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Interview With an Exploit Coder

by Maarten Goldstein, Aug 14, 2000 1:57pm PDT
Related Topics – Interview, Quake 3 Arena

AdminCentral.net, the site for server admins, has a chat log of a discussion between AC's Dekard and a guy called sYx66. Basically sYx66 created several aim/firebots, but is calling them "toys" instead of cheats. He has however also helped the guys from Quake3 competition mod Q3Comp protect the mod against these exploits.

<NE|sYx66> it was my friend who i showed it to and it was on his hd
<NE|sYx66> there are many things created but none went public that is why ppl dont call me cheat creators it wasnt my fault thing went out so i shouldnt be really called cheat maker cuz it wasnt designed as cheat
<Dekard> but you made it and people are using it.. :)
<NE|sYx66> well its not my fault u use it
Ah yes the always clever "not my fault that you use it" answer.




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  • These cheats will be made, regardless of who does it. Would you rather only a select group of people know about them and use them or have the cheats be public information? When the cheats are out in the public, they can be fixed. Even if they can't be fixed, at least there is a level playing field for everyone (of course, this doesn't apply to auto-aim bots and whatnot, but it does for cheats such as the quake2 nose pak.) Another point I'd like to make is that many, many people had the nose/rocket prediction pak for quake2 before it became public information. I am not talking about a week or two before-- this was months. In fact, I know of at least two different nose paks that were developed independantly of eachother. When the whole nose pak deal exploded, I was happy that everyone would at least know about it, rather than only a select few (I only knew of the nosepak/rocket prediction a week or two before v23 posted the info on ogl's msg board).

    The entire situation is similar to napster, imo. Much as napster can be used legitimately, so can these autoaim bots and nose paks. As long as you don't use them on a public server, they're fine. I am sure that many people who support napster are the same people who are flaming syx66. Of course, this is simply because of their own selfishness and self interest.

    :-)


  • Dekard: are you just in a bad mood? Wanna start a fight? Whats the mission here? what are you wanting to get out of this conversations?

    NE|sYx66: the mission here is to get u to take off that comment about me

    Dekard: ok... now we have focus



    Little do I care whether the l337 d00dz of this world get treated fairly in interviews or not. But this is...obviously pathetic leading. Dekard wants to piss off the guy (who rightly perceives that any earlier buddy-buddy stuff was set up for a betrayl), and then run back and publish the log, and, well, ugh. The whole thing smacks of dishonesty.

    Much worse behavior than any mere cheat for a game.






  • sYx66, you're so blatantly stupid and full of shit that it's pathetic.

    "The point here is that autofire was designed BEFORE pure was cracked."

    Riiight. As if BEFORE the pure hack it had an alternate use other than cheating. Nope. The only function this project could've had, dipshit, it to create a CHEAT. Trying to pass the blame off on the person that made the pure hack is pure childish bullshit on YOUR part.

    "It was just a toy to code and to show people how easy id makes to code such things."

    I don't remember anyone ever needing this sort of proof OTHER THAN ID MOTHER FUCKING SOFTWARE. You COULD'VE played it smart and simply sent it to them and kept the rest under your hat, but seeing as you're a juvenile moron who couldn't think his way out of a room with 4 open doors, you decided to do pretty much the exact opposite.

    "If you call me a cheat maker then you can as well call id cheaters for including shownormals cvar. I mean it wasn't made to be a cheat but it is used with pure like crazy."

    Yet again, we get to see just how pathetically retarded your reasoning is with this sentence. You managed to answer your own stupidity, but apparently you weren't listening to yourself. Was shownormals put it EXCLUSIVELY to cheat with? No, you just answered yourself that it's not. Was your autofire bot made with the sole purpose of cheating? Yep. Does your autofire bot have ANY other use WHATSOEVER besides cheating? Nope. This sinking in yet, gomer?

    "The thing that was stolen at lan is NOT the bot, it is like 10 month old nosepak which added a long nose to a model. Way back me and my friend were fooling with Q2 since it had so many bugs. After it got stolen it went to some people and then one posted it to public."

    So, basically you're admitting that you're just a total idiot by leaving potentially damaging (to Q2) files on an unsecure machine so that anyone that has as little intelligence as you can find them? GOOD GOING ACE!

    "The chat wasn't meant to be shown to people (I never been asked) that is why a lot of people misunderstand a lot of points I made there since they don't know what points I made to Dekard in order to stop treating me like I coded ratbot for Q3."

    Gee, maybe people wouldn't have "misunderstood" your "points" if you would've managed to actually SPEAK COHERENTLY. Besides, your "points" were nothing but faulty logic drivel the likes of which i usually see from twerp teenagers that only THINK they're smarter than they really are.

    No, the chat was meant to show the Quake comunity what a completely moronic CHILD you are. It succeeded. There's a reason why cheaters are considered childish, pathetic, and stupid script kiddies. YOU are that reason.






  • Firstly, I don't own a gun, statistically I think it's a bad idea, especially since I have children.

    But I'll tell you what. Guns may or may not be a cause of problems, I really don't know, but what I do know is I'm not willing to restrict access to guns because it starts (or more to the point, continues) a nasty trend. American's right to bear arms is one of our defining freedoms that sets us apart from the rest of the -LESS FREE- world (the other right being freedom of speech and expression). Ok, take away the guns then we are 'safer' right? Well whats next? No more video games? Fuck that. I'm getting sick and fucking tired of all the people who are trying to further restrict our freedoms in the US. This shit keeps up and it's going to be like 1984 or something.

    As the saying goes:

    When they took the fourth amendment, I was quiet because I didn't deal drugs.


    When they took the sixth amendment, I was quiet because I was innocent.


    When they took the second amendment, I was quiet because I didn't own a gun.


    Now they've taken the first amendment, and I can say nothing.