V5-6000 Date

Posting in random comments excites me!

Maybe they just can't get it small enough to fit in anyone's case

Someone who posts with his name and clan web address.. Can't say that much for you though...

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RD-Natoma
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You make a perfectly valid point regarding you using a GF for your work. The T&L engine on the GF is perfect for 3dstudio max, bryce, etc. that use static geometry and can be accelerated easily...

Though I do disagree with you on the image quality front. We have a V5-5500 and a GF DDR (hercules) and an SDR (creative labs) and when enabling FSAA, the 5500 really is heads and tails above the GF. That's why I laugh at these so called FSAA shootouts because all they stress are the jaggies, but you never hear anyone saying anything about the pixel popping or the texture swimming. Just the jaggies...

Nvidia and ATI AA do not take care of the pixel popping or the texture swimming. 3dfx's does. That was very evident, and clue to me that these sites like anandtech really aren't doing all their work, or deliberately not stressing that point.

also, no one has done any mpeg's or avi's of this in action. I am 100% honest when I say screenshots do not do 3dfx's AA justice. Seeing a GF and V5 doing AA is night and day. Not because of the framerates (which the V5 kills the GF in), but because of the image quality.

Also, if you take a look at the screenies of 3dfx when their FXT1 compression is enabled, and then take a look at the nvidia S3TC, especially in Q3, you'll notice FXT1 has no artifacts, while S3TC has a shitload of them...

For your work, yes. You have the best card. In terms of image quality? hrm.. I'd give that one hands down to 3dfx..

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RD-Natoma
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Anyone know of any Q3 benches for both the V5 and GTS with texture compression (blah!) disabled. I have some preternatural hatred for artifacting, be it from texture compression, color dithering or what not. I'd like to see how the V5 holds up (in Q3A) without its FXTC turned on.

A few things:

If you can differeniate 16bit and 32bit, you're blind. Even during intense Q3 one-on-ones. 16bit = ASS. Banding = ASS. Dithering = ASS.

Not a SINGLE news site has said the NV20 will be delayed. If there was some truth to it, one of the popular news sites would make at least a "rumor" post.

The TNT2 Ultra beat out the Voodoo 3 (any of them) in any non-Glide game for the most part. The Voodoo 3 only does ONE pixel per clock with two textures. The TNT2 Does TWO pixels per clock with one texture each. Even in multitextured games this speeds things up because rocket explosions, light halos, marks on walls, sky, and smoke grenades are all single pass effects. Only the walls and player models are dual pass. That's why the TNT2 is faster than the Voodoo 3 for the most part. Clock speed is secondary to that.

Yes I agree, the TNT2 is as advanced as a single VSA-100 ignoring the very tweaked out SLI setup. The TNT2 is almost feature for feature equal to the VSA-100. I would imagine a TNT2 SLI setup would give equivilant performance to a Voodoo 5 5500. But why bother when a Geforce 2 is about 5 times faster than the TNT2 Ultra and has even MORE feature like HDTV, DVI, DVD, and dual monitor support?

Laf.. I tell #69 about his double negative usage and then I go and use one.. haha

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RD-Natoma
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I just wish that FSAA didn't make the damn HUD's blurry in flight sims. It's bad enough that it makes it almost unusable. It's like someone smudged grease over the HUD letters. The only other games that I use it in are in driving games, and in those it looks really sweeeeeeet.

Right now, the GF2 has a better image quality in the two driving games that I play. However, in one game the Voodoo is faster. In the other game they are both the same. When the image quality of the Voodoo in FSAA is fixed that will prolly be the card to use. Of course, Nvidia might get their drivers together as well.

Of course, in a while the new vidchips will be out and this will all be moot.

I want some crispy FSAA damnit!

Textures aren't the only reason for 32bit or even 64bit, its for the mutliple passes that games do,... fog looks much better in 32bit than it does in 16 bit, because of the multiple passes... but even then it's not as good as it could be, 64 bit in-card will be great for movie-like effects and fog and such... Carmack is right when he says we need 64 bit in cards.

Also q3a is a good game to bench video cards, unreal tournament is not, (i actually like UT more btw). q3a is video card limited at a processer over about 600, (i have a cel@460 and so it's limited for me on cpu at low res)

Of course you don't always want to use 1 game to test the performance, but q3a is fairly good to compare scores with...

FSAA needs to be seen to judge the difference....screenshots cant do it justice at all. But im sure most of you knew this ;) Regardless of any fanboys out there... i dig my v5 5500 and geyforce. *shrugs* they both perty and play ma damn games. heh

I need to get a freaking laptop. Think i can get a V5-6000 custom fitted into one? hehehe
Anyways though...i just wish the laptops would hurry up and either come with a radeon type chip or that geyforce mx. then id be primed for a portable.

Personally... i kinda dig on this site here.... http://www.voodooextreme.com/reverend/Main.html

Seems to not be biased to me.

Off topic, bishes!!!

I just got my brand spankin' new Golden Orb and Celery 2 533. I'm gonna overclock the shit out of them now.

WE NOW RETURN TO OUR SCHEDULED BROADCAST

Ok fuck it...off topic but when is it not? Holy grail of Mass multiplayer gaming.....*quake* style action with in a sci-fi universe. Maybe falloutish for the setting but with real time action like with rocket launchers and shit. hehehe if someone could pull off the predictions of this undertaking and actually get it right. who here wouldnt play it?

Oh shit....more SlimJim words of wisdom! hehehe

I agree with the theory .. the V5-5500 SHOULD be compared to the GF1 SDR / DDR

The V5-6000 was meant to compete with nvidia's GF DDR and last into their "next offering" GTS

Obviously this isnt the case - they are late sure, but they were INTENDED to do this, and theoretically they have acheived this, just too late.


I dislike nvidia because of their overpricing thats my sole whine.... but i'd stillbuy their cards if I had the $

Natoma, I do agree with most of your theories on 3dfx and the fac that 32bit PLAYABLE just wasnt an option until the DDR GF (anyone who did it on a TNT2U is a moron in my opinion)

however, Q3 was NOT the 1'st 32bit game, I beleive Kingpin was one of the "fuck this looks bad in 16 bit" games...

Holy crap, a 3dfx / nVidia fight! No way!

This is funny. Nvidia fanboys wishing the demise of 3dfx. 3dfx fanboys wishing the demise of Nvidia. ATI fanboys (god do they even exist?), well... I dunno..

Look. If we lose 3dfx then Nvidia will simply raise their prices to the high heavens, and not innovate nearly as much as they'd have to. Look what happened when 3dfx came in and dominated the marketplace with the Voodoo 1. They didn't do anything for 2 years until the competition started catching up and they released the Voodoo 2.

Businesses will do *Whatever* it takes to maximise their profits. If Nvidia had the type of technological lead whereby they could actually get out of their 12 month development cycle (I say 12 month because that's when they release new cores. 6 months is just a refresh) I bet you they would milk it as long as they could.

Oh wait, they already did. They kept the prices of the GeForces as high as possible practically up until the GF2's released because they had no competition.

You people who are wishing the demise of 3dfx or Nvidia or ATI or Matrox or whoever are idiots who don't understand market dynamics. We need *all* of them competing against one another so we can get the lowest prices.

Or are some of you too young to remember the days in which a 50Mhz increase from Intel meant paying a $300-$400 premium? Yes, that's right. Back in '98 when AMD wasn't a threat I remember Intel releasing the P2-400, at ~ $800. Then 5 months later, yes, 5 months, they released the P2-450 at ~ $850 with the P2-400 costing in ~ $600.

I for one do not care to ever revisit that type of price gouging. And when some of you children get jobs you won't either.

Competition == Good
No Competition != Good

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RD-Natoma
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3dfx is going down. I wonder what the logic is that they see in releasing the 6000 late?

Must mean that Rampage is behind schedule.

This "old" 6000 is going to be their fall product. What Nvidia card is coming out next that the 6000 will have to compete with?

The V5-6000 will be out by Christmas.

Hopefully of this year.

hehe

Oh, I have changed my mind
3dfx are really good, all thier products have been netter than nvidia's.

Well, actually I am not telling the truth.
There is no way on gods green earth that I would have swapped my TNT2 ultra for a voodoo3.
unless i went mental in the brain or sommit

The word 'clan' comes from Jonathon Hackett, founder and creator of the Red Dragons
hmmm something very wrong with that I just can't put my finger on it.

Ahh, and you'll get those morons that are all, "If it's expensive, it's GOT to be better!"

The 5500 can't compete with the latest nVidia stuff, so what makes me think that the 6000 will hold it's own after nVidia comes up with something better TWO MONTHS LATER?!

3dfx lost it's edge after the Voodoo3.

well my v2 served me faithfully until i got the geforce

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oh wow man I was way off...

heh

ah, thanks pal. But I do know that sport-utes have been INCREDIBLE profitable for almost every car manufacturer.. that's the point. Sexy Supercars have not been as profitable.