That is the difference, and if you don't see it you need to put the crack pipe down. Calling people fan boys only works if there is nothing to support their caps locks enhanced rants. So say something intelligent rather than blather about how wrong the fanboys are just because they're fanboys. Maybe come up with a reason why? God forbid you say something worth reading rather than just bitch like all the other lemmings (from either the 3dfx or Nvidia crowd).

Nvidia charges ahead with T&L, HDTV, DDR, dual outs, DVI support, 32bit color, pixel shaders, and anisotropic. 3dfx creates what is essentially a SLI enabled TNT2 Ultra that is still behind competing products, and somehow they're no more guilty of rehashing? They create something that has ONE feature with an edge over the competition and basically gets smacked around silly in every other category by two somewhat similar (GF2/Radeon) competing products. And thats just the high end retail card, not to mention the mainstream retail/OEM card which is utterly DOA.

And the NV20 and Radeon are (will be) largely new tech due to the tiling and deferred rendering technology, FYI. Depite the Radeon (or Kyro for that matter) being new tech, the GF2 (MX-Kyro) still beats it out for around the same price. So what is your point? So what if the pixel pipelines have not been redesigned from scratch? They've done what it takes to create a drastically new product that is in enhanced in many ways.

I'm sure someone else has pointed this out but....

nVidia has not missed its target product cycle of 6 months. {their cycle is 6 mo. with a new features chip once a year, then within 6 months of that, improvements in speed and features}

The GF was released last November. The GF2 was released last June. I dont think 2-3 weeks off of a 6 mo. cycle counts as 'missed'.

In fact, nVidia releasing the 'GF2 Ultra' before {if ever} 3dfx releases the VD5 6000 means that, once again, nVidia beat 3dfx to market. In addition, with ATI's release of the Radeon, 3dfx can no longer think that its just nVidia that raced to the forefront. It is 3dfx that has gone from forerunner to middle of the pack. And for 3dfx, that is NOT a good trend.

I think 3dfx is more guilty of rehashing that Nvidia. That is the point.

Pot kettle? Naw.

Moral of the day? The Nvidia marketing team has shoved so much bullshit up your asses with words like "innovation" and "T&L" and "revolutionary" that many of you have been reduced to nothing more than a bunch of brainwashed fanboys. Quite sad really.

--Valiance--

In other words, neither 3dfx nor Nvidia has made any product recently, from scratch. In fact, it could be speculated that the 3dfx Rampage will be the first card out that's built from scratch (either that or the Gigapixel architecture) while the NV20 continues to be yet another faster clock speed and faster T&L extention of the GeForce2. GG.

--Valiance--

not to be redundant, but:

"How many times Nvidia expect the consumer to buy the same product?"

If it's the same product, I should get the exact same FPS with a GeForce SDR that I would with a GeForce2 GTS, right? WOOHOO! I knew there was a hole in the system somewhere!

Ummm, I could be wrong here, but I think the geforce GTS2 ultra is more card than the v6000 will be, if and when it comes out.

What is clear is that 3dfx missed their product cycle. This is the twenty-third regurgitation of VSA-100! It was our belief that a product cycle meant introducing a new product. How many times 3dfx expect the consumer to buy the same product?

Flame wars, To paraphrase The Bard:

[Flame Wars are] but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage and then is heard no more: it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

-Rat
(I bet there are still people arguing over which was better, the Gravis Ultra Sound or the Sound Blaster 16.)

okay. i have read this entire thread and carefully considered all of the arguments. and i can only come to one conclusion:

BUBBA WOLFORD IS A BIG FAT POOP HEAD!!!!

this has been a very enlightening discussion.

Now that Nvidia has missed the product cycle with NV20, we plan to forge ahead. The Voodoo5 6000 is still a 4 chip, 512-bit interface monster with 128MB of RAM and over 10.6 GB of memory bandwidth. It will regain the hands-down performance crown for us.

This is more deceptive than you can imagine. That 128 MB of RAM isn't all framebuffer and texture goodness .. I imagine that 8 MB is frame buffer. That leaves 120 MB -- split it by FOUR for the four VSA-100 chips -- that's a max 30 MB texture RAM then, since textures it must be replicated for EACH chip's RAM.

Way to go on deception 3dfx.

oh wow, 3dfx sure talks a lot of shit for a company that hypes a card then again and again misses the release date, not to mention dragging their ass on T&L and trying to down play it. the sooner 3dfx dies or they get T&L on their card the sooner its the standard and we can make better use of it, part of the reason we only see a "handful of T&L" games is because 3dfx is lagging behind everyone else.

I want to see some benchmarks from a board with 1 gig of memory and 32 VSA100 chips on it.

Later guys.

Of course the market is full of fucking idiots. Witness AMD's stock.... :/

"There are serious questions as to why Nvidia would put heatsinks on their memory. "

Coming from people that put power cords into the video card no less!

Nvidia may be overvalued in the sense that they may be valued greatly on their future promise (i.e. Xbox chip, they won't be getting significant income from it for another year at least). Unless they somehow fubar'ed their Xbox chips and never delivered their sound and northbridge/southbridge chipsets they may drop.

BTW, I own no stock in either company, FWIW.

Nvidia stock is overvalued by 50% in my (worthless) opinion. Its going to correct sometime next year (my guess) and when it does it aint gonna be pretty. I would not be taking my off the ticker if I owned nvda. Is tdfx undervalued? Not in my opinion. They aint going anywhere as long as retail is all they have.