Mass Effect designer defends day one DLC, says game developers 'are not evil'

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  I'd defend it too if they gave me a check. : pigvomit
  • Exactly. : rtrson
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  Stop charging $60+ for the full experience at launch and people will stop complaining. It's not that DLC ... : pyide
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    if it was $30 people would still complain. They would complain because they are entitled bastards, but a... : Lucy Labia
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      They complain because $60 is more than half of $100 and some of use aren't pulling a corporate sized pay ... : comiekazie
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        This right here. The argument is always well you get more entertainment then a movie and that is ten bu... : erebus
        • Sounds like a personal issue when you don't complete the games you buy : jackomack
      • No they complain because they feel entitled. : VegasX
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    So you're fine with the graphical and audio fidelity in games staying on par with PS2/Xbox games? Because... : ColoradoCNC
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      I can't think of any game that is worth $70 to me. : pyide
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        That's a completely valid position. If you don't feel the game is worth launch price, then don't buy it. : ColoradoCNC
        • If you want to defend EA's project ten dollar, which started out as tax on used game buyers and has now (... : pyide
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        thats really funny. i can think of tons of games that are worth more than $70. what is $70 worth of conte... : JINKY
        • that said, most games are overpriced which is why the price drops so sharply and has people waiting for u... : JINKY
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          It's one thing if it's an actual physic object like an arcade cabinet or SNES cart that has actual hardwa... : pyide
          • nope, not at all. what if someone made a game like mass effect, but better and with several times more co... : JINKY
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            Well... I'll be getting Diablo 3 for "free" because I still play WoW

            Mar 10, 2012 10:18pm PST
            Well... I'll be getting Diablo 3 for "free" because I still play WoW : jackomack
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      Shit, I paid $65 for Mario 3 in 1990 : riptyde
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        Yeah, and games used to cost a lot more to make when they didnt make millions of dollars worth of profit.... : xlr7000
        • Edited for math fail, still... don't be so simplistic when you talk about games from the late 80's, they ... : xlr7000
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  I believe people are judging it as a game that is missing a chunk of significant backstory because the de... : Arcanum
  • Yeah that horse armor really extended Oblivion's lifespan for me. : Arcath
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  "We just want to release awesome stuff. Players please, give us a chance. Judge our games based on what t : EricZBA
  • Right, that's the correct way to parse those sentences. : drhazard
  • "Stop thinking you're a producer and telling us when and where we should be building our content." You... : Dr_Cube
  • more like STFU because you make idiot assumptions about how things work. : wickoattack
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  We just want to release awesome stuff. Players please, give us a chance. Judge our games based on what th : DrFlammable
  • There's been some really good single player DLC like some of the stuff released for Fallout 3 and apparen... : Mecha Tofu Pirate
• For a game that is supposed to be so awesome there is certainly a lot of defensive press coming out for i... : Clench
• Nope sorry. If CD Projekt can release a massive content update to their game for free then Bioware cer... : cetra00
• It's pretty simple: If you aren't evil, don't do things that people consider evil. They can justify i... : Thresher
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  Why don't developers just release their entire GAME as DLC so they can avoid this shit in the future? : Trips
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    LOL $5 game and $75 in Day one DLC. : vertdang
    • $10 game, $50 online pass, $75 day one DLC (requirs online pass) : Hemtroll
  • $25 main game, $25 for all the romance/sidemission/planetprobing shit? I'd be down with that. : Memphis-Ahn
• /facepalm so sick of Bioware's crazy spree. : thebigbeefsandwich
• i'm pretty sure they could of avoided much of the backlash if the dlc wasn't an important piece of lore t... : jrsX
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  Which for you guys is the more egregious DLC offense from this week: Mass Effect 3's day one DLC or Stree... : OzzieMejia
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    With SFxT it is a bit different. If you look at how Mortal Kombat had its DLC problems with syncing durin... : Zollington
    • That was a poor excuse. Compatibility files, maybe. But, it's so dumb to say "well we need them on the... : ChaosNovaXZ
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    The Kobayashi Maru of DLC arguments :/ : HamChowder
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      Because we can hack the on-disc DLC? : Vividvoid
      • KIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRKKKKK!!!!!!! : HamChowder
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    I feel the Street Fighter X Tekken DLC is worse. 12 characters not in the roster and DLC combos that wil... : melkore
    • The vita version is actually $20 less. By the time it comes out in the fall though, the console versions ... : pyide
• Most game developers aren't evil, that said EA is not a developer, they are a publisher. : GoldfishInAJarOfPickles
• Developers are not evil. Publishers ARE! : loke662
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  I don't mind day one DLC if it's something they finished up after their game went gold and was sent off t... : Proven28
  • Well, this DLC is at least a gig, I think. So yeah, better than wasting another disc on this one. : GreggD
• Love all the posts talking about how Bioware is crazy... but the person in question works at Riot Games, ... : spongeh
• Heh, notice how she didn't deny that it could have been included with the disc game. And then, hilario... : ChaosNovaXZ
• Why were statements even made? No one is attacking the developers. They aren't the ones who decide how to... : rtrson
• Can I judge it based on previous Bioware DLC?... overpriced and not very good. : Evan_C
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  Oh awesome, the shack is hating on my boss today! : sammyl
  • Your boss is dumb lolol. But seriously, she doesn't understand the problem. : rtrson
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    Also could someone define what a complete game experience is for me because I'm still unclear on that poi... : sammyl
    • Those are just buzz words. It's all about thinking outside the box and synergy. : rtrson
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      A game without content that is artificially cut just to bleed more money from the consumer. It's funny... : ChaosNovaXZ
      • I'm humorously offended by this. : mobab
      • "A game without content that is artificially cut just to bleed more money from the consumer. " Just...... : eonix
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        Ah, okay. So you don't understand the development/DLC process. If you had just said that earlier, you wou... : ColoradoCNC
        • Heh, I make sure I don't get ripped off by stupid publisher bullshit, and I'm the foolish one. Gotcha. ... : ChaosNovaXZ
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          Also your reading comprehension fails, miserably, considering how you jump to conclusions about my unders... : ChaosNovaXZ
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            Except the people who engage in DLC bitching do have hubris! They're trying to tell the developers who ac... : Wikidd
            • I agree, I'm just saying that I can totally understand the concerns of someone who thinks they're getting... : ChaosNovaXZ
    • If you don't want to be viewed as being greedy dicks... then don't do things that make you look like gree... : Evan_C
    • The GOTY edition released 8-12 months after initial release with all DLC is the 'complete' experience bec... : melkore
    • Once all the DLC is released and the game has all its bugs worked out. Throw it all together with a dash... : ant_hillbilly
    • Every game should cost ten dollars and have ten years worth of content on it. At least that's what I get : ColoradoCNC
  • we're not hating on her. we're hating on what she believes in. there is a difference : spiderfill
  • your boss is horrible sorry you are not your work : ETPC1
  • That's because your boss is acting like a giant sloppy cunt. : Sapiens
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    Since when do you work in the Biodome? : Fred Garvin
    • "... former designer and programmer of the Mass Effect franchise (currently at Riot Games)" : lefthighkick
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  They should have sold the fps components as dlc also. Maybe make the best endings dlc. Why not! : LilCrypto
  • Valve can take note. Release Episode 3. Release 'G-Man: The Answers' DLC for $10.00 same day. ... : cetra00
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  .... and once again the Gamestop reselling whining.. its pathetic how those suits can't manage to cope wi... : Lukiopimp
  • Seriously, do you see manufacturers of other products complaining when they're resold over and over? Most... : ChaosNovaXZ
  • I found the reselling argument hollow. It's being based on the assumption that "nobody buys DLC for a ga... : OzzieMejia
• Norman should just stay quiet because these comments just sounds out of touch. Putting the protheans behi... : Dr_Cube
• lol. This makes me laugh from a series that has has 2 games out on other PC platforms, but if you want t... : DragonSire
• I don't mind paying for DLC or Day one DLC if it has a clear value. I have a problem when it becomes clea... : TheEmissary
• No customer would prefer day 1 DLC over the content shipping with the game. Wait at least 2 weeks so you... : Lucy Labia
• It's evil. If you want people to buy DLC at a later date, find a way to encourage them to continue playi... : Bensam123
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  ""There's no point in releasing DLC a year after your game has come out when most people have already sol : rtrson
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    Am I alone in thinking that, no only is "year later" dlc a good idea, it's actually great and would do a... : Disarray
    • after the whole horse armor thing, Bethesda has had the best DLC that actually extends the life of their ... : pigvomit
    • You aren't alone in wanting it but you may be alone in buying it. With ever passing month after release, ... : baron calamity
    • "GOTY" editions, with the original game + "expansion packs" (remember those) are great, for both old and ... : d fluke
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    Microsoft once recommended that publishers put out the first DLC within 30 days of a title's release. (Jo... : the archvile
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      Yup, it maximizes the sale window. As a relevant example: I've worked on a few games whos higher-level st... : eonix
      • Too bad that mentality usually just leads to some really awful DRM :( : Mecha Tofu Pirate
  • Erm, Defence Grid - Awakening would like to have a word with you. : Broken Canoe
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    Anyone remember the Lord Of Destruction Expansion Pack? That's right, a year and a day. Also, Tripwire r... : AxeMan808
    • ME2's best DLC was released 7 months later. : briktal
• "There's no point in releasing DLC a year after your game has come out..." Remember back when mods wo... : the archvile
• if from ashes was made post-gold and not cut from the game then may my balls explode with the force of a ... : ETPC1
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  Christina Norman is a shitty writer and an out of touch corporate cunt. Go fuck yourself, EA! : TwwIX
  • Thanks for your insightful and erudite contribution. : Fred Garvin
  • If that is the best you can add to the conversation then you are a waste of a person. Please never post o... : GrandHarrier
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    Nice teenage rage, bro. : ColoradoCNC
    • His post history would indicate he's all about the rage. : Fred Garvin
• Its not evil, they just want a pricing model thats larger than 60 dollars. so if even 1 person buys th... : chilln
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  Sorry, but you've already been found out. The content is already there, right on the disk, then you loc... : Zach DeSpain
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    What content was already there, on the disk? Art content? Level? Code? : eonix
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      From what the internet dug up, it was the bonus character model and animation files and some voice stuff.... : pyide
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        The voice dosent make sense. If they "started working on the DLC after submitting the game for cert" then... : Beady
        • You should ask ColoradoCNC, he seems to know a lot about the process. : pyide
        • Not BS at all. I don't recall seeing any developer claim that 100% of the DLC content was created after t... : Bold
      • This thread: http://www.shacknews.com/chatty?id=27795206#item_27795206 And it really doesn't "prove" any... : Haxim
  • If you wanted the cheese you should've paid for the cheese. The fact that (parts of) the DLC was ready... : uncleanmonkey
  • Um not exactly the same. Its like buying a burger without cheese, then before eating being offered cheese... : disembodied potato
  • if you're talking about the prothean character, i had to download a 650MB DLC from XBL after i put in my ... : dantastic
• TL;DR version. "Day one DLC makes us bucket loads of money. Stop telling us what you want to buy, and ... : Kojak2000
• IF YOU PAY $5 YOU CAN CLICK THE FOLLOWING SPOILER. Christina Norman probably hasn't had any formal PR tr : Kojak2000
• hey Bioware, fire your writers : Magus
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  You know who else wasn't "evil" and just wanted to make the world a better place? That's right; Hitler. : d fluke
  • How do you think Hitler got Austria for free before invading Poland? Anschluss = first preorder DLC ever.... : SpaecKow
• All the shirt lifters having a whinge should take some advice from Chopper. http://www.youtube.com/wat... : frib
• Here's how I resolved it. I borrowed my brother's day one copy and paid for the DLC. Congrats, Bioware, i... : RowjinZee
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  ITT people who don't understand how DLC gets made work themselves into some kind of towering, entitlement... : ColoradoCNC
  • Budgets are really hard to understand. : Evil Benius
  • I can understand some day one DLC. Hell, the day one DLC from ME2 was somewhere around that line. But F... : briktal
  • Whoa whoa let's not get too carried away with this "logic" thing. : wickoattack
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  What would be the benefits of delaying your day-one DLC for like two or three weeks just to avoid this ou... : Hemtroll
  • I actually meant to ask "would there be any benefits" : Hemtroll
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    It would be dumb for a game like this because the character has lore behind him that fans of the series a... : pyide
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      so for all the complaining about day one DLC it doesn't have a significant impact on sales? : Hemtroll
      • I would say no. It's just a little fuck you to the loyal fans care of EA, when some were expecting a than... : pyide
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  She didn't defend anything. She basically just told people to stop whining. If she had provided one legit... : ColdbringeR
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    This. Instead of telling everyone who might not know that the DLC was done on a separate budget, or was w... : ChaosNovaXZ
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      How about grow some balls instead of getting angry at a woman on the internet. : wickoattack
      • How about going outside instead of talking shit on the internet, kid. : ChaosNovaXZ
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  she can go fuck herself : peasofme
  • You should be very proud of yourself!!! : SunnyTelight
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  The whole concept of DLC is flawed, the only party benefiting from it is the dev/publishers. Go back to ... : Saldrin
  • Agreed. The problem now is that Devs and Publishers have too much control and power. I know it is their... : moco300
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  is there paid DLC already or are people just whining about the DLC you get for free when you buy the game... : dantastic
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    You only get the From Ashes DLC free if you bought the collector's edition/boner version of ME3. If not, ... : varsindarkin
    • oops, i guess people should have preordered. i got it for 5 bucks more than the regular edition : dantastic
• pretty dumb to just admit to scope creep and such horrible fragmentation. on a grand finale, this is inex... : Downforce
• I don't really care about DLC one way or the other, but this is a pretty good argument for why you need c... : skizl
• BioWare has sold their souls, that's all we need to agree on. they're trying to milk everyone like any ot... : ezgame100
• There is absolutely no defense for holding back story content in games. It is the equivalent of holdin... : Wuggyboobeaufuf
• "There's no point in releasing DLC a year after your game has come out ..." Way to miss the point. Th... : asianwaste
• Dear Christina Norman, shut the fuck up. : Zero Hoki
• [QUOTE]"There's no point in releasing DLC a year after your game has come out when most people have alrea... : Icemanchilled
• This is why people think GDC is a douche-fest full of self-righteous developers who think "the enemy" is ... : the archvile
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  Here's the problem: Bioware would never had made this type of move in the pc game developing days when... : graFIG
  • Bioware used to be in my top 5 favorite studios. (Id, Blizz, Valve, BioWare, Bethesda) Its heartbreaking ... : Zero Hoki
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  Ya know if this was Day 1 DLC for those Burger King games...no one would give a shit. I agree with her, a... : VegasX
  • This is more like buying a car with a limited selection of colors. Then on the day you drive it out of t... : Cruciform
  • The "no one gives a shit" effect is a cascading effect. If you don't give a shit about the game itself, ... : asianwaste
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  Ugh now this is getting retarded with the advent of this video http://kotaku.com/5892307/mass-effects-con... : VegasX
  • It proves, just as always has been surmised, that they took the content from the main game and deliberate... : Wuggyboobeaufuf
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  I love when she says ,"Stop thinking you're a producer and telling us when and how to build our content."... : Wise Men
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    If you just read that quote she sounds like a little girl whining. It's actually really hilarious and to ... : leuthil
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      I didn't read it that way. I think it's an appropriate reaction to all of the gamers who feel that it is... : Wise Men
      • My aplogies leuthil. You did say, "If you just read the quote..." Sorry for not reading thoroughly and ... : Wise Men
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  I have no problem with it, I just wished they were honest. They are saying "our game cost loads to dev... : apocreg
  • argh give me a friggin edit button Shacknews, every other site seems to be able to manage this!?!??!?! ... : apocreg
• Is packaging your game with a fake ending so that fans HAVE to buy DLC evil? : DevSword