Timescale and v1.08

You know the speed Rune? I think it uses timescale to make you run fast. Also when you get Quad you can shoot a little faster. It might use it too.

timescale could be very useful for testing/observing animation for player models for instance. remember you can also slow the game down too. try watching gibs with timescale \".5\". pretty nice looking.

Guys i think timescale is a way for quake3 to determine your fps when you run a timedemo it automatically sets to a certian value depending on your system and keeps changing thats why you see the timedemo go so blazingly fast (this is all my assumption). If im wrong just go ahead and tell me im just takin a stab here.

Jump onto a public server and set it too 2 or 3. You should be able to get first place.

here is my observation of timescale and what is working and what isn\'t. ]R[Gauss and myself set up a listen server to test everything this evening and the first thing i noticed was that unless i set my timescale to something close to Gauss\' things were awfully lagged and choppy and overall just crap. the closer i set mine to that of the listen server the smoother it became. when i sync\'d my timescale at .6 with the server things were wonderfully smooth and slow :)

so.... i am only left to assume that if you are adjusting your time scale, the further you deviate from that of the server, the worst the choppiness JohnC describes becomes. I suppose this means someone could set their timescale to 1.05 and gain a slight advantage over anyone using a timescale of 1, suffering minimal choppiness at the huge advatage of shooting and moving faster than his opponent. it is also a little difficult to tell who is doing it if you aren\'t paying close attention.

bleh.. if anyone has any further info please post it so that carmack can fix the problem before the final release. this is not something that should be a problem in the final. don\'t forget guys... this is just a BETA TEST. try not to go nuts over little things that are being left in for animation testing and other productive things for the id employees. thanks to john for being so responsive as well.

John Carmack: What is timescale used for? Why is it in Quake2?

DAMN I hope they fix this soon and make a new download.
I come back after being grounded from the comp, to find 2 things :
A HUGE new q3test, and a fried modem that connects at 7200bps.

Okay - when can we expect the small patch? Keyword being \"small\"! hehehe
seriously though, good to hear ID is working on it - pls fix it ASAP \'cuz it sucks changing to another srv everytime some fag uses this
exploit.

I didn\'t notice much difference, and it is jumpy as hell to try it. I think what alot of people are doing to test it is loading up a map with the normal \"map\" command, and then turning on the cheats. Since you are the server, it will work then. To test it by yourself, you need to set up a dedicated server, then connect to it. If you try q3test2 with timescale set to 100, one with a listen server, the other with a dedicated, you tell me how easy it is to stay on the platform on a listen server. I believe the \"clamped\" theory, as I tried timescale 10 and timescale 100000 and couldn\'t tell much difference ohter than the world objects spinning muuuuch faster. g_sync didn\'t seem to make a difference (read the default, 0, was used in my testing).

John c-

What is Timescale supposed to be used for?

Hoonis

Just a comment on JohnC\'s response there:

It\'s still effective to an extent. At the very least you can make yourself one hell of an annoying target. Imagine getting ahead in
a game and just turning this on and going into a defensive strategy,
where you just run from all fights. That and you can pump someone
full of machinegun/ssg lead pretty quick this way.

>From our experiments it seems if g_synchronousclients is set to \"1\" it
>will not work. With it set to \"0\", it will. Thank you for the response
>
>Jon S

I looked into it some more, and there is still a problem, but it is a
different one... The server clamps the speed, so timescale 4 isn\'t any
different than timescale 2, but it looks like there is still about a 30%
slack that can be pushed.

I don\'t understand yet how this is happeneing, but I will look into it.

The game play is so messed up with timescale running now that I don\'t think
it is an effective cheat, but I will still try and fix it.

John Carmack

nothing to see here. Just incoherent babbling.

what was that again?

yeah, you have to have g_sync.. set to 1. The default is 0. Gee, I wonder what most servers going up with have it set to. \"Doesn\'t work\"
does not mean \"only works with the default settings.\". It works.

That and g_synchronousclients 1 is not that fun for people who aren\'t
blessed with a decent connection.

Timescale DOESN\'T work in 1.08. However the server has to have g_syncronousClients \"1\" Set. The only thing that timescale will do, is allow you to \"spin\" around in a circle faster. It\'s very jumpy and choppy, and forces you to stick to a timescale of 1.

Carmack is wrong, they shoot faster and cover more distance...what is the real INTENDED purpose and role of timescale in q3:a ???

Earlier, I got a response from Xian about the timescale
exploit that is a little more specific:

We\'ve done some internal testing on this, and we\'ve found that no matter
what the timescale setting, you can only move and fire 30% faster on the
server side. The client will show all sorts of glitches like you are firing
faster, but the server clamps it at an approximate 30% speed increase.

We are looking into the problem.

-Xian

Aye, I was on a server with a guy named \"Timescale2.5\", and he was flying around at warp speed. Though I don\'t think he\'s very good, since he had negative frags. \'Spose that\'s what Carmack meant?

Hubris

The following was posted by freeride in the Q3 messageboard.

killOmatic

Timescale will work if the server has g_syncronousClients set to \"0\".
If the server is set to \"1\" the client can not run timescale any faster
than 1. Thanks to Lord Mycroft for helping me test this. Default for
g_syncronous is \"0\".

FreeRide

I was there. I was the one who told the guy that it did work. I went to spec, and he was flying around.

I was just on playing around trying to get the new messagemodes working, so I didn\'t mind jumping out of the game to see if it was working.

yes. it definatly still works. i had someone on my server called \"timescale?\" just a few seconds ago flying around the map at mach speed. sigh..

Just got off a dedicated server that was setup between a friend and I just to test timescale.
It works, it\'s just REALLY annoying to the person doing it. stuff
is jumpy etc.

I was definatly dying to the other guy\'s mg or ssg much much faster
when his timescale was set to 5. He moved faster too.
Zog

Timescale still works perfectly in v1.08.

They have been e-mailed about it... maybe they\'ll
fix it for v1.09...?