Carded For Buying Games
by Steve Gibson, Sep 07, 2000 8:37am PDTAh yes, that day has finally arrived. Next time you try to buy a PC game from K-Mart you better have an ID. They are going to start carding people who try to buy games. It was only a matter of time... (Thanks dinx)
Kmart will ask for proof of age to make sure no one underage is purchasing any video games with an "M" or "Mature" rating, which the industry intends for those 17 and older. Officials said "M" rated games constitute about three percent of Kmart's video game sales, but will not disclose the profits from or exact volume of those sales.Honestly that M rating on games has meant very little since it was never enforced before.
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me: "What the hell, since when? I've been buying games here for years." her: "Because games cause violence and stuff."
me: "Give me proof."
her: "Well...um...those kids were picking on that guy playing that Magic [the gathering] game"
me: "That doesn't make any sense."
her: "Don't argue with the policy, write your local congressman."
Oh and I was well over 17 at the time.
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-Gibbler.
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(damn Oprah lov'n parents today can eat me...)
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Both of my sons are straight A students. My oldest just qualified for his school's "gifted" program. Raising children is a hard job, but has it's own satisfactions.
That being said, I think the rating system/carding underage people is a good thing. I want to know what my kids are playing. If they want something they can come & ask me to get it for them (I still won't let the 8 year old play SOF or KP). A moot point anyways, I've got admin rights on their boxes, & can see what they have installed at any time I like. :)
-Quag
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7. A hostage situation where the terrorists actually kill the hostages right in front of you, one by one.
8. Sexual situations where nudity is out in the open, like you bust (no pun intended) into a room and a naked woman is taking a shower. What do you do?
Thanks!
-Lex
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Thats right. Mommy or daddy probably has to drive you down to Best Buy where you can pick up your own game, or even better: Mommy and Daddy stand in line with you to buy the game. So why not just have the ol parental units go out and by the said game for you?
And if you are 16 and have a car, and pay for your own games.. well then... you probably give the impression that you are 17. Either that or you have some 17 year old friends.
Arg. I've never had this problem before.. but then again... I'm older than 17 years old :)
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Parents...
The Parents are the ones who are doing a poor job raising their kids. That's why you get those Columbine massacres. Not because of video games, but shoddy parenting jobs...
Parents need to be more responsible and stop pointing the finger at anyone but themselves... When I was in my early teens (23 now) I used to go to see Nightmare on Elm Street movies but I didn't turn into a finger-knife wielding maniac. I used to play Mortal Kombat in the arcades but I didn't go around ripping people's hearts out of their chests..
I used to play DOOM on my Jaguar but I didn't go around with a shot gun and start blowing people away. But parents see the need to blame their kids bad behavior on games.
I know most parents or parental figures who complain about violent video games do not even come to this site, but if they did I would tell them to mind their kids' business and stop blaming others for their fuckups as parents..
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I want extreme carnage. I want adult situations. I want fucking bombs and shrapnel ripping innocent bystanders to shreds. I want to see what's behind the widard's curtain (not his robe). Surely there's content worthy of M or 'beyond M' ratings.
Thanks!
-Lex
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I kind of wonder why car manufacturers haven't been required to make you breathe into the steering column when you start cars for a breathalyzer test.
I have no problem with enforcing what i feel to be mostly good laws (and come on, if this was in effect 10 years ago it would affect me not at all because i didn't play mature vid games and all my games were purchased by my parents)
As long as they don't enforce for possession by raiding houses and such.
What I find laughable about ratings like this is the unspoken premise that, at 17, you suddenly become somehow capable of making mature decisions.... Heh: just who do you think is responsible for the mess we're in? (Hint to K-Mart -- it ain't the children.)
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This sort of thing just doesn't work.
hah.
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funny stuff
If this enforcement of this ratings system starts to happen everywhere, games will become like movies in that the developers leave out content or compromise their game so that they can make a lower rating. Like the movie Eyes Wide Shut, it cut out a lot of the nudity in the movie to make it an R rating.
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A game is merely a collection of situations that the player must respond to. For mature content I'd like to see situations involving:
1. A true 'war is hell' wargame feeling. I felt that once in Close Combat 'A Bridge Too Far' when my men were crying out that they were dying and I was the reason why.
2. More moral delimas, like saving a group of people, but to do so means a single person must die, and we have to watch the horrible and possibly grisly results of our choice.
3. Chunks of flesh removed from opponents, ala Haunted House. I want to remove hunks of meat, or the right side of someones face.
4. Physical puzzles that - when operated incorrectly - show a scripted sequence of how the player is crushed alive or devoured by evil spirits. The old arcade games like Dragon's Lair or Space Ace were cool inthat they allowed the player to see himself actually dying in the exact manor he was involved in.
5. Realistic taunts, that involve screaming obscenities, the way it would be if players were trying to kill each other. The taunts need to be a bit more adult than 'die, bitch'.
6. NPCs so scared that they are pissing their pants and crying.
I want the equivelant of an R rating on games with true adult content.
Thanks!
-Lex
IMHO
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1. Get your parents to buy it for you.
2. Get your older friend to buy it for you.
3. Invest in a fake ID
And since computers are neat these days you could make your own fake ID pretty easily
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Consider that if violent M rated games are that much harder for children to obtain then surely idiots like Col. Grossman are going to have to think twice before continuing thier patjetic crusade against violent games.
After all, nobody cites Violent movies as an excuse for violent children because they know that if a child gets hold of a violent movie it is either the retailers fault or the parents fault.
Besides I'm more than old enough to buy this shit, anyone who is bothered by this clearly isn't.
BH
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Will the industry start producing more adult content? Kingpin and SOF revealed a new level of brutality and detail that had not been currently seen. My point is, other than these two games, what is in the content that gives it an M rating - and more importantly - will we see a level of detail and explicitness that is indicitave of a higher maturity rating?
If the ESRB or other activist groups are going to try and control exposure of questionable content found in games, I want to see some content that is worthy of someone who is mature. If I'm old enough (which I most definitely am), there should be games that cater to the 'beyond M' audience.
What type of games would we be seeing? Why don't you guys tell me...
Thanks!
-Lex
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Moo.
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