How winter in Company of Heroes 2 will change online multiplayer

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  it's an interesting premise at least. I wonder how game-altering it could realy be though. /don't figh... : vertdang
  • my guess is about as much as putting infantry in buildings. can be effective, but limited. always wante... : daggot
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  "If they're a great player, it shouldn't be just about having one build order. If a blizzard blows in, th... : pizzaput
  • They're* Looks like you've not touched a grammar book since Warcraft 3 either. : jackomack
  • I love Relic's mechanics, but their balancing is truly awful. : 0mar
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    Same reason why Chess sucks and why Go is such a terrible game : Serpico74
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      Welllll ... in a sense, yes. You can be the most brilliant strategist in the world with an IQ off the ch... : bipolar
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        I know about Chess360 and I think its a cool idea. That said, Relic isn't the company to be "fixing" s... : Serpico74
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          Also, this is complete nonsense: "it shouldn't be just about having one build order. If a blizzard blows : Serpico74
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            Yeah, that also struck me as odd. You react to a build order, to what the opponent does, not to a dice-ro... : Moonbase Commander
            • It kinda felt that statement came from the old WC2 days. Back then, build order was everything; mostly b... : daggot
      • AFAIK go doesn't fall to that the way chess does! could be wrong though : xsoulbrothax
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    "One blizzard could also be your savior because it forces an opponent to kind of hunker down and wait for : Magitek
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      no, that kind of shit is fine. It's just like the ball bouncing weird in football. The key is that it... : 0mar
      • nope. pro players hate random shit. like crits in TF2? drama bombs galore. everything must be contr... : Downforce
      • If it affects both sides equally at the same time (ie, the blizzard hits the entire map and not just smal... : Beady
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      The best competitive games (DOTA, Starcraft, Street Fighter) don't have randomized elements like that. ... : Serpico74
      • Guess that depends on whether you want luck or skill to win out. In sports I suppose the idea is "may the... : Marrbe
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        There are certainly elements of randomness in Dota (crits, neutral spawns to a degree). CS had lots of ra... : mathyou
        • One reason CS:S failed in the competitive scene is that it made bullet spread patterns far less predictab... : Serpico74
        • Crits are limited to a few characters only -- often are item / gold / level dependent on characters that ... : darkT
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        I am constantly surprised how much randomness there is in DotA and people don't care or don't notice. ... : Rampancy
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          DOTA has a maximalist design compared to most games, and certainly over games like SC or SF, absolutely. ... : Serpico74
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            I dunno, there's still some really crucial random stuff built into the map like runes (location and type), and uphill misses are specifically placed in key locations like outside the bases and leading into the river.
            
            Creeps do spawn at the same time, but their damage is always slightly random (if you leave the map run sometimes a different lane is naturally pushed). Neutral spawns are also random.
            
            I just don't think DotA really proves your point very much. Street Fighter, yeah (from what I know). I know Brood War used to have missing uphill but yeah I think they removed it?

            Dec 31, 2012 5:30pm PST
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            I dunno, there's still some really crucial random stuff built into the map like runes (location and type)... : Rampancy
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              In Brood War there is a 30% less chance of being hit if you are on the high ground. This is a form of bal : Serpico74
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                BTW, the way DOTA achieves balance is pretty amazing. So many games have been nerfing things in the name ... : Serpico74
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                  I like the idea of buffing to balance things. The thing you have to balance around is players still havin... : sammyl
                  • Absolutely. I feel like all of these competitive games, LoL included, have been doing a really great job ... : Serpico74
      • Yup, and LoL too has been getting rid of randomness for a while. Dodge is gone, almost no spells can crit... : sammyl
      • It's true. I played in a L4D tournament back when stuff was randomized and it was the WORST ever becau... : Rice-Rocketeer
  • A random event should never affect the outcome or flow of a competitive game : maulla
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  When they added rain to various CoH maps, it was awful and distracting. : Junktown
  • ^^ Most incorrect statement I've heard so far in 2013 : g3dHorse
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    isnt that the point? : RikiTiki2
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      COH2 is gonna be bad ass, period. Anyone whining because of a little snow storm is a crybaby. War is hell... : k1ld0r
      • I'm looking forward to this one, if for nothing else a different RTS at the very least! : MadMatt
• PREORDER CAN'T WAIT! : coyoterys
• It's a neat gimmick for a friendly comp stomp or something, but unfortunately no one's going to want to b... : darthfusion