Interview With an Exploit Coder
by Maarten Goldstein, Aug 14, 2000 1:57pm PDTAdminCentral.net, the site for server admins, has a chat log of a discussion between AC's Dekard and a guy called sYx66. Basically sYx66 created several aim/firebots, but is calling them "toys" instead of cheats. He has however also helped the guys from Quake3 competition mod Q3Comp protect the mod against these exploits.
<NE|sYx66> it was my friend who i showed it to and it was on his hdAh yes the always clever "not my fault that you use it" answer.
<NE|sYx66> there are many things created but none went public that is why ppl dont call me cheat creators it wasnt my fault thing went out so i shouldnt be really called cheat maker cuz it wasnt designed as cheat
<Dekard> but you made it and people are using it.. :)
<NE|sYx66> well its not my fault u use it
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"It's not my fault that I shot 20 people" "blame it on the gun makers, if I did't have a gun none of this would have happend"
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Where I live, there is a murder about once every year or so and that is if you include all of the dozen or so little butt pimple cities around here. And guess what, of the 3 I can remember, only one was done with a gun.
If Americans have a problem with violent crime I don't think you can put all the blame on our guns. I might also have something to do with our dog-eat-dog school system. heh
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YE GODS CALL IN THE NATIONAL GUARD!!!!!!!
Remote: ksshhhh Attention White House, we have a confirmed script kiddie live in sector 214 ksshhhh
White House: ksshhhh Roger that Remote, script kiddie sector 214 verified. Out. ksshhhh
I bet this fag learnt that you don't have to be responsible for your actions from Mr. Clinton himself..
he is not guilty.
The entire situation is similar to napster, imo. Much as napster can be used legitimately, so can these autoaim bots and nose paks. As long as you don't use them on a public server, they're fine. I am sure that many people who support napster are the same people who are flaming syx66. Of course, this is simply because of their own selfishness and self interest.
:-)
NE|sYx66: the mission here is to get u to take off that comment about me
Dekard: ok... now we have focus
Little do I care whether the l337 d00dz of this world get treated fairly in interviews or not. But this is...obviously pathetic leading. Dekard wants to piss off the guy (who rightly perceives that any earlier buddy-buddy stuff was set up for a betrayl), and then run back and publish the log, and, well, ugh. The whole thing smacks of dishonesty.
Much worse behavior than any mere cheat for a game.
But I guess I don't have a clue.
Man you lie like a dog with no legs. Not seeking attention my ass. Not to mention changing your story from "I released for people to learn from!" to "My friend released it, not me!"
Pathetic.
"The point here is that autofire was designed BEFORE pure was cracked."
Riiight. As if BEFORE the pure hack it had an alternate use other than cheating. Nope. The only function this project could've had, dipshit, it to create a CHEAT. Trying to pass the blame off on the person that made the pure hack is pure childish bullshit on YOUR part.
"It was just a toy to code and to show people how easy id makes to code such things."
I don't remember anyone ever needing this sort of proof OTHER THAN ID MOTHER FUCKING SOFTWARE. You COULD'VE played it smart and simply sent it to them and kept the rest under your hat, but seeing as you're a juvenile moron who couldn't think his way out of a room with 4 open doors, you decided to do pretty much the exact opposite.
"If you call me a cheat maker then you can as well call id cheaters for including shownormals cvar. I mean it wasn't made to be a cheat but it is used with pure like crazy."
Yet again, we get to see just how pathetically retarded your reasoning is with this sentence. You managed to answer your own stupidity, but apparently you weren't listening to yourself. Was shownormals put it EXCLUSIVELY to cheat with? No, you just answered yourself that it's not. Was your autofire bot made with the sole purpose of cheating? Yep. Does your autofire bot have ANY other use WHATSOEVER besides cheating? Nope. This sinking in yet, gomer?
"The thing that was stolen at lan is NOT the bot, it is like 10 month old nosepak which added a long nose to a model. Way back me and my friend were fooling with Q2 since it had so many bugs. After it got stolen it went to some people and then one posted it to public."
So, basically you're admitting that you're just a total idiot by leaving potentially damaging (to Q2) files on an unsecure machine so that anyone that has as little intelligence as you can find them? GOOD GOING ACE!
"The chat wasn't meant to be shown to people (I never been asked) that is why a lot of people misunderstand a lot of points I made there since they don't know what points I made to Dekard in order to stop treating me like I coded ratbot for Q3."
Gee, maybe people wouldn't have "misunderstood" your "points" if you would've managed to actually SPEAK COHERENTLY. Besides, your "points" were nothing but faulty logic drivel the likes of which i usually see from twerp teenagers that only THINK they're smarter than they really are.
No, the chat was meant to show the Quake comunity what a completely moronic CHILD you are. It succeeded. There's a reason why cheaters are considered childish, pathetic, and stupid script kiddies. YOU are that reason.
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I mean, all of you are complaining about the rampant crime in the US and how people need guns to protect themselves. And yet, people in the US already have a shitload of guns. There's like 10 guns / US citizen if I remember correctly. How much more do you think it takes to make it a safe place??
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But I'll tell you what. Guns may or may not be a cause of problems, I really don't know, but what I do know is I'm not willing to restrict access to guns because it starts (or more to the point, continues) a nasty trend. American's right to bear arms is one of our defining freedoms that sets us apart from the rest of the -LESS FREE- world (the other right being freedom of speech and expression). Ok, take away the guns then we are 'safer' right? Well whats next? No more video games? Fuck that. I'm getting sick and fucking tired of all the people who are trying to further restrict our freedoms in the US. This shit keeps up and it's going to be like 1984 or something.
As the saying goes:
When they took the fourth amendment, I was quiet because I didn't deal drugs.
When they took the sixth amendment, I was quiet because I was innocent.
When they took the second amendment, I was quiet because I didn't own a gun.
Now they've taken the first amendment, and I can say nothing.
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http://www.shugashack.com/funk.y?id=321086
man, that was a relevant post that makes me just glow inside! how entertaining!
jesus christ go microwave some aluminum foil or something.
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Well in your example the only person who is hurt is the idiot who drinks the poison. But by using his bot, sure you're making the decision to be a cheater, but you're also exploiting others by leading them to believe you have exceptional aim.
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Let us put the responsibility where it belongs, on the owner and user of the gun. If he or she acts responsibly, without attacking others or causing injury negligently, no crime or harm has been done. Leave them in peace. But, if a person commits a crime with a gun, then impose the severest penalties for the injuries done to the victim. Similarly, hold the negligent gun user fully liable for all harm his negligence does to others.
Rather than banning guns, the politicians and the police should encourage gun ownership, as well as education and training programs. A responsible, well-armed and trained citizenry is the best protection against domestic crime and the threat of foreign invasion. America's founders knew that. It is still true today.
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Harry Browne, Libertarian for President in 2000 - http://www.harrybrowne2000.org & http://www.lp.org
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I hope he reads this site. And I'd like to say this to him: You are a faggy little teeniebopper fuck.
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