Weekend Confirmed 116 - E3 2012 post-show wrap-up

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  Well if your going to categorize Call of Duty, Halo, Far Cry, Borderlands, Battlefield and Bioshock as di... : KCeeee
  • Why should the entire games industry cater to one taste? : DevSword
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  Clearly you haven't played too many FPS games if you're saying all those games are basically the same. Ma... : Vinnymike
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    Actually, the point of my post is that I've played far too many of them lately, and they're still coming ... : DevSword
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      Then you probably shouldn't be playing RPGs, MMOs, Fighting Games, or...oh, right, any genre at all. From... : ChaosNovaXZ
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        By your way of thinking, if Bioshock is the same as Medal of Honor, then Skyrim was the same as Dark Soul... : ChaosNovaXZ
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          But that's the whole point. Skyrim and Dark Souls play completely differently because of their perspecti... : DevSword
          • If you're just hating on the perspective in general, then I can get what you're saying. I just read it... : ChaosNovaXZ
          • Also, that's why we have third person shooters. It's cool if you hate them and think they're shit, dud... : ChaosNovaXZ
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        Not really, because where as some genres are fairly broad an fps entails a certain set of mechanics and i... : DevSword
        • Or rather, does SF5 then negate the RPG genre, and differentiate itself from past Street Fighter games? ... : DevSword
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          Still sounds to me like you just want to hate shooters. That's fine. People like different things. It'... : ChaosNovaXZ
          • Also, an RPG doesn't "entail a certain set of mechanics and interfaces"?" You're going to be doing physic... : ChaosNovaXZ
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            Well again, you're kind of missing the nuance here. I don't want to hate these games because they are sh... : DevSword
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              That's understandable. Also, you've said before that you play games for the single-player experience, ... : ChaosNovaXZ
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                I do see what you're saying though. FPS games have less room to change than any other genre. All you can ... : ChaosNovaXZ
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                  Right, so the underlying point is that Bioshock and Call of Duty really aren't as different as you think.... : DevSword
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                    Agreed, but I feel the same when it comes to other games. Just because Skyrim is first-person and Kin... : ChaosNovaXZ
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                      They play completely differently though. The issue is really the mechanics---not the name of the genre y... : DevSword
                      • That's actually a really good way to put it. I guess I really can't describe why I like FPS games so m... : ChaosNovaXZ
                      • But, still, outside of combat, they are really similar, just as similar as any two military FPS games. ... : ChaosNovaXZ
                    • They play completely differently though. The issue is really the mechanics---not the name of the genre y... : DevSword
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                    Also, +1 for saying "wittle". : ChaosNovaXZ
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                      I think Bioshock and Call of Duty are just as distinguishable from one another as Dark Souls and Skyrim a... : KCeeee
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                        Not all RTSs are the same exactly, however there is only so much room for variability. In Warcraft 3, th... : DevSword
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                          That's what I'm confused about. So many games are similar, but people (not you, necessarily) only ever co... : ChaosNovaXZ
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                            Let's just agree that you'll vomit if you see another tank, and so will I if I see another dragon. : ChaosNovaXZ
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                              Eh after all that you think this is a rant about how much I like dragons? : DevSword
                              • Haha no. I'm just saying different people like and are annoyed by different things. : ChaosNovaXZ
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                            The military aesthetic is part of the problem in my opinion. But what I'm saying is that they're indisti... : DevSword
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                              We all like more than one thing. I'm excited for Beyond. I'm excited for Enemy Unknown. I'm also excit... : ChaosNovaXZ
                              • Well, except for your whole point, that all you can ever do from first person well is shoot things. First... : ChaosNovaXZ
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                                I really don't think first person games are any more similar than any other set of games you want to comp... : DevSword
                                • I don't mean just any two games. I meant set as in "genre". My bad, calm the hell down kid. : ChaosNovaXZ
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                                  Like you said, genre lines are often crossed, but if I were to pick two "RPGs" (the swords and dragons ty... : ChaosNovaXZ
                                  • I don't understand how anyone can think this. Look at any release year prior to this generation, the dive... : 9cupsoftea
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                                    That is a straw man argument. No one is calling for every game to be one genre. I am calling for games ... : DevSword
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                                      Dude, there are plenty of non-shooter games out there. Are you reading anything anywhere? I'm with you... : ChaosNovaXZ
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                                        What games are you talking about that aren't shooters? : DevSword
                                        • From E3? Beyond, Enemy Unknown, The Cave, Assassin's Creed, NFS Most Wanted....ok maybe you win, just a l... : ChaosNovaXZ
                                  • I didn't say genre lines are crossed. I differentiated between form and genre in classifying games. For... : DevSword
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  >The fps market is just flooded with disposable crap right now. Unforunately it's been that way all ge... : Wuggyboobeaufuf
  • If the FPS market has been, then so has every other genre, for all the same crap that's pushed out. You h... : ChaosNovaXZ
  • EVERY popular genre gets flooded with disposable crap. Remember how many aweful platformers there were on... : CruelLEGACEY
  • Dishonored looks incredibly original and Halo 4 looks interesting enough for me to plonk down money for i... : larrymadill
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  Seriously dude, cry me a freaking river. There are lots of FPS games right now because it is a popular ge... : CruelLEGACEY
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    uh well, for your information I haven't been buying them. 80-100 hours huh? Well between all those game... : DevSword
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      I didn't say "play all the shooters for 100 hours each". Read my post again. I assumed you were playin... : CruelLEGACEY
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        But if you need to play an fps for 100 hours then what is the point of more than 1 even existing? : DevSword
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          Because everyone will have their own preference, because none of these games are actually the same. That'... : CruelLEGACEY
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            Well said :) I'm sick of seeing FPS' this generation, but it doesn't mean I'll dismiss every FPS relea... : BaileyAU
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              I don't see how someone can say they're sick of FPS games (because there are so many) and not also say th... : ChaosNovaXZ
              • It depends on how much you're into those genres to begin with. Personally, I don't like FPS games, so ... : CampKusoge
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  LOL. The notion that Halo 4, COD, Far Cry 3, Borderlands 2, Dishonored, Bioshock Infinite, Battlefield... : MHSilver
  • ^ ^ ^ What he said ^ ^ ^ : CruelLEGACEY
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    Shooting is the main mechanic of all the games I mentioned, except perhaps Dishonored. They all use the ... : DevSword
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      Oh goody. I look forward to playing through Dishonored with four-player co-op, gathering new guns as l... : MHSilver
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        I know, I'm so sick of this deluge of platformers! First it was Mario Galaxy, then Reggie the Rabbit, an... : DevSword
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          That's his point - they areall the same by your judgment. You're just jumping around with a different dud... : ChaosNovaXZ
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            Right, the same way 10 $50 million platformers at one E3 would be shitty, so is 10 $50 million fps games. : DevSword
            • I've already agreed that this E3 was oversaturated with shooters, though a lot of really good ones. So... : ChaosNovaXZ
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      I completely agree with you, and I'm genuinely surprised that so many seem to be disagreeing. You're figh... : 9cupsoftea
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        Arguing that there isn't a lack of diversity within the FPS genre isn't the same as saying we don't want ... : MHSilver
        • Yeah...even all of us here disagreeing with DevSword love all other genres of games too. We just happen t... : ChaosNovaXZ
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          By the very nature of there being so many shooters in video games, there is a lack of diversity in video : DevSword
          • We've answered that. Not very. Happy? Then we point out that neither are two puzzle games, two platformer... : ChaosNovaXZ
          • Also, yeah, I get defensive about shooters. Love playing them, but you have so many high-school age idiot... : ChaosNovaXZ
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  Oh my god. The Halo guy is a tool. "I feel like I'm getting all these new experiences." Really? Becau... : DevSword
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    And it looks Awwwwwwwwwesome. Interested to see how the evolution of the multiplayer works out. It se... : MHSilver
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      My friends and I were talking about the reversal of the usual sandbox tactics that we might see in Halo 4... : CruelLEGACEY
      • This game just oozes awesome, doesn't it? I didn't realise the Watchers spawn Crawlers, that's cool. : BaileyAU
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    So a number after the title means that there is nothing new in the game? You are sounding shockingly c... : CruelLEGACEY
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      So because it has a number on it instead of a subtitle it is a completely new game? I mean so far I se... : DevSword
      • It MIGHT be a completely new game. Or it MIGHT be more of the same. More than likely it will be somewhere... : CruelLEGACEY
  • Just. Don't. Fucking. Play. It. It's not that hard, Dev. Say it five times very slowly. If you hate Ha... : ChaosNovaXZ
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  I don't think the first person perspective is your problem. You hate the repetitive mechanic of aiming a ... : lumphrey
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    Actually you can do exactly that. And the first person perspective and aiming cross hairs are sort of in... : DevSword
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      Like the only game that has even attempted to be truly innovative with this perspective was like Mirror's... : DevSword
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        Loved that game, but even then, you were just sprinting and jumping.
        
        That's like saying (again) Arkham City and Kingdoms of Amalur are different games because you're punching guys in one and using a sword to whack them in the other, but they're quite the same. You're just third-person button mashing, if you want to be that reductive.
        
        Any perspective is limited in what it can do, just first person games are more limited. Again, if that's your problem, just ignore them.
        
        I'm still confused as to whether your problem is that you don't like first person games, or that you're just too loudly complaining that there are too many of them. If it's the latter, then we agree.

        Jun 10, 2012 8:15am PDT
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        Loved that game, but even then, you were just sprinting and jumping. That's like saying (again) Arkha... : ChaosNovaXZ
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          Well not really. The parkour mechanics at least demanded something different mechanically from the playe... : DevSword
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            To finesse this point further, the reason I enjoyed Halo on Xbox 1, and the novelty of it, was that we ha... : DevSword
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              Am I allowed to be sick of third person games? There are a shit ton of those too. : ChaosNovaXZ
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                Well I am sick of God of War because that game hasn't changed much since the original. But I am actually... : DevSword
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                  Uh, except they are. You're going to be shooting something, punching something, or slashing something. Th... : ChaosNovaXZ
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                    No what you don't get---even though you keep saying you concede this point---is that there is nothing to : DevSword
                    • I do concede the point that there are too many shooters. I don't concede that they're all the same. Befor... : ChaosNovaXZ
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              Also, the reason MHSilver and I are making these "straw man" arguments that you hate shooters is because ... : ChaosNovaXZ
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                Your argument is totally retarded. Ok, I hate a bowl of fruit. In this bowl of fruit there are 10 banan... : DevSword
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                  And then like two of the bananas get eaten and the others are getting moldy and black and you're like "du... : DevSword
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                    Right, my argument is retarded because it doesn't line up with yours. How many times were you dropped on ... : ChaosNovaXZ
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                      You're conflating all games that aren't first person as one format, which is wrong. I've already specifi... : DevSword
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                        I was being incredibly generic with third person, not including platformers or anything else. I was just ... : ChaosNovaXZ
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                          And what you continue to fail to realize is that while say Ninja Gaiden and Devil May Cry are kind of sim : DevSword
                          • Fair enough. I said that there were a ton of shooters out there. I just like most of them. Can we be ... : ChaosNovaXZ
                          • You saying there's not 10 3rd person action games a year, yeah right resident evil, kingdoms of amalur, g... : Mysssss
                  • Also, where are the mods? If I was to openly insult someone like that, I'd be banned instantly. Someone s... : ChaosNovaXZ
    • Cheapens the art, I get it. But even if devs do branch out heavily into other "formats", we'll eventually... : lumphrey
    • So like I said before, if playing 6 shooters deminishes the value of any of those experiences for you, th... : CruelLEGACEY
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  Great episode! Glad you didn't go around grading the conferences and games. : InfernoAblaze
  • Leave that QQ bullshit to Wuggy. : lumphrey
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  Books, movies, songs, music, sports, video games, weather, men, women there's no diversity in any of thes... : Mysssss
  • Tell DevSword that. Watch out though, he might get mad, because he loves his quick time events, as they'r... : ChaosNovaXZ