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Watch the full Oculus E3 2015 press conference here [Update: Watch the replay!]
The major E3 2015 press conferences are set to begin on Monday, but Oculus is not waiting until then. Their big press conference and today and you can watch it right here on Shacknews.
The major press conferences for E3 2015 are set to begin on Monday, but Oculus is about to beat everyone to the punch. Their big E3 press conference is actually today, which must be some sort of record.
This event begins at 10AM PT/1 PM ET and is expected to last about two hours, with all the biggest virtual reality news. You can keep it on Shacknews to catch up with the biggest announcements. You can also check out the full press conference below or on Twitch.
Update: The stream is over, but you can catch the full archive below.
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replyOzzie Mejia posted a new article, Watch the full Oculus E3 2015 press conference here
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OFFICIAL THREAD. Ozzie was first to shoot.
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This does give me an idea of when I should generally post these stories next week.
Even if people do ignore them and start their own threads anyway.]
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1pm Eastern. Give or take.
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in 37 minutes
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Think we will get some Carmack action?
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It's never word soup. I love his talks. Here's one on the physics of light and history of rendering from a couple years ago:
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Eh guessing maybe a little clip or something but I'm not expecting a quakecon style talk from him or abrash.
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Man i love this time of year for videogame stuff.
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So who do you think comes on stage first? Palmer?
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is there a youtube link? twitch always stutters for me
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https://www.oculus.com/en-us/
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When I clicked play it just re directed to twitch.
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Yep :(
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They should have licensed the blood dragon sound track instead of this music.
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Did he just admit on stage that it's not as high resolution as people would like?
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Ooooo input!
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Just one spec please.
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WHAAAAAAAT an Xbox One controller?!
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This is not a good speech, Iribe has given far better ones.
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what the fuck what if I already have one. thats extra costs nooooooo
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Yeah, that was a huge bummer.
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Lol wireless xbox wtf
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well, that was unexpected.
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It is. It's not necessarily smaller. It's lower resolution for sure (you're bound to the VR device res), but it can be "bigger" - it all depends on the "screen size" of the environment. Watching a movie on a virtual reality IMAX theatre does sound super silly, but it's a great experience.. I'd assume it's a bit similar for games.
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I watched GotG in 3D in Cinevo and it was great. It was like being in an IMAX-sized theater.
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Because then when you turn your head and nothing happens it gets you disorientation. The fixed screen in a VR environment gives you a fixed reference point.
Cockpit Gamez are great because you have that fixed point of reference.
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I fell out of my chair laughing at that. My coworkers came to check on me. Did that really just happen? Seriously?! Burn it all down! If I was Palmer Lucky I would be cashing out.
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SHE MUSTA CRASHED BECAUSE YOU'RE LAUGHING AT IT.
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This makes me nervous as this should be what microsoft should be doing with hololens. Though maybe it'll do the same on both
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OK show me amazing games. thats what im here for.
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GG, Valve gains the lead.
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You don't know they didn't try. They've got to release a product sometime soon and then build on that. Who knows what's down the pipeline.
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It's underwhelming so far but unless Valve is announcing the consumer version tomorrow, I don't see how Valve gains the "lead". What we're seeing from Oculus is the actual product, already polished and scaled for production. From Valve, just a few prototypes and just now a development kit.
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What were you expecting? This is a general presentation for the wider media, they have to spend a bit of time explaining what the hell VR is.
It's been a lot smoother than most MS / Sony / Ea / Ubisoft presentations.
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Why should oculus be the one to provide that as part of a package?
It's not at all clear what people want from VR or what developers will do with it. The last thing they want is to box people into some kind of power glove bullshit.
The time will come for all that, but ultimately it needs to start with what people are familiar with.-
Agreed. Step one is getting people to try the tech, wear the headsets, and buy them to put in their home.
Fancy input technology comes later, assuming they can get enough interest to make VR not fail this time.-
Yeah exactly.
Thats why I find it a little worrying that Valve is so focused on experiences that have people walking around their room and playing totally non traditional experiences. Getting that kind of thing right seems so far off.-
The number of people willing to buy a VR headset that involves walking around the room with a headset on is (I would guess) so much smaller than the number that will buy one that lets them just sit on the couch that it's not even comparable.
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Yeah exactly it's like valve are focusing on an endgame scenario for this tech that's way far off, when really the first steps towards that stuff isn't even proven yet.
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A wand puts you deep into gimmick territory. You've just eliminated 95% of games.
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That's fine, but as a platform, Oculus needs to be fairly agnostic.
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My point is, i think you're expecting too much if you thought the first round of VR headsets were going to solve that problem.
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Didn't they have hacked together test units? They didn't have finished products with a release date did they?
This is a media presentation, they're not going to go onstage and say "hey here's this new controller thing we haven't quite figured out yet, we also have no idea what anyone will do with it, but its kinda cool!"
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Well there you go, oculus touch!
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" they have to spend a bit of time explaining what the hell VR is"
Do they? Have we not been seeing this shit in movies for like 25 years now? For that matter there were VR products out 20 years ago. Shitty ones sure but I think people get the gist.-
so you pretty much answered the question, yes they have to explain why it's not like the shitty things people remember if they remember anything at all
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Explaining "what the hell VR is" and saying it isn't shitty are two different things.
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they're two parts of the same task
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It's becoming blindly obvious that Oculus is going for the low end mass market with this device. Vive will be the premium high end experience and the Rift will be the mass market device that everyone can afford. Well that assumes the price point comes in low enough. I have to assume the Xbone controller was a move to cut costs and avoid packing in more costume hardware on top of the headset.
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why would abrash leave vive for oculus? doesn't make any god damned sense.
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Money? Maybe when Oculus saw what the Vive could do they panicked and made dude an offer. They might be hoping to do something more robust in the 2nd gen of Rifts. Could also be that Abrash had accomplished all he wanted to Valve.
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That's true. I just read the gamasutra article about why Abrash left. Looks like the money Facebook brought to the table was the motivation. However, Facebook is all about the casual games. Would they really attempt to open their own online store to sell full games? Doesn't seem like their market.
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That's a good point that I didn't consider.
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Ofcourse they will, that's not the problem. The problem is how much control they will assert that might stop others from doing things they want to do. There is no indication that they will be dicks but they would have the power and that's enough. If Valve wants to add an independent balance to the industry they can't wait, they have to start now or Oculus will be too established.
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"What were people expecting? "
Something to get excited about. The only demo that even looked good was EvE and that thing is like what 2 years old by now?
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And now Eve: Valkyrie tries to make me less angry about Oculus shipping with an Xbone controller...
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Brutal ending!
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Those are ex-Vigil guys of Darksiders fame.
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Videos felt like 15fps. VR wants 90fps. So... yeah.
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Yes it is. These games need to be running at 90fps.
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Nah we have to listen to UX people.
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Not sure he will at all unless they show something about Gear VR.
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This is a terrible UI given it's in VR.
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Oh shit, they are doing a store. Hahaha! Fuck that! Looks like the battle line has been drawn.
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Holy shit are they making an input device??
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holy crap he's only 22? that's the insane part for me. he must have started all this at 18, because the kickstarter was in 2012 and they already had a prototype
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He hi-5'd the shit out of iribe's hand
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Haha Palmer's sandals.
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Save us, Palmer Luckey. You are our only hope...
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Oculus Touch, ok
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He can't. Palmer is literally more hyped than we are.
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I bet it's Kinect
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OH SNAP HERE IT IS
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so these will be available only on Oculus home?
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lol this guy is adorably not great at presenting. I like how genuinely enthusiastic he is though
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I'd rather watch this guy talk than anyone else who's presented so far.
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Yeah I didn't meant it as a negative thing. He's fine, but you can also tell he's stumbling over his words a lot. I liked when he clearly said the wrong line and then made an audible frustration noise before going back and doing the right line.
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Yep. Palmer is awesome. Not a business guy, just a dude that genuinely loves VR.
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Aha there we go, more input.
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It's the best lowest common denominator control method so makes sense to show it for everyone mainstream to be comfortable with how they'll play games with it.
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I can see the argument there, it's not just enthusiasts watching, there's also lots of boring suits who are just in it for the investment returns.
Still the way that they ordered things, it felt like it was almost an after thought.
"Thank you for attending our conf... OH RIGHT! THE INNOVATION! Uhhhh Palmer, come on stage!"
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I sense a 180 turn at reddit. They been raging like when Facebook bought Oculus.
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Okay so I came to see that. That's better.
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Oculus Flip Flops sold separately
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We need a damn video of these things in action - right now I just don't get it
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I just couldn't tell how they are actually held. They track finger movement but won't you drop them if you try to do a thumbs up? I can't tell where you actually grip it I guess
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Are you kidding me no demo of them at all
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Yeah i don't get how you can have much freedom of hand movement when gripping a stick. Also those rings seem tiny to actually catch movement.
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I guess, it looks cool but just seems cumbersome for the exact kind of finger movement described. I mean he mentioned "Imagine picking up a gun and firing with your index finger.." There is no way I can simulate picking something up when my hand is already full, i'll basically just be gesturing by moving my hand towards it..
I don't see how it will work for anything apart from thumbs up and pointing.
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we really need two power gloves with those laser sensors all over them, that's it.
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Okay, now those controllers are the next level shit I was expecting! Bravo!
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Yep impressive stuff.
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The gesture stuff is truly an impressive innovation. Valve may want to rethink their control scheme.
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So we're all going to have to get the Vive AND the Occulus, right? I mean, with vastly different native control schemes, games are often going to only support one or the other
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Aren't we talking about latest PC's not even having enough horsepower to run the displays at native res with high enough frame rate?
I'm talking about plugging the Rift into the XBOne and playing games directly on to it.
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Running a given res at a given frame rate isn't a problem, you just have to adjust the assets and FX accordingly. When standard games run at 720p 30fps, those same graphics will of course not run at 1080p+ at 60-90fps.
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They're absolutely fucked now that both major players are creating their own input device
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I think the goal of something like Steam VR is that it would have the capability to work with different interfaces and still function. Sure people might like using a mouse and keyboard or a controller with many Steam games, but they can use either or in many circumstances. Some games will work better with one interface or the other.
I don't plan on buying both, but it may happen. I will wait until we have some more live info on the Vive.
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That's really fuckin dumb to make it two SKUs. Oh man. Just charge more for the goddamned kit.
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I don't think increasing the price is where you want to be when trying to sell a whole new device category predicated on growing a market. Especially since as you try to bootstrap that market the majority of your VR experiences will use regular controllers since that's what devs have, know how to use, and work with ports of existing games.
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Majority of the games right now on the devkits play with existing controls.
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What is H1? First half? Should just have said Q2 but they're trying to hide that it will be later I guess
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as a Nintendo fanboy you should be all too familiar with the pros and cons of basing and bundling hardware platforms around unique controllers
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Fairly lackluster presentation but then they did a "One More Thing" which is a custom input device designed for VR that does hand tracking and allows you to do gesture stuff
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Lame presentations about shit no one cared about. No price given. Then the controllers that look awesome are announced at the very end, but will be sold separately and maybe later.
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This Fall/Winter looks like.
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I hope they sell a bundle without the controller. I have no need for it.
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You're in luck they ONLY sell it without t he controller as the controller is not going to release at the same time
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Oh, right. I actually feel the same way. I already have plenty of controllers!!
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I don't have the wireless dongle though. And only one controller so this saves me from going out to get another for the XB1.
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If you can place little IR stickers on certain keys or the joystick that the Rift can see and project into your video then it might help guide your hands or something. You wont see your hands but it'll help more than being blind basically.
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Likewise. I had no problem at all using my keyboard/mouse or XBOX controller. I am not interested in screwing around with custom controller schemes that few games will support anyway.
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No demo at all :(
Not even any videos of it moving. Just the guy on stage holding them, and a bunch of glamour shots of them being held-
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Palmer said he will be doing some demos at E3
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Unfortunately I assume this means no press will get to use touch at e3.
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You need two hands for Palmers hardware.
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Yea, and it didn't require a rainbow chatty thread :)
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He said to join him at the E3 booth and that place is gonna be crawling with press anyways.
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I still don't know how each setup compares, really. The Vive has lightroom (which is like the connect sort of?). So that part can sense the pointing I'm guessing.
I'm not sure I like the Oculus mass market approach. When it comes to tech like this, it seems that early adopters are the ones who really give it a push. Their feedback allows proper optimizations and improvements, then from there the product can be delivered to a wider audience.
Maybe I've overblown the issue, since both units are going to be gobbled up almost exclusively by early adopters. But the approach described above is a really good way to improve a product before it hits a wider audience. The pressure with a mass market approach is much greater.-
No, lightroom isn't like connect.
The main difference between the two is that the positional sensors in the Vive are on the controller and headset itself, and detect the laser from the two light nodes to determine their position based on timing, while the sensor on the oculus is a camera on your desk (or wherever) that picks up LEDs embedded in the rift headset (and the hard part of the strap in the back) and the two ring areas of the touch controllers.
Both have gyros and whatnot that also help.
Valve's solution can track in a larger space (and in fact can be stacked to track very large spaces), but it'll be tough to tell in advance how much of an advantage that is in the home.-
Also, more info on Oculus's solution:
“Constellation will allow for a bigger room area,” says Oculus CEO Brendan Iribe, “so you will be able to move around in it – and we have a number of different things that we are going to be talking about as we move forward on this.”
As shown the Constellation system uses a “single camera solution” on a basestation but the headset has “full 360 tracking, all off of a single camera – which is very impressive,” says Iribe. But that single solution won’t be the end of its bag of tricks.
The HTC Vive uses a combination of two tracking sensors to create a trackable space of about 15’x15′ – with the capacity to add more sensors to enhance the trackable volume and space. It looks like Oculus will be following suit. “We do support multiple sensors,” says Iribe, “It doesn’t require you to mount things on your walls – but you can if you want to. We’ve made it so the sensor has a standard screw hole that you can screw in if you want to mount them in different places.”
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Here's my take on the Xbox One controller: I'm okay with it.
First off, not everyone who is interested in using VR has two hands...or even one hand. There are plenty of accessibility options that integrate with XInput that will allow everyone to utilize the controls.
The primary use case for Oculus appears to be the seated use case (as opposed to the Vive's 15' walking box), so having your limbs focused on a single wireless controller, especially one where most users keep the controller near their lap or chest, will help minimize "flailing" and reduce accidental "knocks" outside the play area.
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My two cents:
1. I am not sold on third person VR experiences in games. Are you just floating in the air while you watch some little person (gender neutral) run around a maze? I guess I have experience it to see how this is implemented.
2. I think in the end a low price is what moves units. PS4 won the opening round this console cycle based on its price. I actually am predicting a significant cost savings over Vive (the Xbox 1 bundle suggests this) and therefore the Vive, even though likely superior, will have challenges unless there is a killer app. Which would be Portal 3 or Half Life 3 (I wish)
3. I am concerned about occlusion of the camera's line of sight of the oculus touch by the desk edge. I guess you need to step back so you can hand your arms down on your sides? No seated experience.
4. I would love to see how VR also addresses haptics and full hand/finger tracking. So far sight, sound have clear solutions but input and haptics don't have a consensus yet, yet I think having 1:1 interaction and feedback on your hands play a critical role in presence. Anchoring your hands to an Xbox controller and not seeing your hands is probably a critical component of presence
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It depends, unfortunately it's hard to judge from the videos but there are some "diorama" games that make good use of VR. If you have access to a Gear VR try James' Legacy and Oculus' own game Herobound. In Herobound the camera position is fixed similar to the Resident Evil games. Lucky's Tale is supposed to work really well in VR.
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About the controls did you miss the input solution Palmer debut? It will be usable at e3 so hopefully have some good impressions from it.
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You can switch to tactical command of ships in Enemy Starfighter and that's basically going from first person ship combat to third person fleet management. It works well and plays almost like a tactical homeworld. I'd like to see OR set up for HW Remastered.
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