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BH

286 was a reply to #54 in the random comment :)

Dude the v2 was the best video card EVER released. Its not the fastest now but in terms of when it was released, how fast it was compared to everything else at the time, and how long it was the fastest card etc etc. Until the Geforce, the v2 STILL owned. It was faster than everything up until the tnt in which it was faster than but didnt do 32bit and 1024x768. I had both and actually used my v2 more, sure the tnt could do all that, but 32bit ran like shit and 1024x768 wasnt really playable so all the tnt was for me was a 2d card that gathered dust in my case. Then when ppl said omg the tnt can do 1024x768 then what. Scrape together 50 bucks, buy another one and watch your 1yr old card tear up the new boy on the market. Hell the tnt2 may have been faster but it wasnt $200 bucks faster than the v2. :)

Actually nvidia started with the hype because the v2 wasnt overhyped at all. It did everything it said it would do. Of course we know the hype nvidia started with that 1600x1200 @ 30fps shit the original tnt was supposed to have.

Hell I got a geforce when they came out but I keep my sli v2's in there just because they STILL kick ass. When I start running outta pci slots maybe I'll take one out but until then they will STAY in my system.

courney love is right, mp3's dont sound good at all.

Sure you cant tell when your listening to music with your shitty comp USA speakers, or the $150 bookshelf stereo you bought at wal-mart, but anybody with a good ear for music knows it's ass.

As for this whole 'Napster sucks because it makes it too easy', bullshit. Thats just a dumb elitist attitude, blah. I remember thinking the same thing back when mIRC came out, us oldschool ircii users were sure it was going to ruin IRC be allowing a bunch of fucking morons on... uhh.. hrm, maybe thats not the best example.

I am damn suprised at the intelligence courtney love shows; but bottom line is, she and kurt were living in a nice place, and had it pretty sweet, so no matter what she say she can't. Fuck I'm too drunk to talk properly. Anyhow, shes wrong, and shes rich.

Is anybody having trouble as I am, connecting to the Napster server(s)?

271/272, Everybody is a music snob all of a sudden...

Look, I have a high-end home audio system (NAD components, Polk and Klipsch speakers) so I know good sound and mp3's sound very good.

Again, if they didn't why would the RIAA even give half a shit?

To sit back and act like you know more than everybody else is laughable. Especially you, jidar, you wanna-be intellectual.

Umm, algorithm, there I said a big word, duh. (my impersonation of the dumbass known as jidar)

I suppose what is good, or bad is subjective at this point.

I just take issue with the fact that so many people seem to think mp3 is just as good as a CD, when it isn't even close.

Not that I don't use mp3's, I do, and the sound quality isn't so bad that I want to go back to the inconvience of a CD player, but lets not kid ourselves here, it's still a tradeoff.
Allot of times the tradeoff isn't worth it, and at times like that, the CD-player comes on.

As for that wannabe intellectual crap, fuck off. I don't put any thought into how I speak (type), I just speak. If you think I'm going out of my way to use 'big words', I guess thats pretty telling.

thanks for the info

Geez, everybody is so sure they know what they are talking about, after all "It sounds good to me dude!".

Have any of you ever really compared a CD recorded song with an mp3? They don't sound 'awesome', it clearly doesnt sound the same no matter how high you sample the audio.

Let me explain why. Mp3 works by selecting certain parts of the music that it feels is not needed, and removing it. What is removes is based on information learned in a field of science known as psychoaucostics, which basically is the study of how the human hearing system perceives sound. Now in theory, your brain discards a great deal of the information that you hear due to it not being needed, and mp3 works by trying to do this work beforehand in exactly the same way that your brain would so that it will be the same thing you would have heard anyways. Unfortunately it doesnt work exactly right. First biggest problem is that wetware bio systems like ourselves simply don't opperate -exactly-. In other words, not everyones hearing system will do this task in exactly the same way, so there is no 'one perfect system' that would apply to each and every person. Now that is even if it were -possible- to exactly replicate this behavior in software, which it isn't.

Admittedly, mp3 does a really good job. It is remarkably close considering the amount of data it is discarding, but it is not perfect.
However it IS close enough to fool the masses, and since it 'samples' at 128bits, which is the same as a CD, then everyone and their mom says its just as good as CD, which it isn't.

If you can't tell that most mp3's are noticeably worse than cd's you either have a bad sound system or bad ears. Although some music does transfer over to mp3 format much better than others.

If you are comparing mp3 vs. redbook audio over computer speakers, it is pretty hard to tell the difference. This is primarily due to the fact that most pc sound cards either have a bad DAC, or pick up noise from the computer. Usually both. Not to mention computer speakers suck for frequency response. With headphones, it is still pretty difficult, because the sound cards typically crank out such crappy audio. If you go to digital out, it makes it alot easier to compare.

Things get much better if mp3's are encoded at about 192kbits, but most people don't encode up in that range, although with hard drive space so cheap these days, I don't see why.

I have most of my cd collection encoded, something like 2600 songs and it fits under 10 gigs. You can get a 45 gig drive for like $250 these days.

Oh, and damn! Courtney made Lars look relatively retarded. I have newfound respect for her. She is the first musician I have heard speak out on this stuff with an intelligent perspective. It doesn't hurt that she quoted my current favorite author though (Neal Stephenson).

Guess I'll crawl back to coding now after procrastinating so long.

Andy

--Oh and if you don't agree with me, you are just wrong. :)

Read the article. I guess this means Britney Spears, N'Sync and the Back Street Boys will be broke in a few years. The RIAA sure are greedy basta*rds.

Ah, damnit, I think I just lost my best goat supplier...

http://www.canoe.ca/CNEWSHeyMartha0006/11_one.html

I really like their explanation for banning email use. Heh.

It's a good thing I don't use napster, otherwise I'd be complaining about how slow it is right now.
*cough*
What?

The underlying mechanics are a bit different, but in application, it is the same...

Exactly. It's a slightly more difficult interface.. much more discouraging than Napster is. I mean, picture your 48 year old blonde cousing who is 47% plastic, picking through your computer because she heard of some "Napster" thing on Television. And when she get's to it she can actually use it.

I don't want to see the vast majority of American's with sub-par intelligence levels causing a huge ordeal and then complaining about it for everyone to see. Napster was fine when "normal" geeks and |337 h4x0rs used it because of the small amount of people and the not-so-famous reputation. Mostly high-bandwidth users who had a lot of mp3's anyways. And then comes the onslaught of AOL'ers and modemers to clog up the internet and complain about lag and cause a big scene.

Not to judge the intelligence of any particular band *coughMETALLICAcough* but I don't think that they normally would have noticed a thing like that unless it was made a huge ordeal by something. Keeping on top of the internet doesn't seem to fit their bio.

I don't know. Maybe it just makes me feel stupid. Or maybe you're just a stupid person defending themself *doubtfull*. But whatever.
Just admit it:
-Napster is easy to use.
-Had it not been for its ease of use, it's popularity would not have occured
-Simple minded users of Napster cause a big deal
-Big deal annoys everyone becuase this is old shit. Pirating of mp3's has existed for longer than most of these people had their computers.

The fact that the mp3 is widely popular is fine, the fact that all of a sudden after all these years, it is viewed as a threat is ridiculous. We saw it from the begining.

This whole Napster thing is stupid. It just gets annoying.


Dopeman
(the server's are different too.. the way you connect that is)

Thank you dave. You have enlightened us all. Esp. Vantage.

Dopeman

I don't think I ever said Napster was lame.

Aside from the fact that the writer of the program was called nappy -due to his funky weave- and therefore he named his program Napster.

And then wrapster?
Please.

This was a small tool that became overly used by the public due to its ease and simple interface. Type in the song you want, and download. Most of the users are on a modem line too, which means that they don't often worry about ping times. High-bandwidth users worry more about those things, as modem speeds are unacceptable.

I'm just saying, that when an old geezer (aight, 40 is not geezer, but getting there) who apparantly is some AOL user knows about Napster and willingly confronts a kid about it in a electronic/appliance/music/whatever store.. it's just wrong. That's like giving a powerfull tool to a child, who only knows how to use it a certain way. And now that everyone knows about it, it only gets worse. Time to find a napster alternative people. And the ones who never used it to start with, are only better off.

Gnutella might not be as efficient as Napster, but it sure as hell takes a little more skill to use than Napster does. Skill being something that an average AOL user would not have.


Dopeman
(not so skilled, but maybe.. just maybe)

You are correct Vantage.

Let's put it this way. If you took AOL and made them a REAL isp and gave them all high-speed ethernet connections, what would that be like?

To have a bunch of simpletons unleashed on the raw internet. What would that be like?

I have no clique, I am just some over-opinionated kid with time to argue a point. I'm just sick of this Napster shit.



Dopeman

I don't know if anyone else here actually read the (long-ass!) manifesto that Courtney wrote up, but I was actually surprised by how articulate and thought-out it was... seems that she doesn't have much of an understanding of the fact that MP3s can be quite high-quality, tho...

i know Metallica is old news.. but check out http://www.campchaos.com/ anyways, funny new flash videos, including Motley Crue's view on napster

Courtney Love is one stupid whining bitch.
I can accept stupid people, you can't really
blame them, but at least realize you're so
fucking dumb and shut the fuck up. Geez.

2/100

I was in Suncoast Video the other day, talking about DVD's with a friend of mine, and the sales clerk came up and started talking about all of the wonders of DVD's. Somewhere in his stream of garbage, he said something to the effect of "and as soon as DVD's become more widespread, they'll drop in price a lot, since they're cheaper to manufacture."

DING DING DING!

Bells go off in my head. I'd remember hearing that same line when CD's first started appearing on the shelves. The $15-$20 price range will be replaced with $7 discs as soon as the manufacturing becomes cheaper, right?

We all know the rest of the story.

also, when i try to connect to an ip, they just dissapear after a while. they dont connect

gnutella doesn't work =/

when i search nothing comes up. i wait for like, two minutes and it doesnt do shit.

Reading that made me want to use Napster even more to spite the record companies. The gigs of mp3s shall flow like honey into the data banks of my computer.

I was waiting in line to buy a CD today in a local Best Buy store, and some middle aged man said to me, "What's the matter, couldn't find it on Napster?"

My reply: "Napster is a public tool for simple minded people to get a hold of popular music. I have already have this CD on Mp3, and I like it so much that I will support the Artist by buying it."

CD you asK? Dj Micro Tech Mix-2000 Mooshine records.
I like techno. sue me.


Dopeman
(not that this has to do with anything. but napster is getting to annoying.)

Nicky Burns;

Yes you are simple minded for using it, but it doesn't mean that its wrong. Fucking faggot.

Again, how do you think I got the CD before I bought it?
There are more L337 ways to apprehend Mp3's like through Gnutella and such, but for pure efficiency and speed I use Napster sometimes. That is all.

No need to get your panties in a wad.


Dopeman

This is all part of my master plan for you to all only be able to obtain music through legal channels (at $17 a pop by the way).

Also, no more good music. Only pre-fabricated, manufactured, injection molded, cookie cutter pop boy and girl bands.

Mwahahahahah.


-THE MAN
Keeping the little guy down for over 5,000 years of recorded history

The record industry: EVIL. Fuck'em. They screw the artists, they screw the consumers, they all get paid and we all get played.


Napster: It's all legal. They made a system that could have been used legitimately, but wasn't, and this was no fault of their own. It is impossible to tell if the music in an mp3 is somehow a violation of copyright. Filtering against filename is dumb for 2 reasons: 1. There is no central 'list' of copyrighted material available to reference. 2. Its nowhere near accurate enough; not only can you change a name to get around it, but you will catch stuff that has the same name but is being freely distributed. For instance, if you ban the word 'Metallica' what happens when I want to download a song called 'Metallica Sucks" by "Lars Hater"? Hrm.. thats not fair...


In short, a music sharing system like Napster "COULD NOT HAVE BEEN MADE" that would have pleased everyone.

If you think so, what could they have done smart guys?

Ok.. lets approach this a different way, what -exactly- did Napster do that was illegal? All you guys who seem to know everything can never answer that one can you?

Dopeman thinks we're all simple minded cause we use napster.

You are an ass

No. But I was wearing a shirt that said, "Limp" on it. And so they were looking at me funny anyways.

WTf.

Limp is a band.


Dopeman

Gnutella = r0xoR!

Dopeman
(likes that word)

yah pup is poop0r

A digital video and music distribution company plans to announce today that it will make its movies available as encrypted files on the Internet using the controversial Gnutella software, a company spokeswoman said on Tuesday.
...
``We believe that these kinds of distribution schemes will become increasingly common as the music and movie industries realize the kind of threat they are under,'' said Rob Enderle, an Internet industry analyst at Giga Information Group in Santa Clara.
- http://www.sjmercury.com/svtech/news/breaking/merc/docs/038459.htm

slowly but surely they're getting it. :)

jidar = dumb asshole

Thanks!

Now shut the fuck up

this napster doesnt workd with aol, so what is taht like , is ti like sharewarez