The Napster Shutdown Order
by Maarten Goldstein, Aug 13, 2000 7:26am PDTAs a follow up to the recent Napster events that almost led to the shut down of Napster while waiting for the trial (story 1, story 2) on Yahoo. The judge who had granted the preliminary injunction has now released the details as of why she did that. Napster has to deliver papers this week that show why the judge was wrong in her decision.
"Indeed...(Napster) has contributed to a new attitude that digitally downloaded songs ought to be free--an attitude that creates formidable hurdles for the establishment of a commercial downloading market," [judge] Patel wrote.If Napster doesn't come up with a good reason as of why they shouldn't be shut down, they still will be and Napster will be pretty much dead as the trials with the RIAA could take a very long time.
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Distributing pirated material is!!!
THERE ARE NO FILES ON NAPSTER SERVERS!!!!
NAPSTER DOES NOT DISTRIBUTE ANY MORE THEN FTP,APACHE,WINDOWS FILE SHARING, ICQ, IRC, or ANY OTHER FILE SHARING METHOD!!!
sorry about the rant but I belive it is against the law to single one person out of a crowd of hundreds to set an example. If they want to shut down napster they should make sure that there is no method of anytype of data transfer ever! After all Napster is just a file sharing method.
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"If Napster doesn't come up with a good reason as of why they couldn't be shut down, they still will be and Napster will be pretty much dead as the trials with the RIAA could take a very long time."
Good English:
"Unless Napster comes up with a good reason, they will be shut down. And because trials with the RIAA take a long time, Napster will most likely be dead."
or something. I think I clarified that just a little bit more. But i know nothing about english :)
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But mp3's will still be pirated using some other programs, even the old-school ways, and the stupid people who exposed Napster will cease to exist.
Remember, if the people were smart enough to keep their mouths shut, Napster might not have been found out?
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1) Napster owners and employees (I can understand this)
2) The peeps who are using napster to trade illegal music files. (You can say whatever you want, but that is exactly what it is: trading and downloading illegal music.)
Now, if an artist AND their record label put out singles in .mp3 format, or even if they agree to allow full album download, then it's cool, but right now it's stealing, and stealing is againt the law. The RIAA is perfectly withiun their right to ask to have Napster closed down permanently.
For the record, I think the RIAA is a pack of shit-eaters, but they're legal shit-eaters. I'm hoping that the states abti-trust lawsuit against the major recording labels shakes them into oblivion so I can afford to buy CD's again. (I can afford it, but I can't spend $20 for a CD. It's ridiculous.)
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thats what it is
hehhe
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heh..
lemme get on my compaq and find that book mark.. i didnt transfer my bookmarks.. but i know its there
hehe
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28 States have filed a suit against numerous record labels, alleging that they conspired to raise the prices of CDs, costing consumers as much as $480 million (estimated by the FTC) since the early 90s.
This is what the Associated Press had to say about it:
"The lawsuit comes three months after the five major music distributors, while admitting no wrongdoing, settled Federal Trade Commission charges they unfairly inflated CD prices.
Under that deal, the companies agreed to discontinue minimum advertised price programs that forced retailers to sell music CDs at or above a set level in return for getting substantial advertising funding.
Keith Estabrook, a spokesman for BMG Music, said the company still believed that the pricing policy ``was a legitimate and appropriate practice and we are confident that the courts will reach the same conclusion.''
Will Tanous, a Warner Music spokesman, concurred, saying the pricing policies served ``a valid business purpose and benefited consumers by substantially furthering retail competition.''
``It was an appropriate and lawful practice,'' he added.
Doug Curry, a spokesman for the Recording Industry Association of America, declined to comment.
The lawsuit by the states essentially does what the FTC promised not to do in its settlement deal: seek damages for past pricing tactics. But the attorneys general said they were seeking damages on behalf of the consumers they represent.
They said the record companies in February 1995 conspired to force several large discount retailers to raise prices after the retailers bought CDs in such large volume that they could undercut the prevailing high retail prices.
The deals initially drew vigorous protests from discount retailers but the chains eventually gave up because the financial penalty for not participating in the scheme was too costly, the lawsuit said.
As a result, CD prices stabilized and then rose, the lawsuit said.
Besides the record companies, the lawsuit named some large record stores as defendants, including Tower Records.
``Prices are not coming down,'' he [spokesman for Tower Records] told the Los Angeles Times. ``They're already at rock bottom. It's outrageous to mislead music fans to think otherwise.''
According to the FTC, the five companies distribute 85 percent of the music CDs sold in the United States, an industry that reported a record $15 billion in sales last year. The average CD now costs $14 to $17, though discount stores had once sold some popular CDs for as little as $10."
It makes me wonder why the spokesman for Tower doesn't look back at what his company and DOZENS of other companies said in the early 90s - that CD prices were high because it was a new technology and that they would eventually fall.
I'm still waiting for the fall, and the RIAA isn't helping me in the slightest. And I don't like being ripped off just as much as they and their artists don't like being ripped off. The only problem is that we've been ripped off, in the long run, more (money-wise) than Napster has ripped off the labels and the artists.
Pathetic.
I'll also be writing Colorado's attourney general to ask why we're not included in this lawsuit. Our prices are easily $20 or $21 after taxes. (Fortunately, SecondSpin.com has a physical store near my house, so I can buy used CDs in near-mint condition for around $5, after taxes).
Oh, and the states involved are: Arizona, Arkansas, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Maryland, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Nevada, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Washington, West Virginia and Wisconsin. The Northern Mariana Islands and Puerto Rico have also joined the fray.
Adam Steinbaugh
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Do I believe what I just said? A very small part of it. Otherwise it was just to get you guys riled up.
Thanks for the laughs, guys. Time to go play some RA3.
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brw.. prower who gives a rats ass how ya get the mp3's? i've gone from ftpin mp3's to abe's mp3 finder to napster
its just EASIER to use napster you moron.. who cares if its not the "elite" way to find mp3's as long as it gets the job done. btw if yer soo 1337 why are you using windows? why not use a mac!
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using a mac is the ultimate 1337 d00d thing..
STFU prower!
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People who steal MP3's will only find other ways to do it that CANNOT be shutdown and it will help focus the spotlight even more precisely on how badly the music industry has been screwing both the customer and the artists.
The music industry, as it exists now, needs to either evolve or die.
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