Water On Mars

OT, has anyone seen Diablo2 on the shelves allready ?

I also heard about particles which spontaneously appear and disappear, totally randomly, all the time. Does anyone know more about this, as I only vaguely remember hearing a mention of that.

[Yes, surprisingly enough, science does not yet have all the answers. Go organized religion, you've nailed it all along]

So... I hear element 115 has some strange properties. Namely that its strong nuclear field extends past its nucleus enabling us to amplify it like any other wave, so we can create our own focused gravity wells... :) *doo doo doo*

I can just imagine bottling and
selling Mars water..
"The only water in the solar system
that hasn't been dinosaur piss!"

howcome aliens always have to be smarter than us? whats up w/ that??

Let's just say that we are bacteria (or a virus :)
In this case the "Aliens" would think of us as a useless little microbe thingy (ohh, scientific :) and eradicate us because we kill too many of them (as a virus or bacteria). Now think what will happen to Mars bacteria when we go there, maybe that is intelligent life and we are the fools. That line in the matrix is great, people are very much like a virus only difference is that we think we are better than everything else (an arrogant virus if you will). Oh goody more planets to "Colonize" (or a virus, "More people to infect").

if science and religion would just get together and collaborate, we'd have everything explained. geez. anything science can explain, good. anything that science can't explain and doesn't understand, is obviously the work of god. i've solved it!!

(i'm joking...i swear..)

With a nearly infinite number of stars, and planets around some of the stars, it makes sense to assume that there is definitely intelligent life somewhere in the universe if we can find it existing on a single other planet [and the life there was not flung from ours somehow, and vice versa]. Europa would be a good bet indeed.

Here's an interesting point: When people talk about whether water would be liquid or solid on mars, they're referring to pure, 100% distilled water, not brine or any water with salts in it. When there are dissolved substances, the freezing point is depressed, so water could be -10 C during the day and still liquid.

Also, on Earth, there is a plethora of water below the surface, although you would not want to drink it. It's usually saturated in salts like calcium or sodium chloride, carbonates, and sulfates. However, even 10 km below the surface of the Earth, in hot conditions and high pressures, bacteria thrive in these conditions (as they do in the Hydrocarbon deposits as well).

Given that Mars has plenty of surface evidence of (geologically) recent free flowing water, the scientific community would be remiss to assume that subsurface water does not exist. It likely has a lot of brine belows it's surface, perhaps rich in Iron salts.

Also, there are moons of Jupiter, like Europa (which is basically 10 km of ocean from what we can see on the surface) and Ganymede (with a lot of hydrocarbons) where conditions that bacteria and simple one celled life require exist. Given that we have already learned that bacteria in hostile environments on Earth (Antarctica, for example, in very dry and cold conditions) can hibernate for millions of years, it's conceivable that rocks knocked loose from Earth from the occasional large meteor (i.e. asteroid or comet) could transport bacteria to Mars and elsewhere. I think that if life did not evole there, it was transported from Earth by this process (or perhaps even the other way). Some people have speculated that bacterial or similar life found on Mars or elsewhere within this solar system is completely different from that found on Earth -- I would postulate that it is probably no more 'alien' that what we might find in the ocean near black smokers, that big underice lake in Antarctica (can't remember the name), or a barren, cold, high altitude mountain.

(now if this was /., moderate me up to +3, Insightful. Actually, I think I'll post this there too.)

Speaking of anti-gravity elements..I am patenting my own:

You take a slice of buttered toast and strap it butter-side up to the back of a cat. Using the well-known physical properties of:
1) a cat always lands on its feet, and
2) buttered-toast always lands butter-side down
I can drop this "device" and it will drop to a few inches from the ground where it will begin a spinning process that hovers off the floor.

Possible applications of my invention could be to align many of these together under a train or car to form a hover-craft powered by the "buttered-toast-cat array". ;)

What boggles me is the concept of the universe being infinite. Even if the universe wasn't infinite, there would have to be something beyond it, and that just drives me fucking mad.

BH

good thing u got outta colorado...

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The fact that 9 out of 10 people here are citing movie theories to explain the existence/lack thereof other life proves yet again what is so pitifully sick in american society. you are what you catch on the TV, all else is just fodder in your channel 9 and 10 existence, something to be suffered through while away from your devices of entertainment, and to be immediatly discarded and shod once said device is injecting you once again.

ahahahha. BOOM.

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Yeah, the show had a decent first season. Sorry, mistook what you were saying.

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Ah, but then, there is the whole deal about the universe's actual shape. Theoreticlally, it could be shaped like a donut (space being inside--the dough part) but we would still think of it like a big ball, and we are inside. A spacecraft is launching soon to determine this. Don't ask me how it works cause it's mad complicated, but it should be able to tell us.

Is there a differemce between a moon and a satellite?

To my knowledge Phobos and Deimos are satellites.

BH

the Drake Equation yes?

Can you imagine the possibilities?!

Evian Mars Water: $945.50 a bottle! :)

Hm... I wonder what Mars' Lagrange points look like with two moons?

ahah, see, it wasn't all nonsense...

Without the moon, days would last four hours, winds would blow with hurricane force, and Earth would be shrouded in a dense, toxic atmosphere.

from discovery.com

heh, right now Neptune is farther out than Pluto. They are supposed to switch soon, or maybe they already have.

Don't cacodemons and Barons, drink water?

mmmm Martian girls.

tastes like chicken


-chillin

Actually, now that I think about it, Pluto and Charon also have a somewhat odd rotation, but in a completely different way.

yeah you fellas are right (ladies too? avixe?)

The bright feature is the permanent south polar ice cap, it is about 400 km (249 miles) across from left to right.

mkay, There is no south and north poles on Mars....at least thats what the Discovery Channel says. Mars doesn't have a moon (right?) and moons stabilize a planet. That's why we have North\South\East\West all the time. But Mars twists and turns. One day the north pole is freezing cold, and there is water there...the next day "North" is actually "West" (on the side) and there is no water.

This is all regurgitation from the Discovery Channel, I hope it's right. Just so you know, I have trouble believing that...just cause I have a book that tells you the length of a day and night, rotation etc...and that couldn't be true if the planet was in constant turmoil like that.

Or maybe it doesn't go so fast. Maybe it takes years for it to turn like that. Any ideas?

yes but do they have coke on mars?

I didn't think so!

It's rotation is fine. The only outer planet with an abnormal rotation is Uranus, which was involved in a collision sometime in its past, and now rotates on its side.

heres a pic of the water, or carbon dioxide...a pole.

ftp://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/.hi-res5//mars98/slides/mpl03.jpg

Europa kicks ass. That is probably our best hope for finding life outside of Earth. Once we get through the ice surface (a groovy 60 miles thick) we would find an ocean all the way to the moon's core (so we think). The moon is close enough to mammoth Jupiter, so that Jupiter acts on the moon (bending, stretching etc..) That produces heat, and keeps the giant ocean somewhat warmer.

Wow, three identical responses in under a minute, guess there are some intelligent people on Shack.

I knew that whole arguement was fucked....bah well.

dont know if its been metioned or not, but the south pole of mars has got dry ice on the surface.


alcueso
took intro astronomony last semester, and got a A-......booya

So you think you could survive a nuclear war? Well do ya punk?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/bomb/sfeature/mapablast.html